Originally posted by SnarkRitter

Originally posted by Xzen

Isn't Rift doing well?

Not really, Full servers were common 1 month after launch, fast forward 3 months Trion had to shut down nearly a half of the servers by making them into "trial" servers, now "Full" server is hardly seen even on weekend. So in short, RIFT's dying a slow death.

That's one opinion.

Rift seems to be doing fine to me.  They way over built servers on launch day and have suffered from a predicable spreading out of population.  They had a huge launch, a predicable drop in population the first month, now it seems to be slowly gaining back players over time with new content and word of mouth.

Rift made a mistake releasing so many servers on launch.  That doesn't mean it's a dying game.

SW:TOR could do a lot worse than follow Rift's launch.

Originally posted by udon

That's one opinion.

Rift seems to be doing fine to me.  They way over built servers on launch day and have suffered from a predicable spreading out of population.  They had a huge launch, a predicable drop in population the first month, now it seems to be slowly gaining back players over time with new content and word of mouth.

Rift made a mistake releasing so many servers on launch.  That doesn't mean it's a dying game.

SW:TOR could do a lot worse than follow Rift's launch.

Eh, perharps I should mention that a month and a half to 2 months ago "Full" servers were uncommon but still not that rare, fans were still bragging about "Full" servers during primetime, now "Full" servers are nowhere to be found, and fans are bragging about "High" servers during prime time. So yes, I think it's suffice to say that RIFT's dying a slow death.

Don't mistake me for a RIFT hater, I do like RIFT(mostly because of Trion's dedication) but I'm not going to lie.

1 of the main reasons this game WILL NOT fail is: the star wars franchise has the biggest fan base in the world and it only grows every day (if you don't count the ones who died in the mean time). You can try denying it, but you'd have do face the facts sometimes.

People who don't like this game are just scared of it doing well because everyone else will be playing and loving it and they'll still be all emo because they aren't "part of the masses."

It's just like WoW...

It's totally cool to hate on WoW because you are one of the few people not playing the game.

So everyone busts out the crystal ball and tells us TOR is going to fail or some other garbage because they don't want to play it, not because it will actually do poorly.

I've seen this thread... 3,987,492,874 times over the past 3 years.

No when ever wins, we all just waste a lot of time.

Originally posted by korent1991

1 of the main reasons this game WILL NOT fail is: the star wars franchise has the biggest fan base in the world and it only grows every day (if you don't count the ones who died in the mean time). You can try denying it, but you'd have do face the facts sometimes.

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

Originally posted by korent1991

1 of the main reasons this game WILL NOT fail is: the star wars franchise has the biggest fan base in the world and it only grows every day (if you don't count the ones who died in the mean time). You can try denying it, but you'd have do face the facts sometimes.

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

Yep, because it can't compeete with SWTOR, and since having 2 games would mean loss of money for SWG and LA they've decided to shut it down. Why'd you think it's shutting down just a little less than a month before SWTOR release date? :)

And for a sandbox game it had a really long run thanks to the fans.

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

Originally posted by korent1991

1 of the main reasons this game WILL NOT fail is: the star wars franchise has the biggest fan base in the world and it only grows every day (if you don't count the ones who died in the mean time). You can try denying it, but you'd have do face the facts sometimes.

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

after being online for 8 years....

This is like the 50th copy of the same thread on this site...

Please people, read about the game before you post. If you don't like everything you see, fine. Don't play it.

Originally posted by Silax

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

after being online for 8 years....

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

Originally posted by korent1991

Yep, because it can't compeete with SWTOR, and since having 2 games would mean loss of money for SWG and LA they've decided to shut it down. Why'd you think it's shutting down just a little less than a month before SWTOR release date? :)

And for a sandbox game it had a really long run thanks to the fans.

I don't know, I believe that from what I've read, SWG wasn't doing so hot before the news of getting shut down. Also there's a little MMO called Clone Wars Adventures, I don't remember ever reading the news of it getting shutdown.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Silax

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

after being online for 8 years....

