Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by artemisentr4

Originally posted by SaintViktor

 

 Oh please , almost anyone can see GW2 is leaps and bounds superior than what TOR will be offering but there is only the small handful of TOR fans that will think otherwise. Thats more than ok though! :)

Hahahahahah!!!!!!! Stop, you are killing me. Have you seen the GW2 2D VO that just reads the text to you like you are an idiot? The fact that there are 3 different worlds for different play? The fact that it is just a port and play game for instant gradification of pew pew? Dynamic events that are just mob spawns to kill with a boring combat set up with the AoC dodge thrown in? The events that just cycle over and over again that again you just port to and pew pew?

 

I wanted to play GW2, but the videos make it look very boring and nothing I would spend money on. So go ahead and run back to your 'precious', you can have it. I will enjoy TOR and all it will give me in my gaming entertainment I am looking for.

 

 

You can look forward to and be a fan of Swtor, but if you're already putting down GW2 and laughing at it, you've likely got such bad taste that it has me seriously wondering if Swtor is going to be even worse than many already suspect. 

 

Seriously liking Swtor is one thing and there's nothing wrong with that, but to laugh at GW2?  Yea, Im sure you wont be the only one laughing.  Anet will be laughing right along with you.  All the way to the bank.   They're totally breaking the mold, while Swtor is stuffing itself nicely inside it. 

 

And if GW2 changes the industry?  Games like Swtor will become irrelevant faster than you can blink.  So enjoy it while you can. 

Firstly,  GW2 isn't going to change the industry in any different way then how its already changing.  Nobody is going to create GW2 clones,  and nobody is going to create SWTOR clones.  Everyone will be creating games with features that were implemented in GW2 and SWTOR.  These similarities will shape how games are created from here on out... cloning of one game or another --- not so much.

Simply put the above arguments on GW2 and SWTOR, and the laughing, its all retaliatory.  GW2 has good and bad in it as well,  and no game is perfect.  I have played SWTOR,  I have preordered it,  and I have things I don't like about it too.  Nothing will be 100% perfect for everyone,  but those who can only enjoy 1 game... or can't let these games coincide without one being a winner and the other a loser...  those people are idiots,  and these games will launch - they will still be here complaining about the next round of games, regardless how good GW2 or SWTOR does, or how badly they "fail". 

Originally posted by Corehaven

 

 

You can look forward to and be a fan of Swtor, but if you're already putting down GW2 and laughing at it, you've likely got such bad taste that it has me seriously wondering if Swtor is going to be even worse than many already suspect. 

 

Seriously liking Swtor is one thing and there's nothing wrong with that, but to laugh at GW2?  Yea, Im sure you wont be the only one laughing.  Anet will be laughing right along with you.  All the way to the bank.   They're totally breaking the mold, while Swtor is stuffing itself nicely inside it. 

 

And if GW2 changes the industry?  Games like Swtor will become irrelevant faster than you can blink.  So enjoy it while you can. 

I don't think he's laughing at GW2, he was laughing at the statement he was quoting.

Second what is up with the idea that because one game is different, all games will be different? I think it's somewhat silly to think both styles can't co-exist.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by Candomble

Originally posted by Hendo0069

Originally posted by SaintViktor

 

BTW we shall see how GW2 will deliver all those revolutionary promisses they're making, but that will be a different chapter.

 

 Oh please , almost anyone can see GW2 is leaps and bounds superior than what TOR will be offering but there is only the small handful of TOR fans that will think otherwise. Thats more than ok though! :)

Lol, we shall disagree. Btw, I have played both games. Granted my playtime on GW2 has been limited. However, my guild is going to SWToR for a reason.  

Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by Terranah

 

Yawn. Or not. The fact that the majority of people who playtested seemed to like what they played, while only a handful who are so burnt out that they can only enjoy MMO gameplay that 's completely different from what they played before didn't, says enough I think. To me, it looks like some people lack the ability to grasp that tastes and gaming preferences differ and mileage can vary, and that if they don't like something, that doesn't mean that the whole world doesn't like that something or even the majority dislikes it

A case of common sense and logic to me, which sadly is often quite lacking on this site, looking at the daily forum debates passing by.

 Considering that I was a tester for little over a month you're not telling me anything that  I don't already know. Also there is no way to tell if the majority in beta liked it or not. That is clearly subjective and an assumption on your part.

I got a chance to play with a few guildies for the Beta. Your opinion was different than ours. Most of us are serious pvpers who also like pve thou. We will all be there for early access still. I am hopeful that bioware will not neuter the game for a few whiners.   

