My bad, I just relized I made a long post trying to be logical and ended up 2 timing myself.

Some previous posters stated  things already. The Jedi and Sith orders had pretty much restored themelves during this timeline. Not every jedi and Sith are bad-asses. Some have average use of the force and others are powerful and stand out AKA Darth Malgus and Satele Shan. If you also read the lore some jedi or sith were better at some things than others or had a specialized gift. Example: Anakin Skywalker was one of the best lighsaber duelists the order for his time, and Bastila Shan great grandmother of Satele shan was an expert in battle meditation. With billions upon billions of beings in the galaxy ther bound to be alot of gifted indiviuals in the force.

***Satele Shan asks for 5000 credit child Support from the Raving Rabbid! DDDAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!***

let's also not forget that during the Old Republic era, the general populace are used to dealing with force users. They have cortosis weapons and armor, and creative ways of taking down all but the most powerful Jedi and Sith.

The "Trilogy Mindset" needs to be put aside when dealing with the SW EU.

Originally posted by Kalfer

In Red Letter Media's excellent review of the new star wars films; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA

 

He goes to excellently explain that jedi loses a lot of their cool because they are being fan serviced way to much. In the original movies, you saw a lightsaber hear and there. in the new movies, they are basically parading them around, using them to scrap jawa butter on sand people bread. 

 

 

 

It is why I firmly believe that Ralph Koasters vision of a Star Wars MMO was hundred times cooler than this, because it had more layers, were this is more pure fan service. It will be an easy sell for a 13 year old, but I personally think that they are just hurting their IP. They don't know when to stop, when to cut back. 

 

Gamers often don't know what they are asking. they are not always supposed to get their fan service, they need to get what they need. 

Uhgg... I think that's some straight up hogwash, imagined by someone who can only see their own vision of Star Wars which they imagined in their head, not what was actually on screen.

Why did the 3 newer flms have more lightsabers? Because it took place at a time before they were all but killed off. Why does KOTOR have so many? Again it was during a time before they were all killed off.

I hated the prequels and remasters, but what you just said is pure hogwash.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Yamota

How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

Yes, you don't understand.

Hint:  Star Wars is a work of fiction.

Hint:  SWTOR is a video game not a sim.

Hint:  Gameplay > lore.

This is a work of fiction based on the SW IPso your first two points are moot.

As for gameplay > lore. Yes if you are not a SW fan but if you are then I dont see how you dont find it ridicilous with Jedis being nothing more than your standard storm trooper.

The points are not moot.  It's a video game.  They didn't make it your way so don't act all hurt over it.  The fact that you can't understand it is TMI.

This has been addressed to death.

In Swtor you play an elite level character. A character worthy of novels written around their journeys and accomplishments. That being said, it is a journey in development. Luke had no chance against Vader early in his life and even during their final confrontation he was still nowhere near Vader's power but with balance of personal rage and conflicts within Vader he managed to become victorious (although nearly falling to the dark side doing so).

During this exact time it could be argued that Boba Fett could take out Luke if a direct confrontation would have occured (other than real bad luck for Fett at that time). The most elite bounty hunters were solid challenges to the most worthy of heroes during that time too. Han Solo was very skilled but still relied upon dirty tricks, technology, friends and a hell of a lot of luck to get through most situations.

In the newer movies Jango Fett easily dispatched normal jedi and was a near even match for young jedi-master in Obi-Wan Kenobi and was only bettered by vastly more experienced masters and even then was thrown into a situation where he had no advantage.

In Swtor you are the best of the elite troopers, the best bounty hunter in the region (at least within your story line), or whatever up and coming master of your profession you choose. Just about the worst frame of mind you can take when walking into this game is one framed entirely from the movies. TOR is expanded universe material balanced as best as possible against canon material whilst still tweated heavily to work as an mmo.

If anyone has played the Star Wars roleplaying games (West End Games through Wotc) you would understand this perfectly. Any npc is a serious threat to you if at a higher skill level. TOR also is a time where force users are everywhere. Jedi, Sith and other force species/cultures are not entirely rare. What is rare are truly skilled warriors and it is these warriors us players are about to play.

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."

Seems to imply to me that there used to be quite a few of them...

Originally posted by BigGerty

I call this the Vader effect.  People think that because Vader was so badass, all Jedi and Sith must be badass....but this isn't the case.  Jedi were originally scholars with an above-average aptitude for combat.  Some, like Vader (or Anakin), would specialize in combat and become the best of the best.  But put an average Jedi or Sith against a trained combat team of troopers, bounty hunters, or assassine droids...they would most likely fail.

