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  Loke666

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11/16/11 4:10:35 AM#21
Originally posted by VirusDancer

There are separate sections - most of the Skyrim threads are in General Gaming or a sub-section of that.  The problem is that on the front page and the Real-time page, it shows all threads.  It would be nifty if we could customize what sections it showed.

Heck, I'd be fine if I could just uncheck General Gaming - and leave the rest of General Discussion and Developers Corner checked.

Yeah, something like that. They could also split up the forum list a little, so you can browse CORPGs or multiplayer games like Diablo 3 by themselves.

The more games on the site the better, but there should be a little more order. :)

  DarkPony

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11/16/11 4:17:39 AM#22

WTB Skyrim sub-forum.

"MM( )RPG.COM" should be "(MMO)RPG.COM", seriously.

There's a huge overlap in mmorpg players and sp rpg players anyway.

Also F2P advertising pays their bills. Fine with me. I'll never touch them with a 10 foot pole anyway.

  VirusDancer

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11/16/11 4:23:22 AM#23
Originally posted by DarkPony

WTB Skyrim sub-forum.

"MM( )RPG.COM" should be "(MMO)RPG.COM", seriously.

There's a huge overlap in mmorpg players and sp rpg players anyway.

Also F2P advertising pays their bills. Fine with me. I'll never touch them with a 10 foot pole anyway.

Heh, I'd still get in trouble for arguing with folks over whether their "RPG" game is not actually just an Adventure or Action game with some RPG elements.  :)

I thought it was cool that they added FPSguru, RTSguru, and UnboundGamer.  I mean, I don't go to any of those sites - but I still thought it was cool....

...and you know what?  Even though RPGguru is not up there - our buddies here at MMORPG.com own the domain for it.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Mothanos

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11/16/11 4:25:44 AM#24

Link me a site that is equal ot better then this and i would agree.

There is none :P

 

Personal taste comes in mind to, i like it there and can check alot of stuff in a few mouse clicks and see good info on what iam looking for.

 

  Dvalon

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11/16/11 4:29:51 AM#25
Originally posted by Mothanos

Link me a site that is equal ot better then this and i would agree.

There is none :P

 

Personal taste comes in mind to, i like it there and can check alot of stuff in a few mouse clicks and see good info on what iam looking for.

 

thats easy..

 

MMORPG News - New MMO News, Free MMOs, Tidbit, Top 10, Topics, Previews - www.mmosite.com

Free MMORPG Online Games & Free MMO RPG Directory - OnRPG.com

 

mmohut as well, there are tons of them, in the past mmorpg really seperated itself from them by being more specialized and as a result was a far better site, now its adding all the trash and fluf and becoming more like the rest, mmo sites are just difusing into a mess if you ask me.

 

Sure the content is still here its not gone, but its being obscured at times by all the crap we need to sift through to get at it.

  fenistil

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Joined: 9/22/11
Posts: 3016

11/16/11 4:35:53 AM#26

I agree mostly with OP.

 

It is sickening to see all pro-RMT and pro-cash-shop articles out in mmorpg.com, but on the other hand I am not surprised.

I was working for some time as a journalist and I've learned some cold truth. Mmorpg.com and similar sites will express opinions based on what industry spend most marketting money on.  Because nowadays many games go F2P or freemium and imho mmorpg market is proceeding into something like 85%-90% of mmo's will be f2p or freemium and maybe 10% will be still p2p + few will try some other models, then game companies obviously spends alot of money for marketting and advertisements and that's why sites on internet will change their opinions and articles.

 

Simple as that. Money talks. This is unfortunatelly normal and it was always like that.

 

That's why I stopped making my decisions based on "opinions" and articles from websites and newspaprers, magazines and such.  I have my own measures that I made decisions on and while this unfortunetally make my decision making much slower and I've to put much more effort in making decisions, they are usually more satisfying and plain better.

 

For non-mmorpg or even non-mmo games that are beign covered on this site. Well that's ultimate proof that mmos are already viewed by large enough portion of playerbase as nothing diffrent as other games.

Directly comparing games like Diablo, League of Legends or Skyrim to mmorpg'sjust shows how playerbase has changed because of mmorpg's going mainstream and how mmorpg's changed themselves - since most mmorpg's nowadays are just single player with co-op option games instead of true MMO they once were.

  Volgore

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11/16/11 4:42:40 AM#27

"1. MMORPG.com buying into PR hype"

This site is not buying into, but a tool of PR hype.

