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  maskedweasel

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12/27/11 1:05:59 PM#41
Originally posted by Teala

Why so many 9's?  I can see more 7.5's and 8.0's, but 9's...::sigh::  That means you are saying the game is almost perfect.   I recall other high scores on this webiste for games, games that are either now dead or not doing so well, and all had way over the top scores.   What kind of message will you be sending the average gamer when you rate a game like SW:TOR that high.  It is missing basic features we find in MMO's today.   It is not as polished as people say it is.   It even has what some consider "game breaking" issues.  Yet...a 9 score.   ::shakes her head::  I am all for giving a game a good score, but I think the game should earn that score.  A 9 though.   SW:TOR is not a 9.  Not as it is right now.   It can attain a 9 if Bioware fixes what needs fixed.

Long term success depends on the longevity of a game and not how great the game is at any point and time.

 

Many people think MMOs are supposed to last for years and years,  but this isn't always the case, and shouldn't be the case.  A game can be great without having any extended longevity.

 

Good examples of this - adventure titles, like Sam and Max.. always had very high scores, even though you would only play through the game once, with only one real outcome.. yet they were widely popular and entertaining.

 

SWTOR is a good game -- a very good game - and the features that it is "missing" are nominal at best,  and what the game offers is more than substantial.  

 

The game is between an 8 and 9 .. which is pretty consistent with the average critic ratings right now...   players don't really count anymore.. they get to vote with their wallets,  they are vindictive, and spiteful, and couldn't be remotely even handed, and lets face it, the game is much better than even you give it credit for.    There are people out there right now giving the same kind of unwarranted hatred to games like Skyrim too..

 

One thing is for sure,  the game deserves the good ratings... and the roundtable proves exactly what has been shown.. out of a group of players.. 1 is bound to not like it....   

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  Honeymoon69

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12/27/11 1:11:10 PM#42
lol when they hit 50 with nothing to do they can always come back and reduce the score to 7/10 lol.
  Sector13

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12/27/11 1:11:28 PM#43
Originally posted by Shivam
Originally posted by StSynner
Originally posted by eric_w66

I've played both DCUO and Vindictus. Nothing new there. What makes them so special to you? DCUO is City of Heros is Champions Online (played them all). Vindictus is a VERY lame korean grinder with setpiece classes/characters. It's combat is skyrim/fallen earth like. Been there, done that too. GW2 looks like its another "aimed" system. Unoriginal and Bland. TERA same thing. Unoriginal and bland. See how you can apply that to any MMORPG out there? It's because it's all been done before. Hence, MY POINT. :D

if you think that TOR's combat system is anywhere CLOSE to the games i listed... then there is nothing I can say to you. lmao. your rabid fanboism has clouded your mind... seems BW has pulled the old Jedi mind trick on you, buddy.

had TOR utilized the same aiming system as either DCU or Vindictus... omg...

I would hate it. No offense but not everyone enjoyed DCUO combat that much. 

DCUO combat was unpolished mainly cause their targetting system barely worked properly as well but it could still be used as a base and improve on it to make it great.

  docwalker

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12/27/11 1:15:31 PM#44

Final score from a veteran using experience as my gauge.... I have played every big MMO there is from launch since 1999/2000 I am a Gamespy Founding Member. Thats how experienced I am.....








4/10 It needs to improve a lot and increase its longevity of a matter of urgency.








 








p.s the space portion of the game?...... I'd delete it and start again, without the emphasis on 3d space invaders...











 




 

  JonnyBigBoss

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12/27/11 1:19:14 PM#45

Danny walked in expecting the game to be the messiah. I think his comments are way off balance.


  Kyleran

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12/27/11 1:20:49 PM#46
Originally posted by Teala

Why so many 9's?  I can see more 7.5's and 8.0's, but 9's...::sigh::  That means you are saying the game is almost perfect.   I recall other high scores on this webiste for games, games that are either now dead or not doing so well, and all had way over the top scores.   What kind of message will you be sending the average gamer when you rate a game like SW:TOR that high.  It is missing basic features we find in MMO's today.   It is not as polished as people say it is.   It even has what some consider "game breaking" issues.  Yet...a 9 score.   ::shakes her head::  I am all for giving a game a good score, but I think the game should earn that score.  A 9 though.   SW:TOR is not a 9.  Not as it is right now.   It can attain a 9 if Bioware fixes what needs fixed.

