Very nice summary. I am thoroughly enjoying the game!

And...be easy on Vette.

Straws, they're for grasping.

Originally posted by jpnole

 

SWTOR has received a lot of criticism for supposedly copying other MMOs. Well here are SWTOR MMO innovations that can't be found in the rest of the AAA MMO field:

 

1) Any already found binding location can be selected when using the 30 min cool down fast travel - opposed to the industry standard of making you pick a single location to be bound to. (Guildwars)

 

2) Anyone can rez their allies! No need to be a healer (all other MMOs) or have a purple rez in your inventory (CoH) - and no, GW2 isn't out yet! (Guildwars)

 

3) Permanently upgradeable gear - you can keep the same lightsaber all game if you like, just upgrade it's parts. Same goes for all types of weapons and armor. (Would this be similar to masking an items appearnace? If so plenty of games let you use level 1 gear that has the stat of BiS gear)

 

4) Fully voiced with excellent voice acting! (Okay)

 

5) Decisions put you on the spot from a moral stand point. Do you kill the NPC or let them live? Don't tell me you haven't sat there for 10 or 15 seconds on occasion trying to decide an NPCs fate. (Plenty of games have had situations where you make decisions that effect portions of your gameplay)

 

6) Decisions affect your character. Do bad things and your character will start to look evil over time. Your crew members will judge you too! (City of Heroes touched base on morality a long time ago)

 

7) The coolest mounts you've ever seen! They are actually mechanical and don't revolve around fantasy beasts. (You must be trolling, is SWTOR now officially the first sci fi MMO? Btw the word you're looking for is vehicle)

 

8) Player housing in the form of an upgradeable space ship complete with space combat. Yes Lotro has housing but it's not nearly as cool and the rest of the AAA field does not! I'd almost allow STO in here but those "ship bridges" are pretty weak. (Player housing is not new and you even admitted it yourself, too add some more to your list, Phantasy Star Universe, and SWG)

 

9) 17 planets so far - who knows how many they will have? (Do you even know what innovative means?)

 

10) Crafting/Professions are beneath you - order your subordinates to do it for you! (This is actually decent)

 

11) Engaging story which is told to you and experienced in cinematic form. (If I don't see a sith warrior rip out Trandoshan's heart out and then eat it, then I wont be convinced that this story is engaging)

 

12) Smoothest launch in MMO history. (Nope, Hello Kitty Online had an incredibly smooth launch)

 

13) If you die in the main game world, you can rez on the spot - no more ghost runs! Only punishment is a short timer and a durability hit. (I'm on the fence with this one, neither innovative nor a direct rip from WoW, I just see it as death, every mmo I've played has death.)

 

 

I could go on but I have to get back in game and make sure Vette is doing as I asked. She better be if she doesn't want another shock!

 

I'll add more when I have more time. Please contribute innovations you have experienced in SWTOR!

This is just me bringing you down to Earth, enjoy.

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Straws, they're for grasping.

These are facts, not straws.

I don't hate SWToR or anything...but that list is more of features not inovations. I suppose the deffinition of inovative is debateable, but I'd consider it to be something much more gamechanging then your list. The only one I agree with is the voice acting, thats a game changer.

A smooth launch is not an inovation...housing has been done alot..."cool" mounts aren't and inovation...etc.

And again I have nothing against SWToR...just this list.

Originally posted by jpnole

 

SWTOR has received a lot of criticism for supposedly copying other MMOs. Well here are SWTOR MMO innovations that can't be found in the rest of the AAA MMO field:

 

1) Any already found binding location can be selected when using the 30 min cool down fast travel - opposed to the industry standard of making you pick a single location to be bound to.

 

2) Anyone can rez their allies! No need to be a healer (all other MMOs) or have a purple rez in your inventory (CoH) - and no, GW2 isn't out yet!

 

3) Permanently upgradeable gear - you can keep the same lightsaber all game if you like, just upgrade it's parts. Same goes for all types of weapons and armor.

