Originally posted by Robsolf

Mostly 9's and 8's for me, but a 6 for character design.  We NEED more than 4 body types, especially males.

I would argue that we need more than four for both. Some additional variations in body types would have been really nice. The graphics are fine thou. 

"...haters always gonna hate..."

In the beta, story and group content made the game for me. I had quite a few laughs and gasps during the player story and, maybe even more so, multiplayer dialogue. So I gave Story and Group Content high ratings, and the others mediocre-ish.

On early impression, the game overall would get a 7 or an 8 from me.

I prefer stylized graphics personally, so I really liked them.  I would also argue that more body types are needed.  I wanted a bulkier trooper, but that option is just to much.

The voice acting and game presentation are very large improvements for me.  I remember playing rift and everything just felt very samey and bland.  This isnt the case with TOR (for me). 

I didnt get that far in beta, I wanted to save most of the game for me to discover.  But from what I saw, mostly 8s.

Originally posted by Supersoups

And what is stopping GW2 fans and others to come here and vote it down? nothing. They come here to start flame wars pretty often so i am sure voting for them would be much easier task.

Nothing stops them, but most people don't go to forums of games they aren't interested in.  Some do, of course, and some respond to posts that get listed on mmorpg.com's front page, but from what I can tell, most people just stick to the forums of games they like.

While I don't personally think combat should be rated as high as some of the polls reflect (it really is just more of the 1,2,3,1,4,5 gameplay), I think that it's giving an idea of the general communities feel for the game.  It's funny because all my ratings were on average 1-2 pts lower than the community but I'm still excited for the game.

Beta actually left me feeling LESS worried (even though I only played opposite factions intil the left their first planet so as to not ruin my storyarc).

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Wow.. I voted about a 9 average, as I was very impressed in most areas. It looks like most of the community so far is right around there also. 

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Umm.... your review of the review is done is a very poor design. You're saying 7 and under is bad...LOL - You obviously don't like the game and are making your review reflect your personaly opinion... Do you work for Fox news by chance?

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Umm.... your review of the review is done is a very poor design. You're saying 7 and under is bad...LOL - You obviously don't like the game and are making your review reflect your personaly opinion... Do you work for Fox news by chance?

I was about to post a very similar reply.  This poll shows that the vast majority of those who responded are pleased with the game.  Sure, there's room for improvement, but all of the things they've done right completely make up for the areas where they are lacking.

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

  I lol'd at this!

 Now try your results again by using an actual middle ground number such as 5 (do believe that is between 1-10) and you will find that your review is completely without basis! And just cause all areas aren't great don't mean much. Cause when I look at that and see the majority of the people are 6-7+ when going from a middle number. It tells alot more then your wanting to go up the grading curve higher then a middle ground. If all numbers were 4-6 then your statements about people not liking it, would have alot more merit!

Greetings and salutations Mr Weasel.

Here are the scores from Holifeet...

Story: It's what the game does better than any other MMO. It is the game and it's what i want to play for.  - 10

Combat: It's up there. Many people will say it's a case of the sdame old, same old style of picking a skill and rotating those skills, but isn't that what MMOs are really all about anyway? SWTOR does things a little different and there were some nice ideas on my Inquisitor concerning crowd control, and a variety of electrical attacks. There wasn't really one particular way that you would always chose. - 8

Graphics: It wasn't up there with the best of bunch for style and looks, but the characters were nice and the environments pretty to look at. I know how I felt when I first set foot in the jungles of Dromund Kaas, and that's why the score has to be up there. I had to mark it down for the fat model and character customisation though. - 8

Group and World Content: I very much enjoyed the flashpoint I did and the heroic content was not far behind, but it was a little easy. That took the score down, but the group conversations and the generally slower pace of things gave it a higher score. - 9

Companions: I really like the idea of companions and their part in the story that you follow, but I was held up by the ease of gameplay with them along and the fact that they kept talking. I also am very much looking forward to delving in to the companion missions and crafting, because I didn't get a chance to do that at the weekend. So the possibilities and the fact that hopefully the voices will be fixed for release gives a good score. - 8

So that's just about an 8.5 overall from me, and based on first impression I'd say that's about right. One thing that does worry me about the game is longevity and easiness. I'm not going to let that get to me though, because if I get 2 months out of SWTOR I'll be more than happy. My other worry, and something I don't think the polls covered, was the UI. It really is a poor UI for such a quality looking game, and with it I can't raise the score any higher.

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Umm.... your review of the review is done is a very poor design. You're saying 7 and under is bad...LOL - You obviously don't like the game and are making your review reflect your personaly opinion... Do you work for Fox news by chance?

No, I am saying that "7 and under" is "not that great". Not saying that it is bad.

Originally posted by Blackrayn

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

  I lol'd at this!

 Now try your results again by using an actual middle ground number such as 5 (do believe that is between 1-10) and you will find that your review is completely without basis! And just cause all areas aren't great don't mean much. Cause when I look at that and see the majority of the people are 6-7+ when going from a middle number. It tells alot more then your wanting to go up the grading curve higher then a middle ground. If all numbers were 4-6 then your statements about people not liking it, would have alot more merit!

