Originally posted by Fext

Originally posted by NMStudio

I'm wondering if some of this confusion is coming from console fans of ME and DA who have never dealt with an MMO subscription before...  That's a possibility I guess.

Not really. It comes from people who dealt with games like WOW, AoC, LOTRO etc.

WoW required payment info when I created my account in 2004, 

AoC and LOTRO are both F2P games...LOTRO required payment info when it was P2P.

Originally posted by kishe

So you're trying to make your case with two F2P games and one free trial game?

 

You do realise 99,9% of P2P games do it same way as swtor did so would you please stop making new accounts just to spam about same subject?

Sorry I just forgot to mention that I did play the two F2P games when they were not F2P, and for the free trial, how does it apply to this situation? I just bought the game and I had the gametime which comes with the game purchase PLUS these 10 trial days as a bonus.

As much I dislike WOW I just like the way they treat their customers.

Originally posted by Windamere

Everyone got the surprise of their life this 12/22/2011 AM when they tried to log on without having a subscription plan in place.

First off, what's a "snaf-fu"? Do you mean "SNAFU"? Because what you just said is: Situation Normal All F*cked F*cked Up. You know, SNAFU is not some sort of martial art or talent tree in WoW's upcoming expansion. Please learn what something means before you use it improperly and spread stupidity to others over the internet.

Secondly, "surprise of their life"? Hyperbole much? Either that or someone needs to seriously get a life...

Anyway, I'm not even playing this game, but the spaz-level on these boards is off the charts and something must be done before people give themselves a brain hemorrhage! Then again, going into a coma might be an upgrade in mental capacity for some.

Originally posted by NMStudio

Originally posted by Fext

Originally posted by jairus

new to mmorpgs?

 

this is how they all work, just set up your sub plan then hit cancel.

Not really. At least WOW, AoC and LOTRO did not work that way. You can argue about AoC and LOTRO to be "major" MMOs but well WOW is WOW. 

WoW has been this way in the past, as was AoC.  Not sure about LOTRO. 

LotRO did it too, when it was subscription based.

As far as I remember this has been the case for every major sub based MMO. Still people are complaining and call they where cheated on every new sub based MMO.

Originally posted by kishe

Originally posted by Fext

Originally posted by NMStudio

I'm wondering if some of this confusion is coming from console fans of ME and DA who have never dealt with an MMO subscription before...  That's a possibility I guess.

Not really. It comes from people who dealt with games like WOW, AoC, LOTRO etc.

WoW required payment info when I created my account in 2004, 

 

AoC and LOTRO are both F2P games...LOTRO required payment info when it was P2P.

No, you are wrong. Well I don't know about WOW in 2004 since I started with it (and ended with it) this year but I did not need to enter my card number until the time I got with the game expired. I also played LOTRO before it went F2P and it was quite the same. In AoC I always used prepaid cards and also there was no problem with the time included in the game. I don't know what do you play to find this to be normal. 

Just tell me why do they need your cred card number in advance?

Usually they need a subscription to play. The issue comes if they don't let you play if you cancel your subscription right after. Just enter your info and delete it, just like all other MMos make you do.

Let me put it this way...

At release these games I played required you to subscribe before you could play at all, even if you had free game time.

Asheron's Call

Everquest

Everquest 2

Anarchy Online

Ultima Online

Matrix Online

Planetside

Saga of Ryzom

Star Wars Galaxies

Dungeons and Dragons Online

Lineage 2

EVE Online

Dark Age of Camelot

City of Heroes

Champions Online

Age of Conan

Aion

Lord of the Rings Online

I think there were others, but those are the one's I remember having to sub for to play at all when released.

Originally posted by kishe

Originally posted by Azaria

Originally posted by Derros

Pretty much every MMO requires you to set up a subscription before you start your first 30 free days.

