Ok let me give you some background. I have not played Champions in 2 years. I had several avatars but my main was the only one maxed out at 50. I thought i would try it out to see how it was doing today. My account was still there, as were all my toons.

The problem happened when I could not play my main hero. It seems that I would have to pay with cryptic points to open that powerset again. Also this toon was maxed out when I last saw it, now its level 36. What this means to me is that I would have to pay cryptic again in order to play a toon I already paid for once before. This is not gonna happen.  I paid for the game full price once, I paid a monthly sub when it had one and now they want me to pay again for the powerset I already paid for once. I thought it was FTP, guess not really.

So to anyone from cryptic who reads this - I hope and pray you guys go broke and become unemployed. I am not gonna spend another dime on a game that wants me to pay for my characters more than once.

Originally posted by gary0515

Ok let me give you some background. I have not played Champions in 2 years. I had several avatars but my main was the only one maxed out at 50. I thought i would try it out to see how it was doing today. My account was still there, as were all my toons.

The problem happened when I could not play my main hero. It seems that I would have to pay with cryptic points to open that powerset again. Also this toon was maxed out when I last saw it, now its level 36. What this means to me is that I would have to pay cryptic again in order to play a toon I already paid for once before. This is not gonna happen.  I paid for the game full price once, I paid a monthly sub when it had one and now they want me to pay again for the powerset I already paid for once. I thought it was FTP, guess not really.

So to anyone from cryptic who reads this - I hope and pray you guys go broke and become unemployed. I am not gonna spend another dime on a game that wants me to pay for my characters more than once.

point taken

Sounds a bit of a scam. But once again evil, hate, love etc., lets use these words where appropiate not at the drop of a hat.

Originally posted by warmaster670

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

I think you are overlooking the fact that MMO companies typically don't charge players twice for content they already purchased, even whe4n they go F2P. This is indeed scammy.

I see nothing Cryptic bad did here. They put out the f2p model months before launching it, they didn't lie at all. If you didn't read this and expect it to be sunshine and farts, I have no sympathy for you.

Originally posted by Nesrie

Originally posted by warmaster670

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

I think you are overlooking the fact that MMO companies typically don't charge players twice for content they already purchased, even whe4n they go F2P. This is indeed scammy.

Agreed.  The OP already unlocked said content.  This had to have been done before any changes were made.  So the changes should not include him.  They sliced his main into pieces and are asking for money to put said avatar back together again. 

Pretty low.  The OP is pretty worked up but anger is a powerful thing.  We've all had our moments.  He's venting but he also has a point.  Like I said....pretty low. 

CO was terrible when it was subscription based & is no less terrible now.

Cryptic are probably doing you a favour by driving you away from the game really.

I know how ya feel Gary.  A similar instance happened with me when LOTRO went F2P.  I have a lvl 60 Minstrel with the best gear one could get, and while I still have all that, when I returned I thought I'd play a new class since it had been over 1 yr when I last played.

I already paid for the primary game and Moria once, and over a year of sub fees, but to start a new character without paying a monthly fee, its required that I rebuy all the old content again in quest packs for each zone.  However, I actually like the way its set up, had I been a new player that never played before and just got the game client for free, but I already paid for all that and it should still be available to me, at least up to lvl 60.

When it comes to Mirkwood and the new Isengard content, I have no problem having to pay for that because I never bought it yet, but all the old stuff should be unlocked for me.  And I know I could play and earn points through deeds, but seriously with my main character, I already had every single one of them complete so I can't earn any points that way, and I don't really want to do that again on another char.

Anyway... {and yeah I know LOTRO is by Turbine and not Cryptic, but still...}

So you cancelled a subscription, and in order to play as it was before, you'd have to resubscribe?  Are there any subscription games that don't do this?  Cryptic also gives you the option to convert it to an archetype and play it that way without resubscribing, so if anything, that's a more generous offer than you could reasonably have expected when you quit before.

Also, your character was not level 50.  The level cap is 40.

You may have missed this, but if you subscribe again, you get access to everything you had before and then some.  Subscribing gives you access to freeform characters, as well as all of the archetypes, all of the content, and so forth.

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by gary0515

Ok let me give you some background. I have not played Champions in 2 years. I had several avatars but my main was the only one maxed out at 50. I thought i would try it out to see how it was doing today. My account was still there, as were all my toons.

The problem happened when I could not play my main hero. It seems that I would have to pay with cryptic points to open that powerset again. Also this toon was maxed out when I last saw it, now its level 36. What this means to me is that I would have to pay cryptic again in order to play a toon I already paid for once before. This is not gonna happen.  I paid for the game full price once, I paid a monthly sub when it had one and now they want me to pay again for the powerset I already paid for once. I thought it was FTP, guess not really.

So to anyone from cryptic who reads this - I hope and pray you guys go broke and become unemployed. I am not gonna spend another dime on a game that wants me to pay for my characters more than once.

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

lol truth hurts

but criedit to the op for agreeing and being civil for it.

On the subject yeah it sucks that, that is the case but hey they cant have a business model that everyone will like.

but yeah if it was me (and yes I do have a old champs account) I would not go back on that type of bus model

I want to see what companies do this besides cryptic. When LOTRO went F2P, if you paid for the expansions, if you had the orignal game, you did not have to pay for them again. It's that simple. If you had Moria before F2P, you had Moria afterward. They didn't take your characters, levels or anything away from you. It had nothing to do with whether you were subcsribing at the time ro not.

What is being described here is NOT the norm.

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Nesrie

Originally posted by warmaster670

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

I think you are overlooking the fact that MMO companies typically don't charge players twice for content they already purchased, even whe4n they go F2P. This is indeed scammy.

