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  Maggon

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Joined: 3/14/06
Posts: 307

11/26/11 4:18:20 AM#41
Originally posted by forty4plus2

 



Originally posted by Maggon
My biggest issue is really the No chat bubbles thing.
Mostly cos I usually never look at the chat when speaking to people who's in the same room as me, and also makes it easier for me to identify if people are actually talking to me if im not paying attention to the chat window (which I rarely do)



It would be nice to have that as an option but I only see it being beneficial on an RP server.

 

Would be really nice to have it as an option indeed.

 

Though I guess I am also an RP'er by heart, but Chat bubbles are just something I in general like a lot, especially then I don't have to scroll through a ton of text in the chat window while im trying to read a message someone wrote while its being spammed due to a high populated area.

  demisedone

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Joined: 3/31/11
Posts: 9

11/26/11 4:34:19 AM#42
Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. I agree they could have made that a little more in depth

2. This is probably on the bottom of my list of concerns

3. The npc's socializing more would be cool, i've seen it a couple times in the pubs i like that idea of stories and lore being talked about and being able to stop and catch a neat story as you're passing by. Not something to dislike the game over though.

4. I dont even notice critters or anything of that sort, im just on a mission to kill stuff that gives me progress in my game life.

5. No day / night cycle <- i would think an easy thing to put into the game to make it more life like.

6. No swimming <- doesnt bother me, nice thing to be able to do though.

7. I thought there was space combat?

8. I think this fits in with #1 more cosmetic things are nice and fun

9. until you get mounts

10. They're there to be like critters not significant to the game but fun to have.

11. Graphics arent bad, could be better though because i just upgraded my computer for BF3 and would like to use it.

12. This is something i would assume they will be adding in shortly, because UI is a huge concern to a lot of peoples mmorpg game play.

13.  Pretty low on my conerns also.

14.  Didnt know there was cross faction chat

15.  This has to do with the lack of effort in graphics for #11 but they can be updated i would hope, Eve online did it.

Seems to me you look into the small details too much and not enough into the combat, pvp, and end game (i know you cant touch on end game because its not out yet) Those are my main concerns. Bugs, combat, pvp, latency, game stability, end game.

All in all, still better than WoW and a LOT of other mmorpgs out there. Going to be playing this until at least diablo 3 or TERA.

 

  gladosrev2

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Joined: 3/21/09
Posts: 204

11/26/11 4:49:45 AM#43

After actually trying the beta, my already low opinion of the game has skyrocketed.. downwards.

It is unbelievable that an AAA MMO with one if not the biggest budget of any games ever released, can be so amateurish so close to release.

Character creation is a joke for a 2011 game. Ken & Barbie doll inspired, the plastic hair makes you want to cry.

Graphics are.. well a screen is worth a thousand words:

Yes.. this is on maximum detail setting.. I couldn't believe it either. When was this game made, 2002? This level of detail would pass as lowest setting for a 2011 MMO, and considering how much was spent on this game, this is unnaceptable.

The character control animation is awful. Think something between Oblivion and Skyrim in 3rd person, and as you know none of these games put much effort into the 3PP mode. In other words its as basic as you get and little blending inbetween.

Shadows are a joke. The shadow map resolution is wayy too low (yes this is the highest shadow detail..) just look at the glaring pixels, I feel like the shadows come straight from minecraft considering how blocky they are lol.

Also consider the startling and immersion breaking contrast between decent quality and bad textures as seen on the top right pic. The stones and sand shore layer screams for paralax maping, like in Crysis, and the huge rocks really need a lot more detail.

Combat is standard to a fault. When you charge a group of enemies as a jedi, it cries for freehand swinging, but you have to often stop and retarget because you can't hit the guy in front couse your target is the guy behind him.. seriously, I'm sick of this 10 year old system.

The so often praised cinematics are choppy, editing is abrupt, and textures tend to load for a few secs after the conversation has already started, this is unnaceptable for a game of this caliber.

I'll have to give a few positives though. The mid-field reporting after a quest is neat, but already done in other games. They got decent water, and they used SpeedTree properly for a nice vegetation effect, I'll give them that. The so called story is decent, a promising addition, too bad it all boils down to the same old tasks in the end, and the individual characters have little to no personality.

All in all I'm glad I tried the beta, SWTOR has lost the race for me completely now. GW2, Archeage and TSW remain. This is not meant to be a review btw so take this as you will as a beta opinion from a disappointed SW fan. The game does not only copy WoW in everything gameplay wise, seems like it also copies its graphics, that was my initial impression upon entering the game. It will get a lot of early attention to be sure, but it's not a game worth my time.

