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  Rogosh

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10/07/11 1:30:48 PM#21

If swtor is trash like I am hearing, Rift will be around a long time. Gw2 really isnt competion for rift wow or swtor as it does not have a subscription and has no end game. Most people I know will be playing gw2 with at least 1 other subscription based game.


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  BadSpock

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10/07/11 1:31:09 PM#22
Originally posted by Struggs


Originally posted by BadSpock


Originally posted by Requiem6

BlizzCon is coming, and a new expension too. If they do it good this time, maybe WoW will kill even more other games.



Funny I believe the same thing, the next WoW expansion is probably going to be the "make it or break it" point for the game's future considering everything happening in 2011/2012.
I'd almost love to see WoW announce F2P in 2012! at Blizzcon along with new expansion and just give a big F U to the entire MMORPG genre.

That would be interesting but wouldn't Blizzard fans be wanting a F2P version of the next big MMO Blizzard will probably announce in the next year? Once an company starts rolling out F2P (especially with such a successful game) won't its customers expect that to become their typical business model? Myabe its a good thing maybe its not... Just bringing up convo bored at work.

Honestly, Blizzard could take WoW to F2P and then charge 15$ a month for Titan and people would not complain one bit. Hell, they are going to legalize RMT in Diablo 3 and that game will sell millions and probably win half of this industries accolades and awards...

 

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  Naral

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10/07/11 1:31:15 PM#23

Literally every single person I play RIfts with, including me, is leaving when SWTOR comes out. Every. One.

That is a guild with about 25 people in it, and that, I expect, is not uncommon.

The problem is, Rift doesnt offer anything WoW and SWTOR don't offer. There is a real small world, with a lack of depth (my opinion, but shared by quite a few). Don't get me wrong, I like the game and I play it. But I am playing it to kill time until SWTOR, then GW2 come out. Odds are at that point, I will never look back.

I suspect I am not the only one.

  Illyssia

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10/07/11 1:31:34 PM#24
Originally posted by Nomis278

I want some of what Lars Buttler has been smoking.

I think they have a couple  of hundred thousand subs. Problem with Rift is it just isn't next gen mmo so it doesn't blow away WoW, and consequently I doubt that the suits that run Blizzard are worrying. Actually I think GW2 will kill off Rifts player base and make it go free 2 play model, it is next gen and a fantasy MMORPG.

  Xthos

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10/07/11 1:37:55 PM#25
Originally posted by Naral

Literally every single person I play RIfts with, including me, is leaving when SWTOR comes out. Every. One.

That is a guild with about 25 people in it, and that, I expect, is not uncommon.

The problem is, Rift doesnt offer anything WoW and SWTOR don't offer. There is a real small world, with a lack of depth (my opinion, but shared by quite a few). Don't get me wrong, I like the game and I play it. But I am playing it to kill time until SWTOR, then GW2 come out. Odds are at that point, I will never look back.

I suspect I am not the only one.

 

I stopped playing 2 months ago, I agree, the world seems very small and railed. I felt I didn't have many options for play, when I logged my max level guy in.  I mean the game is good for what it is, but I am biased and like more sandbox in my games as a bias...So I am probably going to play swtor, but I am very skeptical that it may not do it for me...I am more excited about GW2 and thw WvWvW....I hope I am pleasantly suprised by swtor though, I always hope a game is great...I am a player, I want something to play that I really like (haven't had that since I left Vanguard, due to lack of development).

 

  Struggs

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10/07/11 1:38:04 PM#26


Originally posted by BadSpock


Originally posted by Struggs




Originally posted by BadSpock




Originally posted by Requiem6

BlizzCon is coming, and a new expension too. If they do it good this time, maybe WoW will kill even more other games.




Funny I believe the same thing, the next WoW expansion is probably going to be the "make it or break it" point for the game's future considering everything happening in 2011/2012.
I'd almost love to see WoW announce F2P in 2012! at Blizzcon along with new expansion and just give a big F U to the entire MMORPG genre.