    You must've had the same kind of experience I did.  I feel the same way.  Shortest 3 days I've ever seen, still waking up wanting to play.

I am a huge SW fan. I pre-ordered the game. I can't wait to play it. I have no doubt I will enjoy it.

I also, put money down at games stop already to pre-order GW2 when it goes on pre-order. I have never play GW1 well a trial recently and actually didn't care for it to much.

However, I have done my research on both watched videos, read forums etc. I feel both will offer great things and that since one is P2P and one is B2P I can enjoy both for a while to come.

I don't understand the fanboi bashing either, I hope it doesn't show up in either game. I also quesiton why I read the forums often. I guess its bc every now and again you get some good convo if you can filter the crap, sometimes you get some hilarious responses and sometimes you get some good articles form the writers.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

The problem is that fans have to get over that "I'm a fanboi" mentality and really look at what we're getting here and how it is being done. Sure, I'm a fan of many titles but seriously I leave my fanboi mentality at home when I post on forums. If you look at what TOR is offering and what has been done before there is very little distinction at all since Everquest. I'm also a big Star Wars fan and I was not impressed at all. I cancelled my pre-order and got Mass Effect 3 instead.

So you just cancel a pre-order of a Bioware game to buy another Bioware game?. you know that TOR is a MMO right?, and  im not sure what is this ¨innovation¨ that people really wants, at this point it doent matter ill be playing tor in december.

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Originally posted by hikaru77

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Originally posted by SaintViktor
The problem is that fans have to get over that "I'm a fanboi" mentality and really look at what we're getting here and how it is being done. Sure, I'm a fan of many titles but seriously I leave my fanboi mentality at home when I post on forums. If you look at what TOR is offering and what has been done before there is very little distinction at all since Everquest. I'm also a big Star Wars fan and I was not impressed at all. I cancelled my pre-order and got Mass Effect 3 instead.

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So you just cancel a pre-order of a Bioware game to buy another Bioware game?. you know that TOR is a MMO right?, and  im not sure what is this ¨innovation¨ that people really wants, at this point it doent matter ill be playing tor in december.

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I find that pretty fun as well not to mention isn't the game set to release even later then SWTOR, I haven't followed ME3. I'm sure if I could chose to play a SRPG vs a MMORPG with their single player qualites implemented in the story telling I would choose the MMO, especially when its from the same company and its released first. Thats just me.

I played SWG for many mounth, had a great time... the beginning was very hard. Started as a poor Droid crafter and ended as  a rich weapon mogul with an own city. But in the end it was also boring... did the same things everyday, glad that I was not stupid enouth to work to unlock the Jedi.

The fact is that everything gets boring with time, so I enjoy everything new.

If you are referring to WoW as the 800lbs gorilla I do believe that gorilla has lost some weight and is looking more and more famish. I think TOR will take over the number one spot. Just as I mention before in prior post.

Originally posted by Isturi

If you are referring to WoW as the 800lbs gorilla I do believe that gorilla has lost some weight and is looking more and more famish. I think TOR will take over the number one spot. Just as I mention before in prior post.

Maybe for about 2 months then the masses will start to fade away...... Far far away ....... Onto the next console game.

Originally posted by Mari2k

I played SWG for many mounth, had a great time... the beginning was very hard. Started as a poor Droid crafter and ended as  a rich weapon mogul with an own city. But in the end it was also boring... did the same things everyday, glad that I was not stupid enouth to work to unlock the Jedi.

The fact is that everything gets boring with time, so I enjoy everything new.

Comparing SWG to SWTOR is liking comparing Daggerfall to Baldurs Gate 2. One is more sandbox like, the other is more story, drama, dialogue choice, character (aka cinematic) focused.

And for the people complaining about more control in their story. You can either have a completely tailored, personal and non-movie like story or you can have a slightly tailored, somewhat personal cinematic like story. It's either one or the other. You can either have your sandbox or you can have your cinematics. One or the other, not both.

I love both techniques but whichever it is it should be done well.

SWTOR though, for a game that has put the RPG back in mmoRPG, it has a lot of grumpy bitter haters. How can you spend time on a website called MMORPG and not like an MMO that has moved the MMO genre forward in terms of the RPG? I get that some people love the combat, combat, combat in their pvp MMOs. And some love the sim, sim, sim aspect of their sandbox type MMOs. But what about the RPG part?

Originally posted by BlackUhuru

Originally posted by Isturi

If you are referring to WoW as the 800lbs gorilla I do believe that gorilla has lost some weight and is looking more and more famish. I think TOR will take over the number one spot. Just as I mention before in prior post.

Maybe for about 2 months then the masses will start to fade away...... Far far away ....... Onto the next console game.