Exactly my thoughts as well, no game launches at a 9/10, heck in the history of all MMORPG's none have reached 9.0 by my grading scale, because like you pointed out, that implies near perfection, and there's no way this title is at that level. 

One day it might get close I'm sure, but anything above an 8.x is being disingenous at best, or seen through starry eyed new and shiny goggles.

 

 

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  Mynsc

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12/27/11 1:21:27 PM#47

Completely agree with Danny Wojcicki and it was refreshing to see one of the staff share this view. Disappointed thought that he was the only one... would have expected higher standards from the staff of one of the biggest MMO news sites.


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  Teala

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12/27/11 1:22:02 PM#48
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by Teala

Why so many 9's?  I can see more 7.5's and 8.0's, but 9's...::sigh::  That means you are saying the game is almost perfect.   I recall other high scores on this webiste for games, games that are either now dead or not doing so well, and all had way over the top scores.   What kind of message will you be sending the average gamer when you rate a game like SW:TOR that high.  It is missing basic features we find in MMO's today.   It is not as polished as people say it is.   It even has what some consider "game breaking" issues.  Yet...a 9 score.   ::shakes her head::  I am all for giving a game a good score, but I think the game should earn that score.  A 9 though.   SW:TOR is not a 9.  Not as it is right now.   It can attain a 9 if Bioware fixes what needs fixed.

Long term success depends on the longevity of a game and not how great the game is at any point and time.

 

Many people think MMOs are supposed to last for years and years,  but this isn't always the case, and shouldn't be the case.  A game can be great without having any extended longevity.

 

Good examples of this - adventure titles, like Sam and Max.. always had very high scores, even though you would only play through the game once, with only one real outcome.. yet they were widely popular and entertaining.

 

SWTOR is a good game -- a very good game - and the features that it is "missing" are nominal at best,  and what the game offers is more than substantial.  

 

The game is between an 8 and 9 .. which is pretty consistent with the average critic ratings right now...   players don't really count anymore.. they get to vote with their wallets,  they are vindictive, and spiteful, and couldn't be remotely even handed, and lets face it, the game is much better than even you give it credit for.    There are people out there right now giving the same kind of unwarranted hatred to games like Skyrim too..

 

One thing is for sure,  the game deserves the good ratings... and the roundtable proves exactly what has been shown.. out of a group of players.. 1 is bound to not like it....   

I am all for giving a game a good score, if they are worthy of it.  BTW I really wish people would stop saying I hate this game, I don't.   I have never hated this game, I am just disappointed and frustrated with it...because I want to love this game and I want it to succeed big time.   If I come across as being critical of the game it's because I think in many areas Bioware missed a huge opportunity to make the game better than it is right now and some of the issues that were in beta should have never made it live.    That doesn't mean I hate it. 

Back to the topic though, if people think this game deserves a 7 or an 8, hey I am ok with that.   At least that implies the game is not perfect and needs some work.    Giving it a 9 though is pretty much saying, game is perfect...when it is not.   It can attain a 9 - but I cannot honestly see how anyone - professional critic or not - can give it a 9.

  Puremallace

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12/27/11 1:25:30 PM#49

huh I sort of expected mmorpg to be more critical. One can only hope Mike B has actually been playing the game. Talk about serious double standards in the genre if TOR gets a free pass on so many things missing from a mmo launch.


 


These are the types of reviews that come back to haunt sites like this in a year.


  Kyleran

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12/27/11 1:27:19 PM#50
Originally posted by Mynsc

Completely agree with Danny Wojcicki and it was refreshing to see one of the staff share this view. Disappointed thought that he was the only one... would have expected higher standards from the staff of one of the biggest MMO news sites.

Well, no, by and large the staff at MMORPG are happy to play standard theme park MMORPG's and SWTOR is the next great step in that evolutionary chain, not surprising at all that they would favor the title, perhaps a bit more than they should have.

 

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  PyrateLV

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12/27/11 1:27:24 PM#51

Originally posted by Agricola1

Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



 


LOL Danny Wojcicki is the ONLY one that at least has an non-bias opinion. Everyone else is a Fanbot. Any "professional" reviewer that gave SWTOR anything beyond a 7 should just stop reviewing games because its obvious where your loyalty lies (in the pocket of whatever Dev Company has the newest shiney game out).


