Originally posted by Gravarg

Cryptic did the same thing with City of Heroes.  They want me to buy mastermind again even though i bought every single expansion that CoX came out with, including City of Villians, which gave us mastermind...They're almost as bad as SOE now.

Just to clarify, CoH has been operated by Paragon/NCsoft for pretty long time, so its freemium model is not Cryptic's fault.

Originally posted by gary0515

Ok let me give you some background. I have not played Champions in 2 years. I had several avatars but my main was the only one maxed out at 50. I thought i would try it out to see how it was doing today. My account was still there, as were all my toons.

The problem happened when I could not play my main hero. It seems that I would have to pay with cryptic points to open that powerset again. Also this toon was maxed out when I last saw it, now its level 36. What this means to me is that I would have to pay cryptic again in order to play a toon I already paid for once before. This is not gonna happen.  I paid for the game full price once, I paid a monthly sub when it had one and now they want me to pay again for the powerset I already paid for once. I thought it was FTP, guess not really.

So to anyone from cryptic who reads this - I hope and pray you guys go broke and become unemployed. I am not gonna spend another dime on a game that wants me to pay for my characters more than once.

The Op speaks (well writes..) uninformed bullshit.  everyone knows that old pre-"f2P" character had no fixed powersets. it has power styles that you could mix and match the way you liked whitout many restictions (the only one being that you needed XX skill points in a sertain sstyle to pickup the more powerfull skills.  this goldmembership option is still avalible for subcribers but ftp players are locked into premade "classes" that means you can convert a old character into a f2p class but in order to keep the old build of mix &match skills you need to pay.

not that you would get the skills anyway since at frist login you would reset due to several changes to the power styles over the years.

Originally posted by minermarc666

Well champions is kind of a fail from the begaining Marvel saw that and pulled out ! I payed for the game my -self had a 50 that i can't use to so... i guess oh well.... broken Gmaes are sometimes not that bad if they go free2play but this one was for me ... i'm playing DCUO still it 's kind of broken  game :( also  unlike champoins you get all your powers watch i like!!!

Keep what you can carry ! Give nothing Back!

There are no level 50s in CO. The level cap is 40. Perhaps you are referring to another game.

Originally posted by minermarc666

Well champions is kind of a fail from the begaining Marvel saw that and pulled out ! I payed for the game my -self had a 50 that i can't use to so... i guess oh well.... broken Gmaes are sometimes not that bad if they go free2play but this one was for me ... i'm playing DCUO still it 's kind of broken  game :( also  unlike champoins you get all your powers watch i like!!!

Keep what you can carry ! Give nothing Back!

How are all these people getting level 50 characters when the maximum level is 40? I suspect none of these stories are true at all.

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

Either you have never played Cryptic's games or you work for them.

Originally posted by Kanester

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

 

Either you have never played Cryptic's games or you work for them.

or he's positing a hypothetical situation in which your hardliner attitude would be foolish in the extreme.

Originally posted by Kanester

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

 

Either you have never played Cryptic's games or you work for them.

Really, hahahaha! I certainly do not work for Cryptic. What a poor argument tactic.

I have played STO and CO just for your ignorance. STO was a horribly executed game IMO. CO is quite the opposite, I found it a fun, well-made, good game (though a little light on depth).

So anything else you would like to accuse me of? You did not address my question by the way.

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

There are very few absolutes I'm comfortable with declaring.  But the absolute:  "Any game Cryptic makes, regardless of IP, is a game I can live without" is one I can declare with the utmost comfort.  both their current games are based on IP's I love, and I don't feel the itch to play THEM, so I don't think skipping out on their next, and likely final game will be a tough call.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Wouldn't give that shi**y company Cryptic another penny.

So, if they came out with a game that was really awesome. You loved the IP, all your friends and enemies loved the game, best thing to hit the scene in a while, you would refuse it based on the company that made it? Very silly attitude. Everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to solve problems in the future.

There are very few absolutes I'm comfortable with declaring.  But the absolute:  "Any game Cryptic makes, regardless of IP, is a game I can live without" is one I can declare with the utmost comfort.  both their current games are based on IP's I love, and I don't feel the itch to play THEM, so I don't think skipping out on their next, and likely final game will be a tough call.

Robsolf, I am suprised that you said that. If any company fails in the past, it does not mean they will fail in the future. Look at someone like Walt Disney for example.

I went through the whole NGE thing with Sony. Sure it sucked, but it never made me rule out any games from them for my entire future. Why would I or anyone else deny themselves something they like, based purely on the company. I am sure people have what they consider to be valid reasons, but others would not see those reasons as valid. Just someone who is "hurt" and taking their ball home with them.

It really does not matter what company releases a game. All that matters is the quality of the product (all services/ features) included.

Yes, If Cryptic did make the best MMO I would play it. BUT, It's never ever going to happen, Do you actually think thats going to happen? STO was a pile of sh*t, thats the only way to describe the game, CO was fun, the same way playing Solitaire is. It's criminal to even ask for a sub after buying the game

I was looking forward to CO for a long time, Cryptic ruined it. The fact it's FTP proves it.#

I'm just lucky I didn't fall for the Sub for life, If i did id be knocking on Bill Ropers door.

Originally posted by Kanester

Yes, If Cryptic did make the best MMO I would play it. BUT, It's never ever going to happen, Do you actually think thats going to happen? STO was a pile of sh*t, thats the only way to describe the game, CO was fun, the same way playing Solitaire is. It's criminal to even ask for a sub after buying the game

I was looking forward to CO for a long time, Cryptic ruined it. The fact it's FTP proves it.#

I'm just lucky I didn't fall for the Sub for life, If i did id be knocking on Bill Ropers door.