 

4) Fully voiced with excellent voice acting!

 

5) Decisions put you on the spot from a moral stand point. Do you kill the NPC or let them live? Don't tell me you haven't sat there for 10 or 15 seconds on occasion trying to decide an NPCs fate.

 

6) Decisions affect your character. Do bad things and your character will start to look evil over time. Your crew members will judge you too!

 

7) The coolest mounts you've ever seen! They are actually mechanical and don't revolve around fantasy beasts.

 

8) Player housing in the form of an upgradeable space ship complete with space combat. Yes Lotro has housing but it's not nearly as cool and the rest of the AAA field does not! I'd almost allow STO in here but those "ship bridges" are pretty weak.

 

9) 17 planets so far - who knows how many they will have?

 

10) Crafting/Professions are beneath you - order your subordinates to do it for you!

 

11) Engaging story which is told to you and experienced in cinematic form.

 

12) Smoothest launch in MMO history.

 

13) If you die in the main game world, you can rez on the spot - no more ghost runs! Only punishment is a short timer and a durability hit.

 

 

I could go on but I have to get back in game and make sure Vette is doing as I asked. She better be if she doesn't want another shock!

 

I'll add more when I have more time. Please contribute innovations you have experienced in SWTOR!

You are clearly enjoying the game and while I dont hate it I would like to refute some of what you said.

1) has actually been done before.

3) has been done before.

4) Fuly voiced yes its a first. But AoC had the main character storline fully voiced from day 1 and the entire starter area npc's were voiced and more voices have been added over time.

5) has been done before.

7) been done before, you are just listing Aesthetics.

8) been done before, you are just listing Aesthetics.

11) been done before.

12) very debatable.....

13) been done before.

Originally posted by jpnole

Originally posted by PukeBucket

Straws, they're for grasping.

These are facts, not straws.

They may be facts, but that doesn't mean they are good.

Guild Wars had both your top points. Guild Wars is actually often known BECAUSE it had map travel and open ressurection.

For instance, 17 planets does not mean anything. The planets aren't actual planets... not even close. Breaking a massive land into 17 smaller masses does not equate to innovation.

It is not a fact that SWTOR has the coolest mounts ever.

Having NPC's craft for you was also done in Guild Wars, just not as polished. A true master would have his minions clear dungeons... should SWTOR make it so that your companions clear dungeons for you? Removing an aspect of the game is not innovatitve.

The launch was not the smoothest either...

I give you the voice overs, which is a really nice touch. I also give you the engaging story and choices. Both of these alone are what keeps me playing.

If i were gonna list invotions in tor, Id start with story telling, No mmo has the depth of story tor has. Not the way its dont or the way your choices affect it.

Companions would be number 2 , they arent just pets  they are so much more then a simple pet , They are almost like another character . The interactions u have with them are something thats never been done in an mmo

there take on crafting is unique and innovative. Crew skills go way beyond the nomral crafting u get in most mmo, while its not as indepth as swg, or some othrs its a unique take on it.

Id also say that they way they do questing while not innovative , does get rid of most of the grind, I actually wanna doe quests for more then xp, 

Sure combat is similar to most mmos but its one diffrence is u usually arent going 1 on 1 but 1 on 3 or more. 

The mechanics are basic mmos fare but the things they do diffrent make ti seem like so much more to me. 

Im not gonna say its the most innovative game on the market, id say right now thats rift and maybe gw2 will prove to have more innovation then ive see so far 

that said people claim dynamic events in gw2 are innovative when rift beat them to it, They claim combat with dodge is innovative when tera beat them to it, So i guess fans will claim stuff is innovative even if it isnt

Im a huge tor an but while mos stuff is standard mmo fare they do some things diffrent and are innovative in certain things. 

Originally posted by kalinis

If i were gonna list invotions in tor, Id start with story telling, No mmo has the depth of story tor has. Not the way its dont or the way your choices affect it.