What saddens me most is the fact that the only one other sci-fi IP worth getting a MMO treatment is also owned by Bioware.. it being Mass Effect.

 

 

 

My Guild Wars 2 First Beta Weekend "reviewette" : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4944570/thread/349125#4944570

  faxnadu

Novice Member

Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 953

11/26/11 4:56:45 AM#44
Originally posted by scotty899

this just in 'ITS FREE A BETA' andit aint gona make everyone happy.

 

If you are just gona cry, why dont you post it in the swotr forum so somthing can be elaborated on and maybe fixed/changed.

 

i enjoy it. nothing like WoW. no stupid panda expansion. and people who QQ for no auto hit should just stick to their one button macro mmo's

do you actually believe that when the release date is this close free open beta should be like the op explained, i have been on 50/50 boat with this game either get it or not but reasons what op says if they are trully true at this point i will defo pass this star wars game. cheerio

 

edit, yet everyhting ive seen is just like wow with spacesuits and yet QQ is peoples opinions. 

  manolaren

Novice Member

Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 60

11/26/11 5:08:36 AM#45
Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. Character creation - (lack of options in key areas like body and face type)

2. No completed quest log - (If we are playing many alts, would like to refresh on a toon's story by looking at recent completed quests.)

3. Social hubs / cities feel lifeless - (no npc interaction except with quest givers, very quiet, almost no ambient npc conversation or sound. Most npc's are just locked in one spot / position for infinity. Try walking through the Jedi Temple or Coruscant, feels like a graveyard or library)

4. World is lifeless - (no critters, birds, nothing. There are a few non aggro mobs or beasts, but they just stay locked in 1 spot pretty much)

5. No day / night cycle.

6. No swimming

7. Space combat

8. Races available to choose from - (all human races disappointing - was hoping to play a Rodian or Ithorian)

9. Very slow travel speed.

10. Racial abilities are not only worthless, but just plain dumb (most of them anyway)

11. Graphics, especially in environments.

12. Cannot custom UI

13.  Extremely primitive guild features.

14.  No chat bubbles (to help with cross-faction chat)

15.  Water is terrible, pan the camera from underneath and you can see it's just a blue texture placed on top of an empty hole that you run through


That's what I can think of for right now.  I will say I love the story and voice acting - but it seems they pumped 80% of their money into that and the GAME is somewhat of an afterthought.  It's not bad, but for the money and hype put into it - for me it falls pretty flat.


Agree 100%

The game makes me feel nothing. All seems lifeless, static and sometimes dead. The open world, the cities, everything. There wasnt even a single moment that i felt something <epic> happens here. Anyway my conclusion is that the game has nothing new to offer, either to mmo genre or experienced mmo players. Its a nice game but not what will make me cancel my current mmo and play it

  hikaru77

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 961

11/26/11 5:21:28 AM#46
Originally posted by manolaren
Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. Character creation - (lack of options in key areas like body and face type)

2. No completed quest log - (If we are playing many alts, would like to refresh on a toon's story by looking at recent completed quests.)

3. Social hubs / cities feel lifeless - (no npc interaction except with quest givers, very quiet, almost no ambient npc conversation or sound. Most npc's are just locked in one spot / position for infinity. Try walking through the Jedi Temple or Coruscant, feels like a graveyard or library)

4. World is lifeless - (no critters, birds, nothing. There are a few non aggro mobs or beasts, but they just stay locked in 1 spot pretty much)

5. No day / night cycle.

6. No swimming

7. Space combat

8. Races available to choose from - (all human races disappointing - was hoping to play a Rodian or Ithorian)

9. Very slow travel speed.

10. Racial abilities are not only worthless, but just plain dumb (most of them anyway)

11. Graphics, especially in environments.

12. Cannot custom UI

13.  Extremely primitive guild features.

14.  No chat bubbles (to help with cross-faction chat)

15.  Water is terrible, pan the camera from underneath and you can see it's just a blue texture placed on top of an empty hole that you run through


That's what I can think of for right now.  I will say I love the story and voice acting - but it seems they pumped 80% of their money into that and the GAME is somewhat of an afterthought.  It's not bad, but for the money and hype put into it - for me it falls pretty flat.


