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General Discussion  » Poll should Ghostcrawler be sacked over MOP ?

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  StoneRoses

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10/29/11 10:19:33 AM#21
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor
Originally posted by Paradigm68

I'm sorry did it launch and cause massive sub cancellations already?

Very difficult to say .The only thing we can go on at present is Blizzard felt like it needed to make an anouncement that this expansion wasn't a joke which is pretty unpresidented for any expansion in the history of mmorpgs . Can anyone else recall something like that happening before ? Logically it suggests there either have been very large numbers of cancelations or its a responce to the storm of criticsm its caused . Not only on this site but all over the web . ( and I gather in the WoW forums themselves if some comments in these forums are to be believed ) . It probably is a mix of the two .

It also begs the question at what point would MOP be considered to be a faliure ?  Half the sales of the last expansion maybe ? still pretty profitable yes but it would be cause for concern and raise questions about Gregg Streets abilitys and his fitness to do his job amongst the share holders .

Personally I think sales will be well down on Cataclysm but I think theres enough people so invested in WoW that there will be some degree of success but maybe not enough to keep Ghostcrawler safe in his position .

I think he will have to step down before the end of 2012 .

 

Sales

Cataclysm sold more than 3.3 million copies in the first 24 hours of its release including digital presales, and 4.7 million copies in its first month of release.[26][27][28] It holds the distinction as the fastest selling PC game, overtaking the former holder World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King which sold 2.8 million copies in its first 24 hours.[27] It also holds the record for the most number of copies sold for a PC game in the first month.[28] In the UK, the game placed 3rd on the "Top 10 Entertainment Software (All Prices); Week Ending December 11, 2010" behind Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision) and FIFA 11 (EA Games).[29]

 

WTF you talking about Wllis?

  Asheram

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What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

10/29/11 10:20:00 AM#22
Originally posted by Majinash
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

 Mists of Pandaria has caused a huge amount of negativity on the internet .

Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, thats what the internet is for:  Negativity, porn and lolcats.

Yes and to add to that,everyone that screams the loudest over it are automatically the majority because they made the loudest scream right?

  solarine

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10/29/11 10:22:33 AM#23

On topic, it's none of our business and this sort of poll is in really bad taste. 

Off topic, Paradigm68, awesome avatar there. Blade Runner all the way. :) 

  StoneRoses

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10/29/11 10:24:06 AM#24
Originally posted by solarine

On topic, it's none of our business and this sort of poll is in really bad taste. 

Off topic, Paradigm68, awesome avatar there. Blade Runner all the way. :) 

Gasp! I want one.

  JudgeUK

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Joined: 10/15/11
Posts: 647

10/29/11 10:31:06 AM#25

If he can survive the Cata mess when the exit doors started revolving, then Kungfu Panda's shouldn't be too much of an issue for his Blizzard paycheck.

He obviously has the backing of the board to continue with this strategy. It seems pretty obvious that they have identified the far eastern market as their growth strategy - business in business and knowing the asian love of mmos, this seems a pretty good move.

It will disappoint some people, but since when have wow changes pleased everyone? 

 

Judge's verdict - everybody was Kungfu fighting, those Pandas fast as lightning.......

 

 

  just1opinion

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10/29/11 10:34:18 AM#26
Originally posted by Majinash
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

 Mists of Pandaria has caused a huge amount of negativity on the internet .

Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, thats what the internet is for:  Negativity, porn and lolcats.

 

Great summation of the internet. 

 

On topic: On the poll I answered "no."  I don't ever wish anyone's job away.  That's one of those kinds of things where karma could come back and teach you a lesson.

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  Nephaerius

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Posts: 1373

10/29/11 10:34:27 AM#27
Originally posted by JudgeUK

If he can survive the Cata mess when the exit doors started revolving, then Kungfu Panda's shouldn't be too much of an issue for his Blizzard paycheck.

He obviously has the backing of the board to continue with this strategy. It seems pretty obvious that they have identified the far eastern market as their growth strategy - business in business and knowing the asian love of mmos, this seems a pretty good move.

It will disappoint some people, but since when have wow changes pleased everyone? 

 

Judge's verdict - everybody was Kungfu fighting, those Pandas fast as lightning.......

 

 

I've seen a lot of people saying this so I've got to wonder if you think that any non-Asia based company that puts out an Asian themed expansion is "going after the Asian market?"  I guess that's what AoC was doing when they put out the Khitai expansion.

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  Asheram

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What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;)

10/29/11 10:49:19 AM#28
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by JudgeUK

If he can survive the Cata mess when the exit doors started revolving, then Kungfu Panda's shouldn't be too much of an issue for his Blizzard paycheck.

He obviously has the backing of the board to continue with this strategy. It seems pretty obvious that they have identified the far eastern market as their growth strategy - business in business and knowing the asian love of mmos, this seems a pretty good move.

It will disappoint some people, but since when have wow changes pleased everyone? 

 

Judge's verdict - everybody was Kungfu fighting, those Pandas fast as lightning.......

 

 

I've seen a lot of people saying this so I've got to wonder if you think that any non-Asia based company that puts out an Asian themed expansion is "going after the Asian market?"  I guess that's what AoC was doing when they put out the Khitai expansion.

Because we all know that anything Asian themed is only enjoyed by the Asian market, its not like martial arts(movies,athletes,martial arts gyms,mixed martial arts fightclubs like the UFC) ever really became popular anywhere but in Asia or something right?

  nyxium

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Joined: 3/15/09
Posts: 1198

Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

10/29/11 10:53:53 AM#29

I wouldn't wish a sacking on anyone, not being that kind of person. Karma bites back. Right on the ass.