Companions would be number 2 , they arent just pets  they are so much more then a simple pet , They are almost like another character . The interactions u have with them are something thats never been done in an mmo

there take on crafting is unique and innovative. Crew skills go way beyond the nomral crafting u get in most mmo, while its not as indepth as swg, or some othrs its a unique take on it.

Id also say that they way they do questing while not innovative , does get rid of most of the grind, I actually wanna doe quests for more then xp, 

Sure combat is similar to most mmos but its one diffrence is u usually arent going 1 on 1 but 1 on 3 or more. 

The mechanics are basic mmos fare but the things they do diffrent make ti seem like so much more to me. 

Im not gonna say its the most innovative game on the market, id say right now thats rift and maybe gw2 will prove to have more innovation then ive see so far 

that said people claim dynamic events in gw2 are innovative when rift beat them to it, They claim combat with dodge is innovative when tera beat them to it, So i guess fans will claim stuff is innovative even if it isnt

Im a huge tor an but while mos stuff is standard mmo fare they do some things diffrent and are innovative in certain things. 

Good god, It took me 5 minutes to read that, and re-read that, and then read it out loud over Ventrilo. If it matters any, my friend is making his Vindictus motto, "Im a huge tor an but while most stuff".

Also if it matters any to you, Guildwars had projectile physics, but you had to physically move your character out of the way, there was no active dodge key.

Originally posted by kalinis

If i were gonna list invotions in tor, Id start with story telling, No mmo has the depth of story tor has. Not the way its dont or the way your choices affect it.

Companions would be number 2 , they arent just pets  they are so much more then a simple pet , They are almost like another character . The interactions u have with them are something thats never been done in an mmo

there take on crafting is unique and innovative. Crew skills go way beyond the nomral crafting u get in most mmo, while its not as indepth as swg, or some othrs its a unique take on it.

Why is it everything you listed as a positive I see as removing the M from MMO? Crew skills turns crafting into a lobby based game. Story is all about you with noone else helping and once you get to 50 it ends. It does not continue it just ends and the dailies start.

These are more like "tweaks" to your standard mmo rather than true innovation. I mean the couple about story and companions is innovative, but really this isnt ground breaking. I dont exactly hate the game or have any intention of playing, but considering the money gone into the game, it seems like a waste when another studio could have taken those resources and made something truly creative and thats what i find disapointing about a game like this being released in a time where we've already played this mmo in a hundred different forms before it. Atleast some people are getting some fun out of it.

Originally posted by moosecatlol

Originally posted by kalinis

If i were gonna list invotions in tor, Id start with story telling, No mmo has the depth of story tor has. Not the way its dont or the way your choices affect it.

Companions would be number 2 , they arent just pets  they are so much more then a simple pet , They are almost like another character . The interactions u have with them are something thats never been done in an mmo

there take on crafting is unique and innovative. Crew skills go way beyond the nomral crafting u get in most mmo, while its not as indepth as swg, or some othrs its a unique take on it.

Id also say that they way they do questing while not innovative , does get rid of most of the grind, I actually wanna doe quests for more then xp, 

Sure combat is similar to most mmos but its one diffrence is u usually arent going 1 on 1 but 1 on 3 or more. 

The mechanics are basic mmos fare but the things they do diffrent make ti seem like so much more to me. 

Im not gonna say its the most innovative game on the market, id say right now thats rift and maybe gw2 will prove to have more innovation then ive see so far 

that said people claim dynamic events in gw2 are innovative when rift beat them to it, They claim combat with dodge is innovative when tera beat them to it, So i guess fans will claim stuff is innovative even if it isnt

Im a huge tor an but while mos stuff is standard mmo fare they do some things diffrent and are innovative in certain things. 

Good god, It took me 5 minutes to read that, and re-read that, and then read it out loud over Ventrilo. If it matters any, my friend is making his Vindictus motto, "Im a huge tor an but while most stuff".

Also if it matters any to you, Guildwars had projectile physics, but you had to physically move your character out of the way, there was no active dodge key.