I don't know about you, but when I decide to play a game, it stands between games that I think are worth 10, 9, 8 and sometimes 7. I don't think I've ever played that is worth a 6. 

Also it depends on what metric is used. You could either choose to see 5 as an "average", or you can see 5 as "meh". Few reviews actually use 5 to denote "average". 

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Umm.... your review of the review is done is a very poor design. You're saying 7 and under is bad...LOL - You obviously don't like the game and are making your review reflect your personaly opinion... Do you work for Fox news by chance?

No, I am saying that "7 and under" is "not that great". Not saying that it is bad.

You said 7- is not that great but if 5 is the middle ground then that is what we call average. The majorities of all votes were 7+ so the majority of voters thing the game ABOVE average.

Anyway my votes turned out to mirror the community in every catagory.

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by Blackrayn

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

  I lol'd at this!

 Now try your results again by using an actual middle ground number such as 5 (do believe that is between 1-10) and you will find that your review is completely without basis! And just cause all areas aren't great don't mean much. Cause when I look at that and see the majority of the people are 6-7+ when going from a middle number. It tells alot more then your wanting to go up the grading curve higher then a middle ground. If all numbers were 4-6 then your statements about people not liking it, would have alot more merit!

 

I don't know about you, but when I decide to play a game, it stands between games that I think are worth 10, 9, 8 and sometimes 7. I don't think I've ever played that is worth a 6. 

 

Also it depends on what metric is used. You could either choose to see 5 as an "average", or you can see 5 as "meh". Few reviews actually use 5 to denote "average". 

 I doubt I would play a game at 6 or lower either. But, the fact of the matter is you are trying to make these ratings be alot worse then what they are! If 5 were average (which in a 1-10 scale it is) then this game is far better then average. And alot closer to perfect then what your trying to reflect.

Originally posted by ltank

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Originally posted by Praetalus

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Umm.... your review of the review is done is a very poor design. You're saying 7 and under is bad...LOL - You obviously don't like the game and are making your review reflect your personaly opinion... Do you work for Fox news by chance?

No, I am saying that "7 and under" is "not that great". Not saying that it is bad.

You said 7- is not that great but if 5 is the middle ground then that is what we call average. The majorities of all votes were 7+ so the majority of voters thing the game ABOVE average.

 

Anyway my votes turned out to mirror the community in every catagory.

Let me educate you about what average is: average is the common terminology for the "arithmetic mean" which is "the sum of all involved numbers divided with the total amount of involved numbers".

If we take a look at all the 2011 MMORPGS and rate their graphics individually with a poll similar to this one: do you really think that the average will be 5?  I am strongly certain of that the average will land on 7 or higher. 

Originally posted by Blackrayn 

 I doubt I would play a game at 6 or lower either. But, the fact of the matter is you are trying to make these ratings be alot worse then what they are! If 5 were average (which in a 1-10 scale it is) then this game is far better then average. And alot closer to perfect then what your trying to reflect.

Actually, what he does is common practice in polls and market research. On a 1-10 scale, the only answers that count as positive are 8-10. 7 or lower is too little involvement.

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great. 

Anything less than 7 means the game is bad? That's a bit harsh and shows bias towards making the game look bad.

A better way to do it would be to say 1-4 is bad, 5-7 is okay, and 8-10 is great. (I'm not included those who voted just to see results so figures won't add up to 100%)(These are results after about 240 votes (261 for story which is a bit ahead))

Story: 3.9% bad, 25.6% okay, 64.4% great

Combat/Gameplay: 9.1% bad, 39.3% okay, 47.5% great

Graphics: 17.2% bad, 45.4% okay, 33.2% great

Content: 10.2% bad, 34.4% okay, 47.7% great

Companions: 6.8% bad, 24.6% okay, 62.5%

Average out that across the 5 categories: 9.44% bad, 33.8% okay, 51.06% great

So shall we say that there's roughly a 55% to 45% majority that thinks the game is great rather than okay or bad?

Okay, I don't know how that is for quality of maths. I'm sure there'll be mathematicians out there tutting at me. Let's be honest though, and say the result is pretty much smack down the middle, as you'd expect on a forum where some will like the game and some won't. If anything there's more people voting the game good rather than bad.

Originally posted by InFaVilla

Let me summarize the poll results so far (200+ votes when I write this):

 

Story: 69.3% voted "Great or better" (8+) and 30.7% voted "Good or worse" (7-)

Combat/Gameplay: 50.4% voted 8+ and 49.6% voted 7-

Graphics/Character Design: 34.1% voted 8+ and 65.9% voted 7-

Group Content/World Content: 54.2% voted 8+ and 45.8% voted 7-

Companions/Crew Skills: 64.8% voted 8+ and 35.2% voted 7-

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As you can see from the numbers, there is a large amount of people, although not a majority, who think that SWTOR is currently not that great. 

 

We can also see that SWTOR gets high points in Story in Companions/Crew skills categories. Which is what is expected. Far from perfect scores, but nonetheless good ones.

 

We also see that a majority didn't think the Graphics/Character design was that great.

Very biased interpretation. Indeed Fox-news worthy.

Try adding the 7's to the 8, 9 and 10 block, for example, and see what happens.

I think the poll results are doing a great job at speaking for themselves and don't really need people drawing a line in the sand anywhere.