They sold out to companies like Funcom, Trion or the F2P department aka "the allmighty dollar" times ago. Totally biased coverage on their respective products incl. free highscore ratings in "reviews" reflects this. There are about two decent writers left, most of the articles slap the propanganda right into your face. Also reviews, re-reviews done by people appearing out of nowhere and from which i haven't read anything else before. Ok, got it...pulling the "guest writer" card resp."content of the article is the writer's personal impression blabla"

Barely any decent writers and those who are rather don't dare to call things by it's name, as of course mmorpg.com rather like to make friends in the industry than upsetting someone with a big add-budget. Expanding to RTS and FPS add up on this.

They are not losing their focus, it just shifted towards pleasing the big dogs.

 

F2P: Guess every adult reader is by now disgusted with the moe-adds on the mainpage.

And btw: the attempt to relativize Aihoshi's F2P brainwash with some "sharptongue" side-blows failed to an extend, as it can rather be resumed as some sort of sarcasm instead of a serious counterattack.

 

"2. Games that shouldn't be here"

As to the coverage of Skyrim: No problem with that, as it is more RPG than many other game on this page will ever be. But i still wonder how Diablo 3 found it's way in while Torchlight II did not. Yes, the ominous poll...so they an say that "people wanted that".  Why no poll for torchlight 2?

Also, looking through the games forums is rather amusing...quantity over quality all the way. I can't do a mouseclick anywhere without hitting a gameforum with 0 to 15 postings in there.

 

  MumboJumbo

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11/16/11 5:34:26 AM#28

mmorpg.com is a news, community and discussion site, evidently. Discussion will invariably topple into related arenas and that's a good thing to include when it's fitting to do so eg Skyrim, LoL, especially when "pure" mmorpg news  is less than exciting concurrently. Afterall if the site has some dependable news and interesting comments & discussion, then why not imo?

As for info, metascores usually contribute to my - FINAL SCORE - where unless >90% rating, game price = "should be ranged from 0 min - 20 max €/$/£" and preferably be "my kind of game". Written reviews on sites such as mmorpg provide interesting details, entertaining discussion and qualitive judgement of how well the writer has argued the game's case. As long as the argument put forward is strong I don't mind if the writer is only helping the ad revenue or really is pleading a case for a game from their heart of hearts! ;)

  CalmOceans

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11/16/11 5:43:10 AM#29

I like info about Diablo III and online Hack & Slash, it's close enough to multiplayer play for me to be interested in it, sue me.

The new Lineage eternal is also Hack & Slash MMO btw, should we not look at that either, even though it looks amazing??

No blinders for me please, keep showing Hack & Slash.

 

It's also THANKS to people posting Skyrim stuff in this MMO forum that I'm interested in it, it might not be MMO, but it's close enough, so why not!

  fenistil

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Posts: 3016

11/16/11 5:46:18 AM#30
Originally posted by CalmOceans

I like info about Diablo III, it's close enough to multiplayer play for me to be interested in it, sue me.

Huh? Diablo3 is not "close enough". It IS also multiplayer game. Like Call of Duty is f.e. It is not MMO though.

Multiplayer =/= MMO.

If it is fine for you then good well for you.

I am for some time already looking casually for some other mmorpg site. When I will find some other more fitting my tastes site, I will leave, since I don't really looking for 'genral gaming' or 'multiplayer gaming' site which mmorpg.com apparently starting to become.

  CalmOceans

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11/16/11 5:48:29 AM#31
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by CalmOceans

I like info about Diablo III, it's close enough to multiplayer play for me to be interested in it, sue me.

Huh? Diablo3 is not "close enough".

That is just your opinion, for me it is.

If we go by what MMO traditionally were, we should only post, P2P games.

No skyrim, no Diablo III, no lineage eternal, no F2P, no Guild Wars.

I can tell you one thing, that would be a pretty damn boring site.

  User Deleted
11/16/11 5:54:00 AM#32
Originally posted by quentin405
Originally posted by I_Return

after spending 1000's of dollars playing mmorpgs. F2p is a welcomed sight. The fact that someone fro Biware would make a discussion like this is pretty funny to say the least.

If a new mmorpg comes out with any type of monethly fee, it better deviler, who think about a different payment model.

 

A game like SwtOR is pretty much dead with a monthly paynment model. Specifically if players rip through the content like it is mass effect 2.

 

I LOL'd.

  Yeah all subscription based games are sure to die because you don't like the sub model..

 Better write some CEOs and let them know what a huge mistake they are making!!

Especially those who've been around for up to a decade or more with successful MMOs maintaining hundreds of thousands of players. They're in the most trouble, clearly.

Heh.