  Kost

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10/29/11 10:55:50 AM#30

Absolutely not.

I'm no fan of Greg Street, and there is definitely no doubt that his direction has harmed the game more than it has improved it, but he doesn't deserve to be fired because of MoP.

If anything, he deserves to be fired for his blatant favortism of Warriors ever since he took over. I'm obviously joking, but the point is that if Blizzard were going to terminate him they would have done it already, especially considering all the fuel he has poured directly onto raging fires over the years.

  Scalebane

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10/29/11 10:58:42 AM#31

Hey OP since Metzen is the lead guy that comes up  with the lore and all that and greg street just works mostly on talent trees and such i'd say no...i want to use harsher language because i hate stupid people but i'll be nice this time.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  Danbacca

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Joined: 1/19/10
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A world of knowledge at our fingertips but yet we are still so ignorant.

10/29/11 11:02:28 AM#32
Originally posted by Rusty715

Everyone is just now leaveing WOW? I thought everyone was going to leave when engineers gained the knowledge to tinker helicoptors. And any  that didnt left because of dungeon finder. And then the ones that were left were all leaving due to Cata. So now everyone is really leaveing again?

Great post haha.

WoW subs are like a hydra, where one sub is cut off, two more will replace it.

Yeah ,I watched Captain America recently :)

  idgarad

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Joined: 7/22/09
Posts: 175

10/29/11 11:03:11 AM#33
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Love it or hate it the facts are Mists of Pandaria has caused a huge amount of negativity on the internet . In the event the expansion underperforms in terms of units sold should Greg Street be fired from his job as lead systems designer of World of Warcraft .

The simple fact is that there are too many people involved in the expansion to single one out. If you think it is a bad idea then there are well over 20 people that need to be held accountable.

Making mistakes isn't something you fire people over, it's no learning from them that get's you fired. Everyone makes mistakes, from the CEO to the mail room. You invest a lot in employees, you don't toss them to the curb. Dozens of people were involved in the new expansion being green lighted. Those people were confident enough in the expansion to bring it to market.

Your opinion at this point does not outweight dozens, if not hundreds of professionals working on the expansion. When the expansion finally launches, then we'll see who deserves a paycheck and who is blowing hot air.

  WhiteCross

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Joined: 6/12/04
Posts: 120

10/29/11 11:03:18 AM#34

He sure should be.

I felt that way after Cata came out.

Talents were streamlined for Cata and he still couldn't get it right. I remember when the Hunter community had to tell him how the Hunter mechanics worked on the boards. After the boards show him how the specifics worked (I cant remember exactly what the subject was) he corrected it.

 

Now, talents of so basic and fundemental, it has become a joke.

More time to margaritas in the afternoon for him. All while the game just goes down the "stupid" road.

They need someone there who is more committed.

  Sovrath

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10/29/11 11:05:28 AM#35

No of course not. I don't believe in taking away a person's livelyhood for a mistake.

And regardless that he is the head of development, he is not the head of the company. I'm sure there are checks and balances so that he can't do anything he wants.

If it does poorly then they need to have a meeting and really discuss the direction of their game.

I highly suspect that it won't do as poorly as people would want. My guess is that the majority fo wow players won't care.

  nerovipus32

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10/29/11 11:06:29 AM#36

Blizzard don't make good games but they have a great marketing strategy.

  User Deleted
10/29/11 11:12:03 AM#37
Originally posted by nerovipus32

Blizzard don't make good games but they have a great marketing strategy.

Marketing gets you to buy or try something. It doesnt explain why so many play and have played the game for years.

  User Deleted
10/29/11 11:16:58 AM#38

He and Chilton should have never become lead designers, Chilton destroyed UO and Greg Street is a pvp maniac at heart, his removing of MMOG like features over the years is the best example.

The guy should have been sacked long ago right now I don't think Blizzard cares too much about WoW anyway, their best developers are working on the ultra dumbed down game known as p. Titan.

I know many hope he will get sacked but its not gonna happen, just look at all his nerfs/buffs the guy can basically do what he wants and no one at Blizzard cares, which is really sad. 

  User Deleted
10/29/11 12:55:48 PM#39

No, he should be sacked for a lot of other reasons though.  He is personally responsible for horrible changes to a game he still does not understand.  Changes that usually have the exact opposite impact on the game than he said they would.  He should also be fired for talking about said game with horrible understanding of the mechanics he's responsible for and then feeling hurt when players had to correct him.  So hurt that he now only talks down to said players from his ivory tower of a blog.

  OkhamsRazor

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OP  10/29/11 1:07:49 PM#40
Originally posted by idgarad
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

Love it or hate it the facts are Mists of Pandaria has caused a huge amount of negativity on the internet . In the event the expansion underperforms in terms of units sold should Greg Street be fired from his job as lead systems designer of World of Warcraft .

The simple fact is that there are too many people involved in the expansion to single one out. If you think it is a bad idea then there are well over 20 people that need to be held accountable.

Making mistakes isn't something you fire people over, it's no learning from them that get's you fired. Everyone makes mistakes, from the CEO to the mail room. You invest a lot in employees, you don't toss them to the curb. Dozens of people were involved in the new expansion being green lighted. Those people were confident enough in the expansion to bring it to market.

Your opinion at this point does not outweight dozens, if not hundreds of professionals working on the expansion. When the expansion finally launches, then we'll see who deserves a paycheck and who is blowing hot air.

Yes actually it is something you fire people over if they are in charge . It depends on how big the mistake is and how damaging it is .

At the end of the day no one will probably fire Greg Street but if things go badly then pressure on him to resign will be such that he will have no other option . A bit like Richard Nixon in Watergate for example . He jumped before he was pushed .

Pandagate . (joke).

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