Asherons Call did active dodging hmmm 1999 was it ............just  sayin

Originally posted by jpnole

 

SWTOR has received a lot of criticism for supposedly copying other MMOs. Well here are SWTOR MMO innovations that can't be found in the rest of the AAA MMO field:

 

1) Any already found binding location can be selected when using the 30 min cool down fast travel - opposed to the industry standard of making you pick a single location to be bound to.

 

Cool...but for world PvP it is not so good.

 

2) Anyone can rez their allies! No need to be a healer (all other MMOs) or have a purple rez in your inventory (CoH) - and no, GW2 isn't out yet!

 

Cool...not game defining, but cool.

 

3) Permanently upgradeable gear - you can keep the same lightsaber all game if you like, just upgrade it's parts. Same goes for all types of weapons and armor.

 

This is awesome - totally agree - Bioware got it right, just like Asheron's Call...a game from 1999, and now World of Warcraft 2011.  So no not innovative, but I am glad Bioware has it in there game.  :)

 

4) Fully voiced with excellent voice acting!

 

Meh...I think this is subjective.

 

5) Decisions put you on the spot from a moral stand point. Do you kill the NPC or let them live? Don't tell me you haven't sat there for 10 or 15 seconds on occasion trying to decide an NPCs fate.

 

This is cool...but it really doesn't have an overall impact on your characters standing with the world.   Again subjective in the full terms of the game.

 

6) Decisions affect your character. Do bad things and your character will start to look evil over time. Your crew members will judge you too!

 

This would be cool if it really did have an impact, especially with companions.  Sure it changes your appearance of you go darkside, and it can impact certain items on whether you can use them or not to some extant.  But back to companions...it doesn't do anything.   You can treat them like dirt and they will always be there for you.  It would have been better if they might, you know, actually abondon you and force you to go hire another...no that would have been cool.

 

7) The coolest mounts you've ever seen! They are actually mechanical and don't revolve around fantasy beasts.

 

Subjective.  My mossy green cupa from SWG was my all time favorite in an MMORPG.  

 

8) Player housing in the form of an upgradeable space ship complete with space combat. Yes Lotro has housing but it's not nearly as cool and the rest of the AAA field does not! I'd almost allow STO in here but those "ship bridges" are pretty weak.

 

Cool they let you have a ship.   No choice on which ship you can get.   It would have been better if they had more choices.   Oh and do not tell me they couldn't put in more.  They are just objects  with textures and enteriors are instances with trigger points to active stuff.   I can build 3D ships in a 3d program, texture it and load it into games like M&B in a few days.   I am not impressed with BW guys.   Space combat is on rails and is about as good as Star Wars Clone Wars Adventures Starfighter game...in fact they play very alike and it is a browser game. 

 

9) 17 planets so far - who knows how many they will have?

 

Cool...unfortunately most become moot once you have outleveled them.   Nothing to do on them or any reason to go back to them.  

 

10) Crafting/Professions are beneath you - order your subordinates to do it for you!

 

This is cool...I do like this aspect of the game.

 

11) Engaging story which is told to you and experienced in cinematic form.

 

Subjective.

 

12) Smoothest launch in MMO history.

 

Subjective, because others would totally disagree with you on this point.

 

13) If you die in the main game world, you can rez on the spot - no more ghost runs! Only punishment is a short timer and a durability hit.

 

Easy mode.   Let's take more challenge out of a game.

 

 

I could go on but I have to get back in game and make sure Vette is doing as I asked. She better be if she doesn't want another shock!

 

Please do...this is fun.   :)

 

I'll add more when I have more time. Please contribute innovations you have experienced in SWTOR!

I do like your list, but I think you are trying too hard to hype up the game.  

Why do people not know what innovative means...... It means something new.

Im still on the fence about a fully VO game being innovative. VO's have been around for a long time. Its just bioware took the time and spent the money in developing it to full VO's.