that review was soggy!

Originally posted by FlawSGI

 I think it's really sad how the fans say that a vast majority of the bad opinions on TOR are coming from this site alone and how everywhere else it's been a smash hit. 

Yet when something is posted by outside and known sources, they find another reason to discredit the people that speak their opinions on what they have experienced. Like the game for what it is but let's not be delusional about the games glaring faults. There are plenty there and while some can be argued as only faults to a few, it seems like the major ones are shared by many. 

You may have a point if this video was worth watching, considering both fans and non-fans are blasting it, I'd say it's a fair assesment that this is just plain bad journalism.

Originally posted by Distopia

 

You may have a point if this video was worth watching, considering both fans and non-fans are blasting it, I'd say it's a fair assesment that this is just plain bad journalism.

Considering the article today about how GamePro is officially dead and everyone was fired, maybe it was a last gasp of misdirected nerd rage.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Distopia

 

You may have a point if this video was worth watching, considering both fans and non-fans are blasting it, I'd say it's a fair assesment that this is just plain bad journalism.

Considering the article today about how GamePro is officially dead and everyone was fired, maybe it was a last gasp of misdirected nerd rage.

You know, now that you mention it, I find it entirely plausible that this was a swan-song act of  trolling the entire MMO community.

But sometimes my tinfoil hat is on too tight.

Gamepros prime years are gone :( i remember buying gamepro back in the 90s and early 2000s. Too bad they are shutting down in 4 days for good (literally). 

As for this TOR review they said they hate story....lol why are you playing ToR in the first place then?

Originally posted by holifeet

 

Is it merely the last battle cry of those who don't want WoW to be back down with the masses as opposed to way out in front?

They're sitting in private cybercafes dicussing how best to sabotage the newcomer. "How do we make people think SWTOR is rubbish, Fred?" "We just write a load of crap on a forum somewhere and subvert them like a jedi, Bob." Boy, Fred, you're good."

Cant be. WOW is gonna lose all their subs to TOR, right? Cant be both ways.

Hey, my thread was there first! *shakes fist*

Anywhoo... first, I think they have a mixed opinion, certainly not ONLY bad. I shared some critique, some not. I could never get enough of the VO and story. But I know for some goal oriented gamers it will matter and had said so many times in the last year. This really should be no surprise.

We also all know that in most ways (alas!) SWTOR is a very old fashioned standard fare MMO. I see it as a lost chance. Just the lack of fauna, lack of animated things asf the entire topic of "sterile world" and tunnel-questing was mentioned by so many here and on the official forum, I think this critique is shared by lots of people.

Still, other things are great fun, like class stories, like companions. (Well, only they tend to stand on my loot...)

You don't have to share every critique, but it is apparent that a lot of WOW-inspired gamers WILL see it this way, like it or not. And also like it or not, I TOLD YOU SO. It is not *my* opinion in most parts. But by no means it should surprise us.

Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by Distopia

 

You may have a point if this video was worth watching, considering both fans and non-fans are blasting it, I'd say it's a fair assesment that this is just plain bad journalism.

Considering the article today about how GamePro is officially dead and everyone was fired, maybe it was a last gasp of misdirected nerd rage.

I really don't look at it that way. I think this just exemplifies why they are shutting down. As well as why many should follow suit in the world of gaming "journalism"( I use quotes because I don't even know if most of what we see can or should be considered journalism).  Be it positive or negative, most of todays gaming journalism does nothing in the way of passing along useful information.

Originally posted by Guileplayer

Gamepros prime years are gone :( i remember buying gamepro back in the 90s and early 2000s. Too bad they are shutting down in 4 days for good (literally). 

As for this TOR review they said they hate story....lol why are you playing ToR in the first place then?

 The vast majority of MMO players won't even read quest text, even if it is well written. BW is certainly not going to please everyone with this focus on story, then again, they don't need to. The GramPrp dudes and dudettes are really just your typical MMO players of which only a minority is more than only mildy interested in the story.

Ohh those faces in the video..those faces....

He sums it up nicely at 4:15

It's just not good enough

I'm sorry if I'm spoiled..but so hyped up and so expensive game SHOULD and NEED to offer more than a 6years old standart with lame story (dont gimme BS that the story is great, Planescape Torment had great story...u know...story with depth,existencial questions and philosophies, moral dichotomies of right/wrong kind/needed cruel/truthfull etc.)

oh and there's this thing - games are about playing, that's why GAMEPLAY should be the most important thing, not scenes and a cheesy story..there are movies  for that (and books! what a shock, right kids? )

Originally posted by Pigozz

He sums it up nicely at 4:15

It's just not good enough

I'm sorry if I'm spoiled..but so hyped up and so expensive game SHOULD and NEED to offer more than a 6years old standart with lame story (dont gimme BS that the story is great, Planescape Torment had great story...u know...story with depth,existencial questions and philosophies, moral dichotomies of right/wrong kind/needed cruel/truthfull etc.)

oh and there's this thing - games are about playing, that's why GAMEPLAY should be the most important thing, not scenes and a cheesy story..there are movies  for that (and books! what a shock, right kids? )

 

Good enough is subjective, game-play quality is subjective, opinions are subjective..... What a shock, indeed...