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

 

Milking fans that wouldn't lose hope of eventually seeing a "classic" server one day does not equal a "huge success".

Far from it.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by BadSpock

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

Milking fans that wouldn't lose hope of eventually seeing a "classic" server one day does not equal a "huge success".

Far from it.

I don't think SWG survived all of this time on hope and dreams.

People actually still very much enjoyed the game and continue to play and sub for years, obviously.

But believe what you will.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Silax

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

I believe that I've read somewhere that Star Wars: Galaxies is shutting down this november.

after being online for 8 years....

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

 

Milking fans that wouldn't lose hope of eventually seeing a "classic" server one day does not equal a "huge success".

Far from it.

That depends on your point of view (SOE vs. the subscribers)

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by BadSpock

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

Milking fans that wouldn't lose hope of eventually seeing a "classic" server one day does not equal a "huge success".

Far from it.

I don't think SWG survived all of this time on hope and dreams.

People actually still very much enjoyed the game and continue to play and sub for years, obviously.

But believe what you will.

 

I agree with this statement. The majority of people that I know that played SWG wasnt playing just the game, but were there for roleplaying and creating there own stories with in th SW universe that the game offered.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by BadSpock

SWG was online AND with a sub fee for 8 years...

That's pretty much a huge success.

Milking fans that wouldn't lose hope of eventually seeing a "classic" server one day does not equal a "huge success".

Far from it.

I don't think SWG survived all of this time on hope and dreams.

People actually still very much enjoyed the game and continue to play and sub for years, obviously.

But believe what you will.

 

Some people most definitely did continue to play because they enjoyed the game, no doubt about that.

However, that still doesn't qualify it as a huge success, especially when there is so much contradictory evidence that proves otherwise.

Anyways, we're getting off topic, this thread isn't about SWG.

Really there's only 2 reasons I'll be getting this game:

1. It's Star Wars...I have Star Wars bed sheets for crying out loud...in my attic :P

2. It's BioWare.  I have almost every single BioWare game since Neverwinter Nights (original was better, but BioWare's is still fun and I play it every once in awhile.)

Originally posted by Kost

Some people most definitely did continue to play because they enjoyed the game, no doubt about that.

However, that still doesn't qualify it as a huge success, especially when there is so much contradictory evidence that proves otherwise.

Anyways, we're getting off topic, this thread isn't about SWG.

It is very relavent as we are talking about the pull of the Star Wars brand.

What evidence?

Because many people left due to the NGE/CU and such?

Enough people stayed and continued to support the game and pay their monthly fee to keep the game running for 8 years.

That's pretty much the definition of success in this genre, no denying that.

Originally posted by korent1991

1 of the main reasons this game WILL NOT fail is: the star wars franchise has the biggest fan base in the world and it only grows every day (if you don't count the ones who died in the mean time). You can try denying it, but you'd have do face the facts sometimes.

But is not enough, If the MMO doesnt have quality content, it will fail and it doesnt matter if we are talking about a star wars mmo or not, but good for us, swtor will have an insane amount of quality content, and thats why  we wont see that game fail

Originally posted by BadSpock

That's pretty much the definition of success in this genre, no denying that.

That's subjective, I've made a thread about this subject on this website about a year ago and more than half of the votes didn't agree with your definition of success.

Originally posted by Gravarg

Really there's only 2 reasons I'll be getting this game:

 

1. It's Star Wars...I have Star Wars bed sheets for crying out loud...in my attic :P

2. It's BioWare.  I have almost every single BioWare game since Neverwinter Nights (original was better, but BioWare's is still fun and I play it every once in awhile.)

 When Jedi can't become Sith after picking up enough dark side points the "It's Star Wars..." sounds quite hollow. It would be too much work to really make it feel like Star Wars. The combat at lower level doesn't feel like Star Wars at all, there is some hope for high level combat but after huttball I'd say not much.

That leaves "It's Bioware". Let's hope it's enough of a story to keep the train going.