Agree 100%

The game makes me feel nothing. All seems lifeless, static and sometimes dead. The open world, the cities, everything. There wasnt even a single moment that i felt something happens here. Anyway my conclusion is that the game has nothing new to offer, either to mmo genre or experienced mmo players. Its a nice game but not what will make me cancel my current mmo and play it

Poeple just keep comparing swtor with a single payer game, is a MMO ffs, what are you talking about with ¨i didnt hear the birds¨, ¨the world is dead¨. what?. I have played everything and not just wow, the inmersion in swtor is just amazing, you are playing in a world where everyone can talk, even the ¨static¨ npcs, thats what make a world feel alive and not ¨a bird singing¨. but at the end, it doesnt matter, if 100 testers love swtor and 1 hate it?, what do that mean?, swtor even in beta, is the best MMO in the market, i cant even play my old MMO anymore after tor. Is ok if you didnt like the game, but be constructive, and when you find that all the post talking about  ¨I'm very disappointed with TOR¨ come from people who can make a single constructive commentary, then you know how huge swtor will be. 

  OgreRaper

Novice Member

Joined: 6/20/11
Posts: 381

11/26/11 5:21:59 AM#47

Race selection - Very bland. So many interesting races that could have been playable.

No Add-on or Macros - I like being able to customize my UI to suit my taste. Having to click on someone if you want to heal them... IMO that should not be happening in an MMO being released in 2011.

Companions - I don't want a pet. Forcing everyone into being a pet class is not cool. Especially considering they will be allowed in world PvP.

No Dungeon Finder - Spamming LFG is something I will never do again.

 

  faxnadu

Novice Member

Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 953

11/26/11 5:29:22 AM#48
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by manolaren
Originally posted by Margulis

I'm very disappointed in TOR.  Some people want to know well WHY! are you disappointed?!  Well, for me, here's why....

1. Character creation - (lack of options in key areas like body and face type)

2. No completed quest log - (If we are playing many alts, would like to refresh on a toon's story by looking at recent completed quests.)

3. Social hubs / cities feel lifeless - (no npc interaction except with quest givers, very quiet, almost no ambient npc conversation or sound. Most npc's are just locked in one spot / position for infinity. Try walking through the Jedi Temple or Coruscant, feels like a graveyard or library)

4. World is lifeless - (no critters, birds, nothing. There are a few non aggro mobs or beasts, but they just stay locked in 1 spot pretty much)

5. No day / night cycle.

6. No swimming

7. Space combat

8. Races available to choose from - (all human races disappointing - was hoping to play a Rodian or Ithorian)

9. Very slow travel speed.

10. Racial abilities are not only worthless, but just plain dumb (most of them anyway)

11. Graphics, especially in environments.

12. Cannot custom UI

13.  Extremely primitive guild features.

14.  No chat bubbles (to help with cross-faction chat)

15.  Water is terrible, pan the camera from underneath and you can see it's just a blue texture placed on top of an empty hole that you run through


That's what I can think of for right now.  I will say I love the story and voice acting - but it seems they pumped 80% of their money into that and the GAME is somewhat of an afterthought.  It's not bad, but for the money and hype put into it - for me it falls pretty flat.


Agree 100%

The game makes me feel nothing. All seems lifeless, static and sometimes dead. The open world, the cities, everything. There wasnt even a single moment that i felt something happens here. Anyway my conclusion is that the game has nothing new to offer, either to mmo genre or experienced mmo players. Its a nice game but not what will make me cancel my current mmo and play it

Poeple just keep comparing swtor with a single payer game, is a MMO ffs, what are you talking about with ¨i didnt hear the birds¨, ¨the world is dead¨. what?. I have played everything and not just wow, the inmersion in swtor is just amazing, you are playing in a world where everyone can talk, even the ¨static¨ npcs, thats what make a world feel alive and not ¨a bird singing¨. but at the end, it doesnt matter, if 100 testers love swtor and 1 hate it?, what do that mean?, swtor even in beta, is the best MMO in the market, i cant even play my old MMO anymore after tor. Is ok if you didnt like the game, but be constructive, and when you find that all the post talking about  ¨I'm very disappointed with TOR¨ come from people who can make a single constructive commentary, then you know how huge swtor will be. 

again this type of comment , stil in beta , even in beta , COMON guys few weeks are not gona turn the tables its gona be the same in release as its now so chose another argument please.

  Latella

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Joined: 12/27/09
Posts: 190

11/26/11 5:33:39 AM#49

I  have one complaint.

The character movements are quite clunky, especially the movement ones.