Story is game play.

Game play is story.

Let's respect other user's opinions. Thanks. No personal attacks.

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I can wait. But i've been burned on two previous MMO's

There werent any glaring bugs but i did find several issues. UI is an issue. Graphics arent that big an issue for me. Because lets be honest. Would anyone be satisfied with anything short of photorealisim at this point? (Which currently isnt doable) In this most recent public beta you didnt get a lot of time to do much. you got to play through an opening and it did feel somewhat grindy and the UI is very reminncent of other games i've played. Would i have loved to see the TOR combat be closer to DCUO than WOW/Rift? hell yes. Am i disappointed. Not yet.

This game has a very deep storyline that wil ask questions of you as it develops. I wont spoil the trooper line but something tells me you're only at the tip of the iceburg in more than a few cases. One thing i noticed was the often surevey taking. Someone's reading those. If people actually take their time to put an actual opinion in something might just happen. This game doesnt feel like a rush to max level. It has something you can enjoy and savor for the first time in a VERY long time for MMO's.

Mirrored classes was talked about in another thread and yes that CAN be a bad thing. And those who think developers are lazy for doing it that way need to look at EVE, Anarchy Online, WoW to no small extent, RIFT to a MASSIVE extent and a number of others and ask them just what kind of madness it is to balance a system like that. (oh of all i've listed...to this point NONE have solved balance at all.)  I'll be honest. If it means we have a balanced PVP setup I'LL TAKE THAT! No FOTM builds? I'LL TAKE THAT! No: Either use this setup or you cant storm the sith temple on Korriban! Setups? I'LL TAKE THAT!

Game balance is one of the hardest things to achieve over the course of an MMO.  If a trooper has a legitimate chance against a Sith Warrior without being omgwtfforcepwned then this game is going to RULE! People not being pressured to play Jedi/Sith is going to help this game and Bioware knows it.

That all being said i'm waiting until march.

I burned 140 on Rift. (wish i could have that money back)

I burned 120 on AOC (wish i could have that money back and kick a few players of that game in the nads)

Both of these happened after exceptional beta experiences. I'm gonna join in on TOR at some point. But not initially.

Originally posted by Pigozz

He sums it up nicely at 4:15

It's just not good enough

I'm sorry if I'm spoiled..but so hyped up and so expensive game SHOULD and NEED to offer more than a 6years old standart with lame story (dont gimme BS that the story is great, Planescape Torment had great story...u know...story with depth,existencial questions and philosophies, moral dichotomies of right/wrong kind/needed cruel/truthfull etc.)

oh and there's this thing - games are about playing, that's why GAMEPLAY should be the most important thing, not scenes and a cheesy story..there are movies  for that (and books! what a shock, right kids? )

 

From first day it is a known fact that SWTOR main strength is story. So those who believe that there are movies and books for such a thing, why even waste a breathe checking into SWTOR? did Bioware hide anything? nope. I think you are critcising for the sake of it because this is not some new information.

Sorry but this game was never for you to begin with or anyone else who is not into story telling. However, i would like to mention that even GW2 has a personal storyline and GW too had plenty of cutscenes. But i am sure you loved those.

*rolls eyes*

Originally posted by Pigozz

He sums it up nicely at 4:15

It's just not good enough

I'm sorry if I'm spoiled..but so hyped up and so expensive game SHOULD and NEED to offer more than a 6years old standart with lame story (dont gimme BS that the story is great, Planescape Torment had great story...u know...story with depth,existencial questions and philosophies, moral dichotomies of right/wrong kind/needed cruel/truthfull etc.)

oh and there's this thing - games are about playing, that's why GAMEPLAY should be the most important thing, not scenes and a cheesy story..there are movies  for that (and books! what a shock, right kids? )

 

Your comment about PST actually made me think of something.

In PST, you had like TONS of dialog choices you could pick all the time. Sometimes up to like 10 responses to pick from at once!  It really allowed you to play the kind of character you wanted...and the choices often had a lot of depth. 

But in SWTOR (and other recent BW games) you have this dialog wheel that limits you to three choices.

It makes the gameplay faster and requires less reading, but I think it really constrains your options as a roleplayer.  The choices are often "good guy," "snarky guy," and "dick."  This is hardly deep. 

It makes we want for the old days of multiple dialog choices.

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Originally posted by Anthur
The asian girl looks and behaves like a human. But the others... they are zombies right ? At least they speak and look like zombies.

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I found her just as "odd" as the rest. She mentioned being in beta since friends and family but had never seen/gained a companion? Huh?

Their review kinda reminds me of a theatre critic who posted his review and was busted the following day as the night he claimed to see the show it was closed as the power was out.

Anyway i tested last weekend had 1 crash in over 40 hours of gameplay, it may not have everything everyone wants but i enjoyed the combat and loved the story lines. It is well polished and very stable, got my reinvite for this weekend and cant wait.