Almost every mmorpg requires you to make a player account, not a payment plan, if you believe that you have not played many mmorpgs. Most mmorpgs allow you to play out of the box for the first month as long as you make an account in their system, not get on a required payment plan. Thats rediculous you even think that or would say that. Mandatory payment plans traditionally are the product of a crooked system trying to milk customers. At least in the mmo world, IF I say IF thats what is actually going on.

Apart from Eve, I haven't to date played ONE SINGLE P2P MMO that didnt require some sort of payment info when you make account...and I started with UO back in 98

Payment plans? I could see it if were talking about late 90s early 2000s when payment models were being worked with, but in the modern era? If they demand you get on a payment plan as apposed to a pay as you go plan something fishy is going on. Seriously if their going that deep into peoples pocket books this early they are trying to cover costs or make a fast profit.  WOW and EVE both do not require payment plan set ups on registration, neither does EQ one or anything by Sony Gpotato Funcom or any large publisher, I cant think of a game off hand that requires a billing account specifically.

Originally posted by Deivos

Let me put it this way...

 

At release these games I played required you to subscribe before you could play at all, even if you had free game time.

 

Asheron's Call

Everquest

Everquest 2

Anarchy Online

Ultima Online

Matrix Online

Planetside

Saga of Ryzom

Star Wars Galaxies

Dungeons and Dragons Online

Lineage 2

EVE Online

Dark Age of Camelot

City of Heroes

Champions Online

Age of Conan

Aion

Lord of the Rings Online

 

I think there were others, but those are the one's I remember having to sub for to play at all when released.

I played all of the games I marked in red and didn't have to do what you say you had to do.

Originally posted by Azaria

Originally posted by Deivos

Let me put it this way...

 

At release these games I played required you to subscribe before you could play at all, even if you had free game time.

 

Asheron's Call

Everquest

Everquest 2

Anarchy Online

Ultima Online

Matrix Online

Planetside

Saga of Ryzom

Star Wars Galaxies

Dungeons and Dragons Online

Lineage 2

EVE Online

Dark Age of Camelot

City of Heroes

Champions Online

Age of Conan

Aion

Lord of the Rings Online

 

I think there were others, but those are the one's I remember having to sub for to play at all when released.

I played all of the games I marked in red and didn't have to do what you say you had to do.

i know for a fact that you had to have a sub to play eq2 for the first 30 days. i remember because i asked the same question the OP is spouting off about. " WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE TO GIVE THEM MY CC INFO IF I ALREADY PAID FOR THE GAME WITH A FREE 30 DAYS?" i remembr screeming that into the phone with cusomer sevice lol. its just something you have to do to play. just do it.

Originally posted by Fext

No, you are wrong. Well I don't know about WOW in 2004 since I started with it (and ended with it) this year but I did not need to enter my card number until the time I got with the game expired. I also played LOTRO before it went F2P and it was quite the same. In AoC I always used prepaid cards and also there was no problem with the time included in the game. I don't know what do you play to find this to be normal. 

Just tell me why do they need your cred card number in advance?

Because chances are quite a lot of people will forget to unsubscribe and never check their credit card statement or will not care. A big hurdle in every business is to get the customer on a payment plan. once you got them you are halfway at the cash!

Still, for a casual game I would expect more leniency as i wonder how many kids will get a no when the parents learn they need a credit card. And does the EA page accept most cards now? As some UO players had troubles with setting up payment with EA.

On the other hand, everything that brings less customers to EA is good :P

Originally posted by Derros

Pretty much every MMO requires you to set up a subscription before you start your first 30 free days.

Actually WoW does not...
 hehe

You buy the game it comes with 30 days, you setup the account and off you go playing for 30 days. Do not need to subscribe on anything.

This must be one difference betweenthe two ;)

Then I have to ask when you played them Azaria, because like I said that was their nature at release. Not necessarily at later date.

Because, well, yeah.

I agree that all older games required a credit card.