That would be interesting but wouldn't Blizzard fans be wanting a F2P version of the next big MMO Blizzard will probably announce in the next year? Once an company starts rolling out F2P (especially with such a successful game) won't its customers expect that to become their typical business model? Myabe its a good thing maybe its not... Just bringing up convo bored at work.


Honestly, Blizzard could take WoW to F2P and then charge 15$ a month for Titan and people would not complain one bit. Hell, they are going to legalize RMT in Diablo 3 and that game will sell millions and probably win half of this industries accolades and awards...
 

Good point on the RMT with Diablo I forgot about that. Yea you could be right.


Side note. Any company who underestimates their competitor small or large, Trion, Blizzard or Bioware etc alike will eventually get burned. I'm sure they see every game as some type of threat and to state other wise is just trying to put up a front.

  Himshim

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10/07/11 1:40:37 PM#27

 


According to a new interview with IndustryGamers.com, Trion's Lars Buttler, Rift has been the "most competition that WoW has ever had".


 


Further, Buttler doesn't see the December launch of Star Wars: The Old Republic as a serious threat to Rift's place in the MMO space:


 


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LOLWUT. Well that's a big load of crap i've seen on here in awhile. Trion is no even competition for Blizzard and futhermore, they're in much competition with SWTOR because it's also going to heavily impact Blizzard. If Blizzard is not at all threatened by Trion, then therefore Trion will possibly suffer heavy casualties as well as Blizzard losing a possible 15-25+ % of their playerbase the first month. Based on how well the game does the first few months is whether they will return their playerbase numbers back up, or slowly decrease overtime. But there will always be a group of peopel whom enjoy Fantasy over Scifi. 


  Requiem6

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10/07/11 1:45:26 PM#28

I personally don't see WoW going F2P anytime soon, since they still make so much money.

And even if they lose 1-2 more million sub, they would still have 8-9M subs, which is the highest of all MMO.

Plus the mount are selling REALLY WELL.

 

Titan won't come out before 2013-2014 that's for sure.

 

Rift will go F2P before WoW, that's 100% sure.

But I agree that the next expension will be a big piece in the puzzle. Let's just see when and how it will be.

I'm really interested to see what will come out from the Blizzcon.

 

On the subject, I think Trion find themself way better than what they really are. They want to compete with EVERY big name, but so far they failed, and I don't see that changing, since they come up with nothing new at all. It's sad to see.

  Zefire

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10/07/11 1:47:59 PM#29

These guys are sick.They released the second worst mmo after ffxiv and they keep talking about their fail game.Well yeah they forgot diablo 3 as a threat


  ThomasN7

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10/07/11 1:50:09 PM#30

Rift by far is more fun than The Old Republic. Rift should be more concerned with Guild Wars 2 and The Secret World.

  Coldren

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10/07/11 1:51:32 PM#31

I personally enjoyed Rift a lot more than WoW, and I had been playing WoW since vanilla closed beta. Lots of reasons why, but I'm sure it's all been said before.

That being said, I have no interest in STWOR - Much like WoW, and now Rift, it looks like all they're doing is taking what's out there, refining it, and adding a small twist. Not to say it won't be good, but it just holds absolutely no appeal to me.

I unsubscribed from Rift, not because I was bored or didn't enjoy it, there's just too many single player games coming out that I simply want to play more with a limited amount of time. Skyrim, Diablo III, Kingdoms of Amalur.. Those games alone are going to eat every free second of time I have. And until they come out, I have a backlog of PS2 and PS3 games I've never even taken out of their packaging.

  snoop101

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10/07/11 2:08:41 PM#32

SWTOR=WOW in space. I was really hoping for just an updated galaxies, but then realized with all the console gamers now playing MMO's that it will never happen. SWTOR looks pretty, but I dunno if it will offer much to the MMO industry.


  just1opinion

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10/07/11 2:13:38 PM#33
Originally posted by Nomis278

I want some of what Lars Buttler has been smoking.

 

AGREED.

