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  Ceridith

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9/13/11 4:47:10 PM#101
Originally posted by robert4818
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by mad-hatter

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

Hmm why are most gankers rogue-types who can stealth then and choose when to fight, as in when no one is around to actually challenge them?

Odd...

If they were so bad ass and powerful, shouldn't they roll a class/character type that can't hide but is as big and physical and intimidating as possible?

a "BRING IT ON" type rather then a "i'm scared of the light" type yes?

Lets also not forget that these are the same people who exploit the system so as to minimize their own risk.

In Darkfall, they don't just gank newbs, they jump in front of newbs fighting monsters so that the newb accidentally hits them, flagging them grey instead of blue.  This way they can gank without a problem.

These are the guys in darkfall running around stark naked except for a cheap sword killing newbs, so that when they eventually die, they don't lose anything of value, but steal everything from the newb.

The exact same things, to the letter, happened in UO over a decade ago.

I guess some things never change, lol.

  User Deleted
9/13/11 4:48:13 PM#102
Originally posted by Slukjan
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

 

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

 

Big words?  Where?  Where did he use big words? lol  Maybe someone should pay more attention in English class and less attention to PvP games. People who enjoy inflicting pain on others, in whatever form (mental or physical), have some sort of mental problem themselves.  Find a psychologist or psychiatrist that DISagrees with that.  Good luck.

 


I do not enjoy inflicting pain on people in real life...however...in a virtual game...I admit to having fun ganking helpless lowbies.  Does that mean I have mental problems?
 


Some people will disagree with me, but I would not be so bold as to say that you have mental problems. I have to give you SOME credit/cool points for saying that you don't enjoy inflicting pain on people in RL. Also, that's pretty ballzy admitting to having fun with the ganking, in a mostly anti-ganking thread. Granted, I don't really get how people have fun with this, I'm against it with every fiber of my being, but I feel like I have to tell you (and you, specifically), to each, his own.

  User Deleted
9/13/11 4:50:48 PM#103
Originally posted by Laughing-man

The quote reminds me of WoW how even PVP servers have starter zones where you can't be killed unless you flag yourself for PVP...

I don't see the fuss

Not all games have this same option on pvp servers.

  itchmon

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9/13/11 4:51:59 PM#104

if the newb gankers didnt chase people away from their game by their assholery, then they wouldn't be able to complain to the dev team that their game is low on people....

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  Najwalaylah

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9/13/11 4:52:04 PM#105



Originally posted by robert4818
Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

Speaking as one who enjoys a good bit of virtual hunting of the Most Dangerous Game, it is not integral to anything but jealousy at best and sociopathy at worst.
 

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  User Deleted
9/13/11 4:52:17 PM#106

Carebears taking over PvP servers where you lose nothing now?! *lol* seriously this genre does so need a complete wipe and restart.

PvP has lost its way since the golden days the FPS influence and especially crowd has been unbelievabe bad for this genre as a whole.

So obviously I don't get the thrill playing o na pvp server cause you lose nothing, no danger but if someone IS playing on a pvp server and at the same time complaining about ganking, I say gank him harder till he or she quits or joins a pve server.

 

  twstdstrange

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9/13/11 4:54:21 PM#107

I don't find ganking newbs fun, to me that's a cowardly act; killing those who can't defend themselves. It provides no challenge, and there's no real reason to do it unless you just want to piss people off.

I only kill others (outside of instanced PvP areas) when they attack me first, and when they're the same level as me. Otherwsie I just let others go about their business, I'm never really out for blood, but I do enjoy getting jumped every now and then... Unless it's by a gank squad, and they swarm onto you like a pack of wolves, which is also rather cowardly.

  fansede

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9/13/11 4:58:37 PM#108
Originally posted by DerWotan

Carebears taking over PvP servers where you lose nothing now?! *lol* seriously this genre does so need a complete wipe and restart.

PvP has lost its way since the golden days the FPS influence and especially crowd has been unbelievabe bad for this genre as a whole.