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  maskedweasel

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12/27/11 1:29:10 PM#52
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by Teala

 

I am all for giving a game a good score, if they are worthy of it.  BTW I really wish people would stop saying I hate this game, I don't.   I have never hated this game, I am just disappointed and frustrated with it...because I want to love this game and I want it to succeed big time.   If I come across as being critical of the game it's because I think in many areas Bioware missed a huge opportunity to make the game better than it is right now and some of the issues that were in beta should have never made it live.    That doesn't mean I hate it. 

Back to the topic though, if people think this game deserves a 7 or an 8, hey I am ok with that.   At least that implies the game is not perfect and needs some work.    Giving it a 9 though is pretty much saying, game is perfect...when it is not.   It can attain a 9 - but I cannot honestly see how anyone - professional critic or not - can give it a 9.

I didn't mean to imply you specifically hated the title,  I know that you are critical of it,  but I also know that what you are looking for isn't SWTOR,  you are looking for a virtual world Teala,  SWTOR isn't a great virtual world.. its a great GAME, theres a big difference.  Is that a missed opportunity?  In comparison with SWG, yes.. because SWG was a virtual universe..  that is not in the scope of SWTOR.

 

9 is saying the game is near perfect... and it may be unfortunate, but if you want to grade the game on a curve, SWTOR is really the best you're going to get.. relatively low queue times, low instances of crashing or player issues,  and as always the most vocal on the forums are always the minority of the population.   Really, how many launches have gone better?  How many games have had these few issues?

 

How many games in the last 3 years didn't launch with a day 1 patch that was completely counterproductive to the launch cycle... every day 1 patch I've ever seen created more problems then they fixed.   SWTOR played very safely here, and one of the benefits of that is the polish and sheen we see on the content.  Sure, I've crashed a few times, and I find some aspects of the game frustrating,  but overall I'm having a great time.  an 8.5 would be my personal score... whats .5 points in that scope?

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  Puremallace

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12/27/11 1:29:59 PM#53
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Agricola1

Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



 

LOL Danny Wojcicki is the ONLY one that at least has an non-bias opinion. Everyone else is a Fanbot. Any "professional" reviewer that gave SWTOR anything beyond a 7 should just stop reviewing games because its obvious where your loyalty lies (in the pocket of whatever Dev Company has the newest shiney game out).

well considering negative reviews are getting real life threats placed I can see why they are scared

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/12/27/the-soapbox-adding-story-to-swtor/

^ entire comments deleted threatening the reviewer

 

Teala you said the squirrels in Rift did not have life like enough animations for you. You want to sit here and tell me this game rates a 8 or 9 seriously? Like I said Bioware gets a free pass because everyone wants KOTOR 3 to succeed.

  StSynner

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12/27/11 1:38:56 PM#54
Originally posted by Shivam
Originally posted by StSynner
Originally posted by eric_w66

I've played both DCUO and Vindictus. Nothing new there. What makes them so special to you? DCUO is City of Heros is Champions Online (played them all). Vindictus is a VERY lame korean grinder with setpiece classes/characters. It's combat is skyrim/fallen earth like. Been there, done that too. GW2 looks like its another "aimed" system. Unoriginal and Bland. TERA same thing. Unoriginal and bland. See how you can apply that to any MMORPG out there? It's because it's all been done before. Hence, MY POINT. :D

if you think that TOR's combat system is anywhere CLOSE to the games i listed... then there is nothing I can say to you. lmao. your rabid fanboism has clouded your mind... seems BW has pulled the old Jedi mind trick on you, buddy.

had TOR utilized the same aiming system as either DCU or Vindictus... omg...

I would hate it. No offense but not everyone enjoyed DCUO combat that much. 

 
Understandable. I knew quite a few people that didn’t "get it" that you had to dodge and block to win a fight. To a player that is used to your normal tab target MMO... DCU was like a shock to the system. I can only imagine how TOR would handle the same system.
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12/27/11 1:39:06 PM#55
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Originally posted by Teala

 

I am all for giving a game a good score, if they are worthy of it.  BTW I really wish people would stop saying I hate this game, I don't.   I have never hated this game, I am just disappointed and frustrated with it...because I want to love this game and I want it to succeed big time.   If I come across as being critical of the game it's because I think in many areas Bioware missed a huge opportunity to make the game better than it is right now and some of the issues that were in beta should have never made it live.    That doesn't mean I hate it. 

Back to the topic though, if people think this game deserves a 7 or an 8, hey I am ok with that.   At least that implies the game is not perfect and needs some work.    Giving it a 9 though is pretty much saying, game is perfect...when it is not.   It can attain a 9 - but I cannot honestly see how anyone - professional critic or not - can give it a 9.