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  Nethermancer

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10/07/11 2:14:48 PM#34

I came back to Rift for a month just to screw around for a bit. The amount of guilds that are moving to SWTOR is ALOT. Trion should be scared unless they are going F2P

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  xSagai

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10/07/11 2:24:51 PM#35

Interesting reading all the "WoW has nothing to worry about" comments. I must have missed where Lars said Blizzard better be worried. Trion has a clear roadmap on all their games and have gained a foothold and established themselves as a developer that cares about their community. Rift was polished at release albeit a bit shallow and I expect End of Nations and Defiance to be just as polished upon released. Gamers will play polished games assuming the devs are responsive to their feedback. Years of WoW may have left us a bit tired of the whole "experience", but it is clear Trion is doing something right.


The Trion hating is tired. If a dev\publisher never thinks they have what it takes to have a seat at the table they never will. Props to Lars and Trion, the industry IS better by having them in the mix.


  popinjay

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10/07/11 2:28:16 PM#36


Originally posted by just1opinion


Originally posted by Nomis278
I want some of what Lars Buttler has been smoking.


 
AGREED.


I think he gets the good stuff because maybe he's from Switzerland, Holland or some Denmark or something.

Must be pretty good stuff to make claims like this.

  Asamof

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10/07/11 2:37:10 PM#37

Originally posted by Nomis278

I want some of what Lars Buttler has been smoking.



 


 


  popinjay

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10/07/11 2:38:02 PM#38


Originally posted by xSagai

Interesting reading all the "WoW has nothing to worry about" comments. I must have missed where Lars said Blizzard better be worried. Trion has a clear roadmap on all their games and have gained a foothold and established themselves as a developer that cares about their community.



I think it's because Trion has been trying (unsuccessfully) to engage Blizzard in a PR war from the start.

Trion has constantly be bringing up the WoW name whenever it could.

From the television "We aren't in Azeroth ads" for three months to internet interviews like this:

Trion Claims Rift Stole WoW Subscribers, June 2011



"The hint was actually a tongue-in-cheek comment by Trion's senior VP , David Reid during an interview with Gamasutra. "We're really pleased with what we're seeing," he said. "And beyond that, it was a pleasure to see that in the latest Activision Blizzard earnings call, they inquired about Rift when Blizzard announced that their subscriber numbers went from 12 million to 11.4 million.

"You can do some math... We know very well where those 600,000 people are."

Blizzard ignored that and just about everything since. Blizzard realizes if it just says "Trion" or "Rift", Trion will put that on their bulletin board as a "score" so they choose not to say anything.

That put Trion in the position of doubling down when they need to replace the subs they just lost after this six month expiration.


So recap, when Trion launched they went after Blizzard subs to fill their ranks, now that the game lost many six month subs, they went "back" to WoW to try and replace them with more.

Of course it's not 600k like they claimed, but Trion needs to get at least 100-200K subs from WoW to stay "successful" and they know this very well.


It's funny because all the 'true RIFT fans' always tell the WoW people there "go back to WoW" when they complain about things in RIFT, yet their company goes OUT of it's way to get more to replace them.

  Serelisk

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10/07/11 2:49:35 PM#39
Originally posted by Rogosh

If swtor is trash like I am hearing, Rift will be around a long time. Gw2 really isnt competion for rift wow or swtor as it does not have a subscription and has no end game. Most people I know will be playing gw2 with at least 1 other subscription based game.

Guild Wars 2 doesn't have raiding. Raiding =/= end game. Guild Wars 2 has the title system, activities, 8 dungeons with 3 explorable modes each, and replayable content due to level scaling including 100 player open world dragon boss fights. Neither of us have played through Guild Wars 2, but I don't think saying there isn't an end game is accurate.

  Dracondis

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10/07/11 3:10:26 PM#40

WoW is losing steam on its own, not because of any pathetic upstarts like Rift.  Trion has no clue what they're doing, and they're following the formula of rushing people to end-game to get them raiding progression as fast as possible.  They had the potential for a great story to be told and for players to have some level of personal investment in the game, and they blew it.  I played long enough to get 1 character to 50, but raiding killed my interest  faster than a thong on a 500-lb woman.  It's not shiny enough to kill WoW, but it is the most serious competition they've had in a long time.


Games I'm waiting for:  GW2 and Neverwinter.  SWTOR doesn't factor in unless I start seeing a bit more from them.  Right now... not so much.


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