(that was sarcasm for any who might have missed it)

The thing about quentin's post is that he makes an assertion that I see made a lot about subs as though it's some kind of damning thing for the subscription model. The whole "it better deliver". Well, yeah. That's the whole point, with any kind of product or service that we pay for. That's what makes business challening... creating a product that people will feel is worth their money, and time of course. Companies who do it well are rewarded with success in terms of many people buying and using their product, over a number of years in many cases. Those who do it poorly face having to stop the service, pull the product and possibly even go out of business.... or find a way to improve the product and turn it around before having to deal with any of those options.

You notice this whole campaign Domino's Pizza's been on for the past many months? They were putting out these rather self-effacing commercials, basically coming out and saying "Yeah, we know our product has been crap, tasted like cardboard, etc... and we've decided to listen by improving the quality". You know why they did that? It's not because they had a sudden change of heart and decided "Gee, maybe we should start listening to our customers' concerns". No, it's very likely because they started to see their bottom line shrinking due to putting out a product considered crappy to a lot of people, and realized they had to either clean up their act, change their reputation by improving their quality... or go out of business.

And please, no one go "hur dee dur, did you just compare a pizzeria to MMOs?" No. I'm not. I'm using a pizza chain to illustrate how business works. You create a consistently good product that enough people find desirable, and you do well. You fail to do that, and you lose.

Sub-based MMOs are held to the same exact requirement. They either produce a game that is good enough to earn ("earn" is a very important term here)  the business of enough people to continue supporting and developing the game. Or, they fail and the game ends up on the chopping block, potentially along with the company behind it.

So, no... that some MMOs with subs fail has nothing to do with "subscriptions being fail".  It has everything to do with the game itself being inferior to too many people to make it and/or keep it successful.

  Kalfer

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11/16/11 5:55:36 AM#33

Well it's a known fact that lots of people who express an unpopular opinion, gets to lose their "credibility" in the face of what the majority says.

If a guy reviews Skyrim, and it's his opinion that it's not a good game, then he will be considered dumb, ignorant and wrong. The metacritic score proves it. It shows the truth. The individualistic opinion of the person reviewing is undermined by the truth. If more people says one thing, it must be right. And thus we transcend into a way were few really say what they think, and most games get a "safe-zone" score that is not to controverial within the realms of 7-9 on average. 

 

 

 

It's my opinion that MMORPG.com which has a lot of it's traffic due to it's name, should completely change focus on their site. I disagree with the OP about the games complained about in question. 

There are many people here who don't see anything massively about World of Warcraft, SWTOR and other themepark games, because they are also not true MMORPGs and not virtual worlds. 

 

I believe it's an fools argument to denie access to something because it blends genres. Burnout is not game with the same objectives and focus as Gran Turismo, but it's still a racing game. It's also other things, but you're still driving cars at high altitudes, for whatever reason.

 

 

Like wise games like Guild Wars(GW has been on this site since 2003.. I believe that if they are slowely losing focus, it has been a long time for them to do it then, yes?), LoL, Hellgate, APB, Dungeons and Dragons Online, all have contraptions and concept from MMOs. It's a blurry line for were it becomes a MMO, because there is no definition of that.

 

Would you remove World of Warcraft from this site because it's entire end game and vast amounts of it's content is set in much smaller instanced worlds? How is the overworld not just a quest lobbdy for the true end game? Who are you - Or anyone else, to say that, WoW has a higher regard for the true concepts of what MMOs are all about than Guild Wars, if we go back to the origins of MUDs with Dragons Gate and Gemstone, later M59 and UO?

 

 

This is a longer discussion, I won't continue here because it would go off track. Suffice to say though, what games are featured is something that should be debated in the community, because ultimately this is what it's all about.

 

I believe that MMORPG.com misses a lot of it's potential, and that they are trying to be like other gaming sites, just seen through a MMO filter. It's almost like the site itself is like a themepark. Superficial news, anecdote on patches and expansions and previews, the occasional review or re-review.

Instead what it should be about is empower the actual players, and not focus on a hype meter that just dumbs intellect and community to a set of numbers, when the front page should be covered with what goes on in these virtual worlds. This site inherently is set up to provoke hysterical fanboys. 

 

You see it all over. A new WoW expansion gets announced, and the outcry on the forums turns out to be the ramblings of very few posters who simply played one game too much, and decided to put silly reasons to blame for their own lack of selfunderstanding. Before that it was something about TOR. Before that something else. And in actuality, we get to see little insight on the front page from the players who spend many hours dwelved into a game. 

 

 

MMMORPG.com's staff can not be in a position were they can be expert on all the games, as that is too broad an undertaking. Most people who deem themselves expert on even a single game will be called a hack, and will most likely be immediately renounced by the other half of the games population who disagree with everything that person stands for, as it often is on this site, and with MMOs in general.

 

 

I hope that makes sense. lots of love.