I didn't mean to imply you specifically hated the title,  I know that you are critical of it,  but I also know that what you are looking for isn't SWTOR,  you are looking for a virtual world Teala,  SWTOR isn't a great virtual world.. its a great GAME, theres a big difference.  Is that a missed opportunity?  In comparison with SWG, yes.. because SWG was a virtual universe..  that is not in the scope of SWTOR.

 

9 is saying the game is near perfect... and it may be unfortunate, but if you want to grade the game on a curve, SWTOR is really the best you're going to get.. relatively low queue times, low instances of crashing or player issues,  and as always the most vocal on the forums are always the minority of the population.   Really, how many launches have gone better?  How many games have had these few issues?

 

How many games in the last 3 years didn't launch with a day 1 patch that was completely counterproductive to the launch cycle... every day 1 patch I've ever seen created more problems then they fixed.   SWTOR played very safely here, and one of the benefits of that is the polish and sheen we see on the content.  Sure, I've crashed a few times, and I find some aspects of the game frustrating,  but overall I'm having a great time.  an 8.5 would be my personal score... whats .5 points in that scope?


I don't grade games based solely on a good launch.   As for me wanting a virtual world, I play WoW, it is not a  sandbox game.    I just want a good game.   A game that launches with the basic bells and whistles.   Bioware had 8 years of work done for them on what makes a good themepark game - its called WoW.   All the work was done for them.   Bioware claimed they used WoW as their model to make their game...yet I am not seeing it.   Couldn't they have at least gave us more robust UI customizable by the players?  What about something as simple as adding more "world" to the "worlds" - no wind, no rain, no night and day cycles, no weird creepy crawlies or birds?   What about high res graphic textures, not just for cutscenes, but for the whole game(they were in beta when I was testing it), but now they are gone?   The list can get longer...and we shouldn't be making a list like this...this is basic stuff.  

So do you see my point?   I can see people being a little less critical and giving the game a 7 or 8, but a 9 score is not warranted.   If you cannot see my point, I guess we're just going to have to agree that we disagree.

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12/27/11 1:43:49 PM#56
Originally posted by Puremallace
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Agricola1

Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



 

LOL Danny Wojcicki is the ONLY one that at least has an non-bias opinion. Everyone else is a Fanbot. Any "professional" reviewer that gave SWTOR anything beyond a 7 should just stop reviewing games because its obvious where your loyalty lies (in the pocket of whatever Dev Company has the newest shiney game out).

well considering negative reviews are getting real life threats placed I can see why they are scared

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/12/27/the-soapbox-adding-story-to-swtor/

^ entire comments deleted threatening the reviewer

 

Teala you said the squirrels in Rift did not have life like enough animations for you. You want to sit here and tell me this game rates a 8 or 9 seriously? Like I said Bioware gets a free pass because everyone wants KOTOR 3 to succeed.

Oh hell no...lol...I think you are thinking of a different Teala.    I rated the game a 5!  Too many basic bells and whistles missing for me, and the worlds are way too linear, lifeless, poor MOB AI,.... OMG, me think the game gets a 8 or 9?   LOL...it will take a miracle patch from Bioware to get me to rate this game an 8 - let alone a 9!

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12/27/11 1:46:14 PM#57
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Puremallace
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Agricola1

Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



 

LOL Danny Wojcicki is the ONLY one that at least has an non-bias opinion. Everyone else is a Fanbot. Any "professional" reviewer that gave SWTOR anything beyond a 7 should just stop reviewing games because its obvious where your loyalty lies (in the pocket of whatever Dev Company has the newest shiney game out).

well considering negative reviews are getting real life threats placed I can see why they are scared

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/12/27/the-soapbox-adding-story-to-swtor/

^ entire comments deleted threatening the reviewer

 

Teala you said the squirrels in Rift did not have life like enough animations for you. You want to sit here and tell me this game rates a 8 or 9 seriously? Like I said Bioware gets a free pass because everyone wants KOTOR 3 to succeed.

Oh hell no...lol...I think you are thinking of a different Teala.    I rated the game a 5!  Too many basic bells and whistles missing for me, and the worlds are way too linear, lifeless, poor MOB AI,.... OMG, me think the game gets a 8 or 9?   LOL...it will take a miracle patch from Bioware to get me to rate this game an 8 - let alone a 9!