Agreed.  The OP already unlocked said content.  This had to have been done before any changes were made.  So the changes should not include him.  They sliced his main into pieces and are asking for money to put said avatar back together again.

If said content was merely part of the original subscription game, and not additional content paid for and unlocked by the OP, then it's right that he loses it if he has returned to the game as a F2P player.  The details of what the F2P game restrictions are have been available for many months and if the OP didn't trouble himself to read the details that's his problem.  What he seems to want is all the original content for free while he pays nothing for it just because he subbed to the game a few years back.  :D

The level drop is a bit puzzling though.

Yeah, CO has possibly the worst free-to-pay implementation I've seen, as it tends to seriously alienate past customers.  Basically, when you get past all the cash shop BS, they still want a subscription.  I'm not sure why these western MMOs go F2P, when they so clearly miss the point of it.  They should just do a free trial mode, since that seems to be more in line with what they're going for.

This isthe same mistake people make that think the goverment is evil.

Incompetence and evil just isn't the same thing.

Acting like this wont win any players back, (players back = good, Cryptic = bad).

But it seems like STO will be better since Perfect world is helping them with it, maybe they eventually will have a look on CO as well.

Originally posted by Khrymson

I know how ya feel Gary.  A similar instance happened with me when LOTRO went F2P.  I have a lvl 60 Minstrel with the best gear one could get, and while I still have all that, when I returned I thought I'd play a new class since it had been over 1 yr when I last played.

I already paid for the primary game and Moria once, and over a year of sub fees, but to start a new character without paying a monthly fee, its required that I rebuy all the old content again in quest packs for each zone.  However, I actually like the way its set up, had I been a new player that never played before and just got the game client for free, but I already paid for all that and it should still be available to me, at least up to lvl 60.

 

When it comes to Mirkwood and the new Isengard content, I have no problem having to pay for that because I never bought it yet, but all the old stuff should be unlocked for me.  And I know I could play and earn points through deeds, but seriously with my main character, I already had every single one of them complete so I can't earn any points that way, and I don't really want to do that again on another char.

 

Anyway... {and yeah I know LOTRO is by Turbine and not Cryptic, but still...}

Was about to give the same example as you gave, though it wouldn't apply for me since I'm a life-timer in LotRo (but not realy playing anymore since F2P).

I have to agree with both you and OP (and probably a lot of AoC players, and soon STo players as well),, that they bought the content back then, paid subscription to get their toons how they are now, and when the game goes F2P, you have to repurchase the content to be able to play your char. To me this is a scam indeed. At least those old sub games that go F2P should leave the toons (and their gear) that were converted from sub to F2P playable and as they were. All new toons made during F2P should have the content restrictions though...

Originally posted by Nesrie

Originally posted by warmaster670

 

First, it is F2P, just because you didnt bother to look up how it worked isnt cryptics problem, second, the fact that you wish harm on peoples families over a stupid videogame shows whos really evil here. And inc ase you didnt get that, its you.

I think you are overlooking the fact that MMO companies typically don't charge players twice for content they already purchased, even whe4n they go F2P. This is indeed scammy.

No it isn't. If he'd cancelled his subscription before, he wouldn't have access to any characters on his account. Now that the game has gone f2p he needs to subscribe to access certain content. How is that a "scam?"

Originally posted by gary0515

Ok let me give you some background. I have not played Champions in 2 years. I had several avatars but my main was the only one maxed out at 50. I thought i would try it out to see how it was doing today. My account was still there, as were all my toons.

The problem happened when I could not play my main hero. It seems that I would have to pay with cryptic points to open that powerset again. Also this toon was maxed out when I last saw it, now its level 36. What this means to me is that I would have to pay cryptic again in order to play a toon I already paid for once before. This is not gonna happen.  I paid for the game full price once, I paid a monthly sub when it had one and now they want me to pay again for the powerset I already paid for once. I thought it was FTP, guess not really.

So to anyone from cryptic who reads this - I hope and pray you guys go broke and become unemployed. I am not gonna spend another dime on a game that wants me to pay for my characters more than once.

1-Level cap has always been 40, never was it 50.

2-it is now F2P all toons are gold account toons if you are using an old subscription account. You have to turn them Silver wich yes poof goes that archtype and Free form if you do so, also costume pieces.

3- You could resubscribe and unlock it all aside from the new costume sets etc as a gold account or as you even stated purchase the archtype wich *gasp* is a lifetime unlock on a f2p game. You never PAID for the Archtype at all you paid for a subscription and the game, had you paid for it in the f2p model it would be unlocked. Just like WoW,EQ,EQ2(Extended) ya sub and then drop the sub you can't play it, ya pay the sub again and it's unlocked.

4-They're not going to go broke now that PWE has picked them up, yes their games are copies of themselves with new textures but the cash shops make money there.

5-You need to get a life and stop nerd raging over something as simple to understand as this it's buisness and you didn't conduct any buisness after your first cancelation of buisness. you get 80%(my own created number) of thecontent in CO for free and it is f2p you can choose wether or not to pay for the other things you may like.

To keep what you had when you were a subscriber you have to keep being a subscriber.

F2P is an alternate way to play the game if you don't want to pay monthly or at all, but it's not a way to be a subscriber without actually subscribing.

I was a subscriber before it went F2P and still am afterwards, not much has changed for me. They only gave the option of playing a limited version of the game for free.

Err ... do I understand this correctly ?

A guy played P2P and switched to F2P and complains he now has to pay for what he owned before ?

So why exactly did the OP not stay P2P ?

In my ears the whole thing sounds like you shouldnt bother playing P2P in the first place with that company. Just go F2P and you wont have to pay twice and multiple times.