 

  MumboJumbo

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11/16/11 5:56:06 AM#34
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by CalmOceans

I like info about Diablo III, it's close enough to multiplayer play for me to be interested in it, sue me.

Huh? Diablo3 is not "close enough".

That is just your opinion, for me it is.

If we go by what MMO traditionally were, we should only post, P2P games.

No skyrim, no Diablo III, no lineage eternal, no F2P, no Guild Wars.

I can tell you one thing, that would be a pretty damn boring site.

Agree^. Massively in mmorpg is more prevalent these days even in iOS and other games. Looking at each letter in isolation as it were on this site seems remarkably fine and an extension of "mmorpg" discussion anyway and entertaining between the few mmorpgs that really rock the scene (GW2?) from time to time (8 yrs!). ;)

  timtrack

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11/16/11 6:01:05 AM#35
Originally posted by DarkPony

WTB Skyrim sub-forum.

"MM( )RPG.COM" should be "(MMO)RPG.COM", seriously.

There's a huge overlap in mmorpg players and sp rpg players anyway.

Also F2P advertising pays their bills. Fine with me. I'll never touch them with a 10 foot pole anyway.

Actually, it should be "(MMO)(RP)G.COM". But it's not their fault. Wait, what's the issue again?

  CalmOceans

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11/16/11 6:23:03 AM#36
Originally posted by timtrack
Originally posted by DarkPony

WTB Skyrim sub-forum.

"MM( )RPG.COM" should be "(MMO)RPG.COM", seriously.

There's a huge overlap in mmorpg players and sp rpg players anyway.

Also F2P advertising pays their bills. Fine with me. I'll never touch them with a 10 foot pole anyway.

Actually, it should be "(MMO)(RP)G.COM". But it's not their fault. Wait, what's the issue again?

The issue is that there are too many racist chickens.

  timtrack

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11/16/11 6:33:03 AM#37
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by timtrack
Originally posted by DarkPony

WTB Skyrim sub-forum.

"MM( )RPG.COM" should be "(MMO)RPG.COM", seriously.

There's a huge overlap in mmorpg players and sp rpg players anyway.

Also F2P advertising pays their bills. Fine with me. I'll never touch them with a 10 foot pole anyway.

Actually, it should be "(MMO)(RP)G.COM". But it's not their fault. Wait, what's the issue again?

The issue is that there are too many racist chickens.

Not again :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FftZt-Dw_hQ

  fenistil

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11/16/11 6:46:25 AM#38
Originally posted by CalmOceans
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by CalmOceans

I like info about Diablo III, it's close enough to multiplayer play for me to be interested in it, sue me.

Huh? Diablo3 is not "close enough".

That is just your opinion, for me it is.

If we go by what MMO traditionally were, we should only post, P2P games.

No skyrim, no Diablo III, no lineage eternal, no F2P, no Guild Wars.

I can tell you one thing, that would be a pretty damn boring site.

Uh what does F2P or P2P or B2P have anything to do if game is MMO or not? Nothing.

Guild Wars? Which one? GW1 like Arena.net said themselves is not an mmorpg, GW2 will be.

 

Lineage: Eternal ?  Is there info atm if this game will have persistant world?

Having 'actiony' or even hack& slashy feel does not matter if game is MMO or not.

Actually what type of combat or even if game have combat at all does not matter if game is MMO or not.

D3 and Skyrim - well D3 is multiplayer and Skyrim is single player game, how do you want fit single player in MMO I have no idea lol

 

You're true about one thing. This is your opinion.

 

Boring site? Well opinion ;p

 

Well I do hope I find myself site that is focused on mmorpg solely, I would want this kind of "boring".

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11/16/11 12:16:11 PM#39
Originally posted by bartoni33

I stopped reading and dismissed everything you wrote at "Guild Wars".

You are one of "Those". Therefore your perceptions on what MMO's are cannot be valid.

Good effort though.

...Not like I want to derail this entire thread, but I have to respond to this..

 

While GuildWars is a solid game...it is NOT a MMORPG, "MMO stands for Massivly Multiplayer Online" Guild wars didn't get the memo about massivly.

 

And yes I have played it..to quite an extent, but a lobby that holds 50-100 people and then a "world" that you play in with 4-7 people is not "massivly"

 

If Guild wars is a MMO, then so is BF3 and halo..

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11/16/11 12:19:23 PM#40
Originally posted by Dewm

While GuildWars is a solid game...it is NOT a MMORPG, "MMO stands for Massivly Multiplayer Online" Guild wars didn't get the memo about massivly.

Neither did Mortal or Darkfall or a host of others, despite GW outselling all of them combined?  What's your point?

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