Also, Jedi weren't always trained from childhood.  In the SW lore they would train anyone they could find that showed some semblance of ability with the force.  This only changed after the war with the Sith (which is the time period of the game), since it was found children were easier to manipulate and keep on the correct path, hence, stopping another rise of the Sith (or trying to at least).

Either way...I think Bioware has done as good of job as can be expected, keeping close to the SW lore, while making a playable (and hopefully fun) MMO.  Plus, looking at a galaxy of trillions of people and species containing, what...two-three million Jedi and Sith...its not too hard to believe.

 

(Spent childhood reading every SW book published...I know...sad :))

 

 

 Something else the OP clearly doesn't seem to get, is that force users weren't the only people trained from birth. You had mandolorians, bounty hunters, mercenaries, troopers, etc.  But it doesn't really matter how many times we pointt out the flaws in the OP's premise, because having an actual discussion wasn't  the purpose of this thread.

There are many Jedi and Sith... very few Masters.

Jedi does not mean super-awesome-amazing-bad-mamajama.  They can die just as easily, as many of my fellow posters have pointed out.  Stop being a Red Shirt Guy and enjoy the game for what it is and will be... amazing.

SWTOR = KOTOR3

If you didn't like KOTOR, see ya later then!  Stop bothering the rest of the crew.  Go be a fanboi somewhere else.

The game will be a polished, refined gem when it releases.  Don't believe it will be bug-free; no game ever is.  However, I'm confident in the KOTOR series, and I can't imagine this game will disappoint.

If you truly believe in your "Jedi" (and I know you do, fanboi), learn patience young padawan.  Stop harshly attacking this game before it's even released.

Originally posted by BadSpock

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."

Seems to imply to me that there used to be quite a few of them...

You nurd lol...

That was all before the dark times. Before the Empire.

I just wonder what all the Sith people are going to think because we all know the Sith Empire loses the war and for thousands of years only two ever live at a time, in secret.

So day one of SWTOR you've already lost Sith Empire, so lawls?

Meh, haters gota hate someting,  Tghe motion pictures is what started it all, but the IP/LORE was already far more adv then what we seen in the movies. remeber that the first movies were the middle section , original there supose to be 9 , but he desited to make jsut 3 and later a other 3 that explained how the jedi become so rare while under "normal" times a jedi /sith is not a rare thing at all. 

the sith are a spiecies, not a "bad guy"  it became the general name since it was the sith that were so darn good at using the science magic named The Force. besites the Jedi, and Sith, there plenty of other groups and spiecies that are Force-sensitive.

Nightsisters being a known exsample.. the movies are great but asfar exsamples they are bad reference material  and vastly outdated by all the actual data that makes up the starwars univerce.

Originally posted by BadSpock

I just wonder what all the Sith people are going to think because we all know the Sith Empire loses the war and for thousands of years only two ever live at a time, in secret.

So day one of SWTOR you've already lost Sith Empire, so lawls?

 

I guess that explains where the same sex relationships come in huh?

:P

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by BadSpock

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic."

Seems to imply to me that there used to be quite a few of them...

You nurd lol...

That was all before the dark times. Before the Empire.

"A young JEDI named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the JEDI knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the JEDI are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the Dark side of the Force." hehe

Originally posted by Yamota

How does that make any kind of sense seeing as in the movies Jedis were these gifted and elite warriors who were trained from a small child?

And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?

I am sorry but, if this is really the case, it is absurd. I dont understand how a SW fan would be able to become immersed in such a virtual world with any John Schmoe running around like a Jedi Knight.

Sure anyonce CAN be a Jedi but a lot of people are not.  I for one will be going Bounty Hunter!!!

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

.. because...

They already tried a Star Wars MMO where you could be a moisture farmer?

It's all Star Wars lore, folks.
There were thousands of Jedi in The Old Republic. It makes sense that there would be lots of Jedi. SWTOR is lore-friendly, so were KOTOR1+2.

However, in the time when SWG was taking place during the Dark Empire after the invasion of the True Sith, almost all Jedi have been hunted to extinction. It made sense that Jedi was hard to obtain and made it heresy when SOE started whoring out their Jedi class to the undeserving masses, completely violating lore.

"And they are supposedly no more powerful than other non Jedi classes?" -OP
Non-Jedi classes are just as powerful as Jedi. Jedi are not weaker, everybody else is stronger.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Kabaal

Every potential Jedi becomes a Jedi *rolleyes*.

IN the context of an MMO what does this even mean?

Imagine if Luke Skywalker wasn't snaped up by Obi Wan but was instead taken under the wing of Boba Fett.