But some years ago it changed when companies realized that they could get more potential players without asking for credit card first. Now not even UO needs a credit card for the trial :P

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by RizelStar
You sure this is accurate?
 
I have a feeling those playing will come and call you a liar...for the sake of SWTOR hopefully you are ha ha.

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It was pretty clearly stated in all the stuff I went through last night activating my game that I could not play without having a subscription plan in place. You get thirty days with your purchase, but to actually play the game you need a subscription plan setup or you need to have a game card registered.

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If thats the real case then its a SCAM ive never sinds 99 this experience where i bought a game 30 days free but als had fill in info on another 60days of game time to activate. Becouse as i understand you correctly you buy game but also need eather CC or gamecard and ive only seen the 60 days gamecards so they try CHARGE you for at least 90 DAYS or no play THATS IN MY BOOK SCAMMING. I think when this is real case you can SUE them, unless its mentioned when you bought the game in a deal where it says buy game for 60 bucks+60daysgamecard?

You can maybe after fill in your info with CC click cancel and then you canplay for 30days but if you do it with gamecard i doub you can get your money back from gamecard thats a stupid rule lol.

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Originally posted by Suraknar

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Originally posted by Derros
Pretty much every MMO requires you to set up a subscription before you start your first 30 free days.

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Actually WoW does not...
 hehe
You buy the game it comes with 30 days, you setup the account and off you go playing for 30 days. Do not need to subscribe on anything.
This must be one difference betweenthe two ;)

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This method was already introduced back in 2005 with WoW at least in europe.

Originally posted by forest-nl

 

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by RizelStar
You sure this is accurate?
 
I have a feeling those playing will come and call you a liar...for the sake of SWTOR hopefully you are ha ha.

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It was pretty clearly stated in all the stuff I went through last night activating my game that I could not play without having a subscription plan in place. You get thirty days with your purchase, but to actually play the game you need a subscription plan setup or you need to have a game card registered.

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If thats the real case then its a SCAM ive never sinds 99 this experience where i bought a game 30 days free but als had fill in info on another 60days of game time to activate. Becouse as i understand you correctly you buy game but also need eather CC or gamecard and ive only seen the 60 days gamecards so they try CHARGE you for at least 90 DAYS or no play THATS IN MY BOOK SCAMMING. I think when this is real case you can SUE them, unless its mentioned when you bought the game in a deal where it says buy game for 60 bucks+60daysgamecard?

You can maybe after fill in your info with CC click cancel and then you canplay for 30days but if you do it with gamecard i doub you can get your money back from gamecard thats a stupid rule lol.

It isn't a scam, and it isn't illegal. The game requires an active subscription, so requiring you to select a plan BEFORE playing so the subscription will auto-renew is perfectly legal, albeit annoying. Clicking "cancel subscription" is not that difficult. If you don't want to pay, don't.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1215364p1.html

Its not illigal but its not ordianry or ethical. This is highly out of the oridiary.

Originally posted by Azaria

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1215364p1.html

Its not illigal but its not ordianry or ethical. This is highly out of the oridiary.

Funny, the comments there are filled with  'That's normal.'

The article even says

'EA quickly points out that this is standard MMO business, and you will not actually be billed until your free 30 days are up, at which point, you can cancel the sub before your credit card is billed.'

XD 

Originally posted by Deivos

Originally posted by Azaria

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/1215364p1.html

Its not illigal but its not ordianry or ethical. This is highly out of the oridiary.

Funny, the comments there are filled with  'That's normal.'

 

The article even says

'EA quickly points out that this is standard MMO business, and you will not actually be billed until your free 30 days are up, at which point, you can cancel the sub before your credit card is billed.'

XD 

LOL no its not normal or standard, it's normal if you have never played an mmorpg in your entire life. then it's normal. You can cancel your subsription but to do that you have to cancel your payment plan and thus cancel your free 30 day trial. So you don't get a 30 day trial. No one does this, no one has done this.