So obviously I don't get the thrill playing o na pvp server cause you lose nothing, no danger but if someone IS playing on a pvp server and at the same time complaining about ganking, I say gank him harder till he or she quits or joins a pve server.

 

 

The game to become involved with then is Salem.  

  Goatgod76

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9/13/11 5:00:23 PM#109
Originally posted by twstdstrange

I don't find ganking newbs fun, to me that's a cowardly act; killing those who can't defend themselves. It provides no challenge, and there's no real reason to do it unless you just want to piss people off.

I'm never really out for blood, but I do enjoy getting jumped every now and then... Unless it's by a gank squad, and they swarm onto you like a pack of wolves, which is also rather cowardly.

And then they talk smack like they accomplished some great feat lol. So sad.

  User Deleted
9/13/11 5:10:29 PM#110
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by Varthander

Because some people are just so  either bad players or feel the need to be "powerfull" among something, both things are bad and both things taint them, true players face people equal or higuer to test their strengh, at least in mmo's, otherwise they are just lamers...

*ganks Varthander for his his 3k lower post count*

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Sorry just had to. I strongly disagree. In a war level isn't important. If there's an enemy out in contested territory, he must be destroyed whatever his level. Doesn't make me a lamer.

Lamers are griefers who purposely seek out lowbies and kill them repeatedly just because they can.

@Leoghan "I'm a big fan of - you went some place you shouldn't have been or weren't prepared for, you suffer the consquences."

Couldn't agree more.

 

Feel free to gank me as well, lol, but in an environment of "actual in-game war", I might be able to forgive something like this. I haven't played a game with this kind of setting, yet, but yeah...I could see this working to a degree. If the newbs, in this kind of setting, know all this from the get-go, then yeah...have at it. I'm not trying to be a hypocrite and hope I don't come off as one, but I doubt I could get angry if I knew I was getting PK'ed by an actual enemy faction. Just so long as it's, like you said, me wandering somewhere I shouldn't have, and not in the starting zones. I'm not sure I could personally do it to an enemy newb....might give him/her a chance to run, with a 5-minute head start, but someone ganks me in THIS type of setting, I get it.

  Laughing-man

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9/13/11 5:12:57 PM#111
Originally posted by ninjinkai506
Originally posted by Laughing-man

The quote reminds me of WoW how even PVP servers have starter zones where you can't be killed unless you flag yourself for PVP...

I don't see the fuss

Not all games have this same option on pvp servers.

True but many do have that, so why are so many freaking out like its something new?

you can't gank lowbies in Aion either, yet I don't remember anyone freaking out when that was announced.

Couldn't gank at all in DAoC...

Not sure why kicking new players in the teeth is an expected thing now.

  Kabaal

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9/13/11 5:15:17 PM#112

I only ever found it fun when doing it to the top enemy guilds when i knew they were on their new alts. Doing it to random people? There was no point. Doing it to certain people in enemy guilds? I'd do it all day long.

In general I dont miss it if not available as it was always just yet another way to hinder those who me and my fellows fought against on mains. I'd rather a game omit it than have it discourage new players, the supposed 'harcore' only make up a fraction of enjoyment when playing games. They are afterall games.

  Thane

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9/13/11 5:19:42 PM#113
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by ninjinkai506
Originally posted by Laughing-man

The quote reminds me of WoW how even PVP servers have starter zones where you can't be killed unless you flag yourself for PVP...

I don't see the fuss

Not all games have this same option on pvp servers.

True but many do have that, so why are so many freaking out like its something new?

you can't gank lowbies in Aion either, yet I don't remember anyone freaking out when that was announced.

Couldn't gank at all in DAoC...

Not sure why kicking new players in the teeth is an expected thing now.

let's say it this way:

* a skilled player will never look to kill a low - unless it's an enemy guild or sth similiar, lvl does not matter when you are SUPPOSED to kill :>

* seing pvp nowadays.... well, there are not many skilled players left as it seems *G* or i've gotten too good.