You have to actually play the game first extensively to rate it otherwise who would take your review seriously? you haven't even played the game yet have you?

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12/27/11 1:47:55 PM#58
Originally posted by Teala

Oh hell no...lol...I think you are thinking of a different Teala.    I rated the game a 5!  Too many basic bells and whistles missing for me, and the worlds are way too linear, lifeless, poor MOB AI,.... OMG, me think the game gets a 8 or 9?   LOL...it will take a miracle patch from Bioware to get me to rate this game an 8 - let alone a 9!

opps guess I read that wrong. I vote 6-7 because it is not complete and the pvp is just making people rage. I do not see Mike B's score coming out any higher. The pve side is way more healthy then the pvp side, but by the time Mike B. reviews it has been a month and he is not scared to be critical.

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12/27/11 1:50:35 PM#59
Originally posted by Shivam
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Puremallace
Originally posted by PyrateLV

Originally posted by Agricola1

Agree with you guys except for the grinch Danny Wojcicki, I think the rest of the MMORPG.com staff need to gang up and shove the coffee machine up his backside then order a double exspresso! I bet he rolled on a PvP server as republic and got raped as soon as he hit tatooine then uninstalled and sat with an upset face all Christmas in the dark listening to Leonard Cohen records!



 

LOL Danny Wojcicki is the ONLY one that at least has an non-bias opinion. Everyone else is a Fanbot. Any "professional" reviewer that gave SWTOR anything beyond a 7 should just stop reviewing games because its obvious where your loyalty lies (in the pocket of whatever Dev Company has the newest shiney game out).

well considering negative reviews are getting real life threats placed I can see why they are scared

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/12/27/the-soapbox-adding-story-to-swtor/

^ entire comments deleted threatening the reviewer

 

Teala you said the squirrels in Rift did not have life like enough animations for you. You want to sit here and tell me this game rates a 8 or 9 seriously? Like I said Bioware gets a free pass because everyone wants KOTOR 3 to succeed.

Oh hell no...lol...I think you are thinking of a different Teala.    I rated the game a 5!  Too many basic bells and whistles missing for me, and the worlds are way too linear, lifeless, poor MOB AI,.... OMG, me think the game gets a 8 or 9?   LOL...it will take a miracle patch from Bioware to get me to rate this game an 8 - let alone a 9!

You have to actually play the game first extensively to rate it otherwise who would take your review seriously? you haven't even played the game yet have you?


I am not your a-typical reviewer.  Sorry, I do not rate grades simply based on fun factor or if they had a good launch or if this one class was fun to play.  I grade a whole game - everything....I do not give game companies a free ride.

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12/27/11 1:51:39 PM#60
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by maskedweasel
 


I don't grade games based solely on a good launch.   As for me wanting a virtual world, I play WoW, it is not a  sandbox game.    I just want a good game.   A game that launches with the basic bells and whistles.   Bioware had 8 years of work done for them on what makes a good themepark game - its called WoW.   All the work was done for them.   Bioware claimed they used WoW as their model to make their game...yet I am not seeing it.   Couldn't they have at least gave us more robust UI customizable by the players?  What about something as simple as adding more "world" to the "worlds" - no wind, no rain, no night and day cycles, no weird creepy crawlies or birds?   What about high res graphic textures, not just for cutscenes, but for the whole game(they were in beta when I was testing it), but now they are gone?   The list can get longer...and we shouldn't be making a list like this...this is basic stuff.  

So do you see my point?   I can see people being a little less critical and giving the game a 7 or 8, but a 9 score is not warranted.   If you cannot see my point, I guess we're just going to have to agree that we disagree.

But you again, miss the point,  wind, rain, night and day have no bearing on playability,  they are aesthetic.  As are high res graphic textures (which they have, but not on everything for some reason).   UI customization I agree with,  they do need better customization there,  but these are very minor, nitpicky things.

 

Would you rather have wind, rain, birds, and a moon every 4 hours... or 3 warzones to play instead of 2.  

 

In a perfect world, we could have everything in the game that we want, and infinite amounts of time to create said game without people getting frustrated it was taking too long, or investors complaining they have yet to see a return,  but this isn't a perfect world.  They've already mentioned customizable UI is incoming,  as well as AA and graphical enhancements.  

 

The foundation is rock solid, and the game is playable and enjoyable.  No game has come close to the amount of content and polish in all aspects as SWTOR has... so why shouldn't it get a high rating?  Because we can't watch the sunrise?

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