 

Rawr.

  manolaren

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Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 60

11/26/11 5:33:44 AM#50
Originally posted by hikaru77

Poeple just keep comparing swtor with a single payer game, is a MMO ffs, what are you talking about with ¨i didnt hear the birds¨, ¨the world is dead¨. what?. I have played everything and not just wow, the inmersion in swtor is just amazing, you are playing in a world where everyone can talk, even the ¨static¨ npcs, thats what make a world feel alive and not ¨a bird singing¨. but at the end, it doesnt matter, if 100 testers love swtor and 1 hate it?, what do that mean?, swtor even in beta, is the best MMO in the market, i cant even play my old MMO anymore after tor. Is ok if you didnt like the game, but be constructive, and when you find that all the post talking about  ¨I'm very disappointed with TOR¨ come from people who can make a single constructive commentary, then you know how huge swtor will be. 

and because its an mmo it must not have really good graphics in 2012? must have a static world?  must have crap racials? must not have new guild options? must have this terrible character customization?

no sir!

many games already have them all (or many of those) and many more are coming soon. i agree its a good game but has nothing to do with the big expectations everyone had. thats at least my opinion.

and a question pls. where exactly is the point that you are constructive? by telling that even in beta its the bestt mmo in the market and you cant even play your current mmo? if thats the way you mean beeng constructive then ok :)

  Zefire

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Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 700

11/26/11 5:35:09 AM#51
Originally posted by gladosrev2

After actually trying the beta, my already low opinion of the game has skyrocketed.. downwards.

It is unbelievable that an AAA MMO with one if not the biggest budget of any games ever released, can be so amateurish so close to release.

Character creation is a joke for a 2011 game. Ken & Barbie doll inspired, the plastic hair makes you want to cry.

Graphics are.. well a screen is worth a thousand words:

Yes.. this is on maximum detail setting.. I couldn't believe it either. When was this game made, 2002? This level of detail would pass as lowest setting for a 2011 MMO, and considering how much was spent on this game, this is unnaceptable.

The character control animation is awful. Think something between Oblivion and Skyrim in 3rd person, and as you know none of these games put much effort into the 3PP mode. In other words its as basic as you get and little blending inbetween.

Shadows are a joke. The shadow map resolution is wayy too low (yes this is the highest shadow detail..) just look at the glaring pixels, I feel like the shadows come straight from minecraft considering how blocky they are lol.

Also consider the startling and immersion breaking contrast between decent quality and bad textures as seen on the top right pic. The stones and sand shore layer screams for paralax maping, like in Crysis, and the huge rocks really need a lot more detail.

Combat is standard to a fault. When you charge a group of enemies as a jedi, it cries for freehand swinging, but you have to often stop and retarget because you can't hit the guy in front couse your target is the guy behind him.. seriously, I'm sick of this 10 year old system.

The so often praised cinematics are choppy, editing is abrupt, and textures tend to load for a few secs after the conversation has already started, this is unnaceptable for a game of this caliber.

I'll have to give a few positives though. The mid-field reporting after a quest is neat, but already done in other games. They got decent water, and they used SpeedTree properly for a nice vegetation effect, I'll give them that. The so called story is decent, a promising addition, too bad it all boils down to the same old tasks in the end, and the individual characters have little to no personality.

All in all I'm glad I tried the beta, SWTOR has lost the race for me completely now. GW2, Archeage and TSW remain. This is not meant to be a review btw so take this as you will as a beta opinion from a disappointed SW fan. The game does not only copy WoW in everything gameplay wise, seems like it also copies its graphics, that was my initial impression upon entering the game. It will get a lot of early attention to be sure, but it's not a game worth my time.

What saddens me most is the fact that the only one other sci-fi IP worth getting a MMO treatment is also owned by Bioware.. it being Mass Effect.

 

 

 

^^^This   x10 times

I played the beta yesterday

Im tired to write how terrible this game looks so i just thump up your post.
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1 the ui/interface is working but is terrible blue shit all over the screen with no imagination at all.Indie games have better ui/interface and Not this mess.

2 Movement animations are terrible your character runs like someone has f him from behind,cranky and no smooth and real at all.

3 It looks like a bad copy of wow in space with no inovation.Even the jump reminds wow and it doesnt suits swtor in any way.I really hate when games dont have their own identity and they just copy paste things from other mmos.