 

prob explains itself after those 2 statements (you are allowed to ignore the "yäi! ME!" part)

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  madjackred

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9/13/11 5:21:31 PM#114

It's simple: Ganking is for people who can't actually have fun unless they're ruining someone else's game.   Can't be happy making something, or even just having it, their only joy is derived from the knowledge they've taken something away from another player.  They'll cloak it in all sorts of Fart Polish and Turd Wax, like "It makes the game more interesting/realistic to have that risk."  But at the end of the day, it's simply that they're not content in honest competition with competant PvP players, they want to power trip over people who just want to be left alone.

Kind of like trolling... the internet environment allows them to mess with other people while protecting them from the real world consequences that real life bullying can win one, like a Class A Butt Whupping when the intended victim turns out to be tougher than the bully thought. 

Now, people who sign onto a PvP server should expect that as part of the game, so my sympathy there is limited. 

 

But what gets me a monkeybarrel of laughs is the would be gankers who encrap their mortal kombat underoos when they learn that this or that game won't allow ganking in a "whole world PvP setting."  They honestly seem to feel that they are the ones being persecuted by the "carebears" when they are denied what they view as their "inherent right" to gank newbies in the starting zone.  "Carebears ruined this game!  Waaaaaaaah..." when there are in fact zones or even whole servers where those interested in PvP can have at it to their heart's content.  It demonstrates that the Ganker isn't interested in competition, or they wouldn't be whinging on about how they can't pwn noobs and otherwise prove their virility in a manner which doesn't require real human interaction.

 

Now, to be clear, I'm not talking about PvPers who are only interested in a tussle with like minded players, for the competition or excitement, the righteous ones that are only interested in PvPing with other consenting players.  I have no issue with those players and respect them.  

I'm talking strictly about Gankers, who should really try kissing a real human girl, or boy, and maybe butch up enough to go to the Army or something where they can taste real competition and risk...

 

  twstdstrange

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9/13/11 5:26:53 PM#115
Originally posted by Goatgod76
Originally posted by twstdstrange

I don't find ganking newbs fun, to me that's a cowardly act; killing those who can't defend themselves. It provides no challenge, and there's no real reason to do it unless you just want to piss people off.

I'm never really out for blood, but I do enjoy getting jumped every now and then... Unless it's by a gank squad, and they swarm onto you like a pack of wolves, which is also rather cowardly.

And then they talk smack like they accomplished some great feat lol. So sad.

Exactly.

Speaking of which, one act I could never understand was t-bagging.

...It's like... really? Really? You didn't even fight me one on one.... really?

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  Teezed

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9/13/11 5:29:41 PM#116

It's a dick move. There's no other way to put it, attacking players who are just going about their business starting out in a new game, getting used to it when all of a sudden a max level player comes in and kills you, camps your body until you log out and try again later. 

 

There is no reason to attack lower level players other than trying to show them how amazing you are and to basicly, be a dick.

Personally I've only ever ganked players that have tried to gank my friends (That's such a fun thing to do, put your pvp on and go afk with a friend hovering above you, if they're assholes they'll try and kill you thinking your afk and it's an easy fight until someone drops down and 1 shots them for being a prick.) 

I've also killed players that have directly IGNORED me regardless of me trying to communicate to them via emotes, they'll just carry on or even better, they'll get cocky perhaps forgetting their PvP is on and make rude gestures at you. I've also had a lot of players who've been polite and acknowledged the fact that they're somewhere they shouldn't be with their PvP on and left. 

 

It's a mix really, the attitude I have towards it is usualy "Well they'd gank you, just kill them" Which 90% of the time is true and it's generaly shared amongst all players that if you've decided to go on a PvP server, you shouldn't cry if you get ganked (Although oddly most players on PvP servers actually chose NOT to gank players and only go for ones that might be either taking resources you need or harassing people questing etc. It's a sort of martial law and I like it)

 

Anyway back on track. I agree with not being able to go to starting areas and gank new players, it's a pathetic thing to do and you get nothing from it other than very little self worth, it's harassment because you can't fight back. You wouldn't like it if at max level you were doing a raid and out of nowhere someone came along and 1 shot you, started teabagging your corpse and spam emotes at you, just because you're starting out the game it doesn't make you of any less value as a subscriber than anyone else.