 

Well I am glad you ar not made of stone. I have no idea whether they could make the next best thing. I don't make bold predictions on the future. I do know that most people tend to learn from their mistakes (not always though).

CO is quite fun. It does lack depth, but it is a refreshing change from the oversaturated fantasy market. The game going FTP does not prove Cryptic ruined anything. It proves they wanted to go with a different revenue model, that is all.

Soltaire: Can you level up, can you use super powers, can you customize anything, can you group up with others, what rewards to you get, how much does it give you in terms of content, etc. Please pick something that you can actually compare. I mean it's like saying driving a car is the same as sitting on a bench.

I don't know about the company being evil, though from what I've read on the forums they are actually making sto worse with the transition of f2p, making this game worse would be an impressive feat no doubt aided by black magic.

CO uses a pretty horrible ftp model though imo, even funcom with there AoC freemium model gives you axcess to classes you made before that are not free to play. I was surprised when I redownloaded AoC and saw I had made a Necro (forgot all about it) and I could play him. Because I already had the character I did not need to pay extra to unlock him.  In lotro I purchase moria back when the game was still sub based, when it went f2p I did not have to rebuy the class so I could play my Runekeeper.

After I saw the of powers and the fact that I could play none of my 4 CO characters without converting to silver I uninstalled the game, the game was not worth a sub to me however had they not gimped so much of the character creator system for f2p I may have played enough to justify buying something. Cryptic is a fan of the double dipping system to begin with box+sub+cash shop.

Originally posted by Zenjinx

Originally posted by Kanester

Yes, If Cryptic did make the best MMO I would play it. BUT, It's never ever going to happen, Do you actually think thats going to happen? STO was a pile of sh*t, thats the only way to describe the game, CO was fun, the same way playing Solitaire is. It's criminal to even ask for a sub after buying the game

I was looking forward to CO for a long time, Cryptic ruined it. The fact it's FTP proves it.#

I'm just lucky I didn't fall for the Sub for life, If i did id be knocking on Bill Ropers door.

 

Well I am glad you ar not made of stone. I have no idea whether they could make the next best thing. I don't make bold predictions on the future. I do know that most people tend to learn from their mistakes (not always though).

CO is quite fun. It does lack depth, but it is a refreshing change from the oversaturated fantasy market. The game going FTP does not prove Cryptic ruined anything. It proves they wanted to go with a different revenue model, that is all.

Soltaire: Can you level up, can you use super powers, can you customize anything, can you group up with others, what rewards to you get, how much does it give you in terms of content, etc. Please pick something that you can actually compare. I mean it's like saying driving a car is the same as sitting on a bench.

My reasons are my reasons why I would never give Cryptic another Penny. All they want is your money, They make crappy games and charge a sub too. Their MMO's don't last long, then they make another one just as bad. They don't listen to what people want, it's just Money Money Money with them.

Startrek could have been an amazing game, LAZY LAZY programing made it diabolical, What a waste of an IP.

Now I've told you why I don't like them, I bet you can't give me more reasons why I Should play their games.

but the problem isnt that they cant make a good game the problem as i see it is the crap they do make has shown them to be just about as much money as they can milk out of a crappy game that was cheap to make and even cheaper to oversaturate an already overly saturated market

can they make a good game maybe but track record shows everything they crank out turns to shit fast

I didn't know game companies could be evil. Was cryptic involved in human and drug trafficking, bombing buildings and things like that? what did i miss?

Originally posted by Supersoups

I didn't know game companies could be evil. Was cryptic involved in human and drug trafficking, bombing buildings and things like that? what did i miss?

Bifurcation.  Good/Evil.  A false dichotomy adopted by most of humanity since (at least) the 3rd century B.C.

Originally posted by Omali

Originally posted by Nesrie

Originally posted by warmaster670

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

I think you are overlooking the fact that MMO companies typically don't charge players twice for content they already purchased, even whe4n they go F2P. This is indeed scammy.

No it isn't. If he'd cancelled his subscription before, he wouldn't have access to any characters on his account. Now that the game has gone f2p he needs to subscribe to access certain content. How is that a "scam?"

It's 'scammy' because he paid for the original game, expansions and content while the game was subscription-based, and had a character that was level 60 or whatever. The argument here is not that he would have had to pay a sub in order to play the content anyway; it's that he basically has to re-purchase the game in order to continue on his character, because none of the content is available as F2P.

People who have bought the original game while subbed should have the content from the original game and whatever expansions unlocked for them, then everything else can be purchasable in the cash shop.

Originally posted by Kanester

My reasons are my reasons why I would never give Cryptic another Penny. All they want is your money, They make crappy games and charge a sub too. Their MMO's don't last long, then they make another one just as bad. They don't listen to what people want, it's just Money Money Money with them.

Startrek could have been an amazing game, LAZY LAZY programing made it diabolical, What a waste of an IP.

Now I've told you why I don't like them, I bet you can't give me more reasons why I Should play their games.

Frankly, I don't care what your reasons are. But I do care whether or not there is any validity to those reasons.

You told me why you don't like them. You are talking about their present offering, I was talking about future development. You were also saying "I would never give them another penny". That is fine, but it refers to the future, not the present.

As far as money, money, money. That is what every single for profit company is concerned with. Name one company that is not interested in your money. It really is a moot point. You don't have to pay anything beyond the sub.