4 Combat skills are not smooth eg the skill that u throw a rock to your enemy looks like it travels at 2 fps.Ridiculous

5 Combat wasn't so much fun with 3 classes ive played so far.

6 Game was very easy even a 6 years old kid could play it.Maybe they had their kids testing the game.From that it's clear that the main beta testers of the game were comlete garbage kid gamers.There is no reason to use some other skills i was just keep pushing 2 skills.uber fail

7 It doesnt gives you the feeling of exploration and it felt like a game on rails.

8.Character customization is awful

9 Music isnt something special.Wow has the best music  ever that drives u into the game.

10 The game feels dead in the cities.You have voice acting on quests but the city it self is speechless.Those 2 things cant be combined

 

11.I may find more if i keep playing this game but for now that's all and it's enough for not buying it.

 

 

In general i rate this game a complete waste of money and a journey back in 2002 with a 10% better graphics than wow.

Welcome swtor but i think u are a bit late so pls accept these bad reviews.Even "orcs must die" have better resolution textures.

I remember when Bioware were saying we are not releasing crap at gamescom.Well guess what Bio heres your second crap after dragon age 2.That's what i totaly dislike from a company fake f promises.

 

 

  dubyahite

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11/26/11 5:36:09 AM#52

I would just like to reply to the "Slow Travel Speed." 

 

Get to level 15, you won't complain about that anymore. 

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  Herodes

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11/26/11 5:37:39 AM#53


When I worked on SWTOR, the running joke was that we knew the game would be ready to ship when we had water physics and swimming animations.

It’s shipping next month and there is still no water physics or swimming animations, even though there is a least one quest in which the NPCs SPECIFICALLY MENTION SWIMMING!

For me, that was a portent of what to expect from the game.

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  dubyahite

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11/26/11 5:41:43 AM#54
Originally posted by Herodes

 


 

When I worked on SWTOR, the running joke was that we knew the game would be ready to ship when we had water physics and swimming animations.

It’s shipping next month and there is still no water physics or swimming animations, even though there is a least one quest in which the NPCs SPECIFICALLY MENTION SWIMMING!

For me, that was a portent of what to expect from the game.

Leslee



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Swimming is so minor to me. I don't understand why people care so much about it. 

 

First of all, a trooper in full heavy armor or a bounty hunter swimming? Yeah right, they'd sink like a rock. Second...lightsabers don't work in water.

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  Manezao

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11/26/11 5:43:32 AM#55

Lots of people are comparing SWTOR to WoW.....

This isnt WoW guys......

lets put aside you WoW fanatic and make a constructive opnion plz...

People coplain bout 

Companions, racials.. all this things....

Man this all in the Star Wars Lore

what would the obi wan without R2 or han  without cheweie!!

is only seeks to inform a little about the Star Wars lore that you will see

how bout the graphics...in the forum they said they would limit the resolution to see how the servers behaved with greatplayers, to test lag, bugs, that sort of thing pro beta flow better and look for errors.

and macros......again this isnt WoW guys.......here hs not the thing one button do all......you have to do....

 

  dubyahite

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11/26/11 5:45:17 AM#56

The other thing about graphics that should be noted is that Anti-aliasing isn't even turned on yet. There is still room for some improvement. 

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  palulalula

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11/26/11 5:47:06 AM#57

Not at all. Best mmo i ever saw. And i play for long time this kind of games. I am wow and eve online fan for years and can say just one--it will not disappoint youi like GW did

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11/26/11 5:52:48 AM#58

I went in to the beta with low expections, and man, what am I happy I didn't pre order this game. Don't get me wrong, it's a BioWare game, good 'nd all, but as a mmorpg? Terrible. It's really a "been there, done that" game. Just as I had with Rift.

There is no creativity in this game at all. Clearly they looked at popular theme park mmorpgs, and thought, well.. lets copy the shite out of this!

Most disappointing so far:

  • Character creation, WHAT the F?
  • Races are very generic.
  • Quests are still the same. BORING.
  • Actually having to wait for things to respawn. Such a flawed mechanic.
  • Graphics. Environment looks very outdated (not talking about art direction, that's personal).
  • Combat feels.. copied. Like I have played it before IN EVERY OTHER THEME PARK. They could've made it a bit more interesting.
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  manolaren

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11/26/11 5:53:05 AM#59

after all the negative reviews by critics and sites during beta, if it wasnt a Star Wars title will be already DEAD.

This is a <before 5 years game> folks and not a 2012 one.

...but it will live thanks to Star Wars fans and not the MMO genre ones :)

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11/26/11 5:53:40 AM#60
Originally posted by palulalula

Not at all. Best mmo i ever saw. And i play for long time this kind of games. I am wow and eve online fan for years and can say just one--it will not disappoint youi like GW did

How did Guild Wars disappoint?

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