 

Gonna hold you to this prediction.  Lets discuss this again in February and see if the "masses" have actually faded away from SWTOR.  I have a feeling you will be disappointed, Nostradamus.

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by BlackUhuru

Originally posted by Isturi

If you are referring to WoW as the 800lbs gorilla I do believe that gorilla has lost some weight and is looking more and more famish. I think TOR will take over the number one spot. Just as I mention before in prior post.

Maybe for about 2 months then the masses will start to fade away...... Far far away ....... Onto the next console game.

 

 

Gonna hold you to this prediction.  Lets discuss this again in February and see if the "masses" have actually faded away from SWTOR.  I have a feeling you will be disappointed, Nostradamus.

 

 

Since he doesn't give you specific numbers and those can be hard to get, he can pretty much get away with it unless the game sells like hot cakes.  You need to get him to nail down specifics that can be measured and verified.

Originally posted by precious328

I personally feel like we have went backwards.

 

SWG (before Jedi) was a Star Wars game for the adult, e.g., player driven economy, gigantic worlds with player housing, player cities, player malls, superior crafting, in-depth surveying and harvesting, endless clothing options, deep space content, randomized item stats, incentives to use the social tools (cantinas / med centers) etc.

Most everything about SWG was self-sustaining. There was always something to do.

SWTOR, however, is a Star Wars game for the youth. It has story (not yours of course), which will ultimately come to an end. And what of end-game? Can I start a store? Can I plant a house? Can I go off and explore gigantic worlds? Can I go dicken' around in my starship? Can I plop down a guild hall? Can I do anything other than talk to quest giver, collect bear paws, and participate in redundant instanced PvP (Warzones)? NO.

 

SWTOR is so tied down and linear it's not even funny.

Funny, most adults don't have time for the game you describe as an "adult" game.  Maybe you should have said "unemployed/highschool/college student" game.

I'm coming up on 30.  When I was in college and highschool, I wanted SWG.  Now?  I don't have time for that shit, and neither does any other adult w/ any sort of responsibilites.

Originally posted by BlackUhuru

Originally posted by Isturi

If you are referring to WoW as the 800lbs gorilla I do believe that gorilla has lost some weight and is looking more and more famish. I think TOR will take over the number one spot. Just as I mention before in prior post.

Maybe for about 2 months then the masses will start to fade away...... Far far away ....... Onto the next console game.

 

Sorry I'll have to disagree. I feel very strong about my opinion that TOR will take over the number one spot and not just for a few month but for a long time to come why?

1. There has been a huge fan base for Star Wars alone since '78

2. there has been a huge fan base for KotOR since '03

3. Gamers are freaking sick of blue skin elf and orcs.

4. A Sci Fi MMO is relatively new a few has tried and died but not do to lack of fan base (Tubla Rasa)

5. Other Sci Fi MMO's (EVE) have pretty much leveled out.

6. Only other major contender to a Sci Fi MMO is WildStar but that is still in the works.

7. Bioware

8. WoW has been losing player base for some time now and if the keep cramming x-patch down players throats they will lose even more. I promise I probably will never go back to WoW. Been there done that and I am sure im not the only one who feels this way.

Anywho those are just a few facts that I can think of why TOR will be number one and I dare say in 2012.

I'm not convinced that SWTOR will take over the #1 spot from WoW.  At least not right away.  WoW just has too much history going for it.  But I do know SWTOR is going to be HUGE, and may eventually take over that spot  if BioWare can churn out enough content and if Blizzard continues to be lazy on their end.  

Originally posted by Whacko

We will see ...but seriously these articles are getting redundant.

 

i agree  i get  the  writers work is make articles but is like it is getting old  to talk about  what  would happen or  we hope to happen...players  discuss these things on daily basis on forums no need for a article for that imho

Christ, if TOR

1)gets a good healthy playerbase

2) becomes a game that appeals to a lot of players that go on to enjoy it and keep playing it

3) Makes its development money back via sales and subs etc

4) Gets good content updates at acceptable levels

5) Comes out 'polished' and in a healthy state ready to play and maintains that... and so on.......

then how does it f****** matter what WOW , GW2 or any other game is doing?

They're different games that will be played by different people with different tastes, likes, dislikes etc.

Do you people really think anyone gives a toss whether GW2 is this, TOR is that, WOW has this many subs etc when they're

not playing those games or going to play them?

Seriously, some of you need to get over yourselves already before you really do permanent damage to the human gene pool.

You just have to laugh.

SWTOR is releasing. Developed by a 100% professional outfit based around a great IP.

Nothing else really matters. It is all about the now...