  User Deleted
9/13/11 5:51:47 PM#117
Originally posted by madjackred

It's simple: Ganking is for people who can't actually have fun unless they're ruining someone else's game.   Can't be happy making something, or even just having it, their only joy is derived from the knowledge they've taken something away from another player.  They'll cloak it in all sorts of Fart Polish and Turd Wax, like "It makes the game more interesting/realistic to have that risk."  But at the end of the day, it's simply that they're not content in honest competition with competant PvP players, they want to power trip over people who just want to be left alone.

Kind of like trolling... the internet environment allows them to mess with other people while protecting them from the real world consequences that real life bullying can win one, like a Class A Butt Whupping when the intended victim turns out to be tougher than the bully thought. 

Now, people who sign onto a PvP server should expect that as part of the game, so my sympathy there is limited. 

 

But what gets me a monkeybarrel of laughs is the would be gankers who encrap their mortal kombat underoos when they learn that this or that game won't allow ganking in a "whole world PvP setting."  They honestly seem to feel that they are the ones being persecuted by the "carebears" when they are denied what they view as their "inherent right" to gank newbies in the starting zone.  "Carebears ruined this game!  Waaaaaaaah..." when there are in fact zones or even whole servers where those interested in PvP can have at it to their heart's content.  It demonstrates that the Ganker isn't interested in competition, or they wouldn't be whinging on about how they can't pwn noobs and otherwise prove their virility in a manner which doesn't require real human interaction.

 

Now, to be clear, I'm not talking about PvPers who are only interested in a tussle with like minded players, for the competition or excitement, the righteous ones that are only interested in PvPing with other consenting players.  I have no issue with those players and respect them.  

I'm talking strictly about Gankers, who should really try kissing a real human girl, or boy, and maybe butch up enough to go to the Army or something where they can taste real competition and risk...

 


Well, just to be "fair", sometimes it's just easier to throw rocks (or launch them with a catapult) out of the glass basement of Mom's glass house. TBH, it would be neat to see a real-live census, taken of the MMO community, to see who folks are and what they're really about in RL. I don't mean using any real personal info like names, addresses, and whatnot, but very general demographic info. I know...that's asking a lot (people would be dishonest too), but it could be fun.

 

  jadedlevir

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Joined: 7/10/09
Posts: 639

9/13/11 6:13:45 PM#118
Originally posted by robert4818

SWTOR announced that you would not be able to make your way to the opponents starting world and gank starting players.  It did not say that they removed PVP, that it would only be instanced PVP, or that once someone left the starter planets (around lvl 20 or so) that you couldn't attack them.  ONLY that you you couldn't go and gank brand new toons.

Nerd rage followed from the PK community.

My question is WHY?

Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

I've played a lot of pvp games, and for  a long time, and in pvp games the two main reasons I've seen people do it were to:

1) Get higher level players to fight back. Alot of the time in pvp games, you'd kill a newbie( or ganking anyone tbh), he tells his friends, then you got a big battle. It happens in darkfall, it happens in MO, hell, it even happened in wow( which is not even pvp fucused).

2) It gives a sense of danger and therefore excitement. If your new, you'd want to be careful because a sith may jump out from the bushes and slice you in half. If your that sith, to get there you have to creep around enemy territory and fight in enemy grounds, and chances are your not going to get out alive, because higher level players will hunt you down eventually.

There are probably people that get a satisfaction from gibbing players in one hit, probably just a "i 1 shot this newb lololol" kind of thing, but being able to go and fight anywhere is just fun for pvp.If you've never gotten far into a really focused pvp game, you probably don't know, but it definitely adds a dynamic to pvp, and makes the world seem more alive.

Even in wow(about as far as you can get from "hardcore"), going to defend goldshire from horde raids was alot of fun (before they added azeroth flying).

 

Just to clarify: I don't gank noobs, I don't care about swtor or it's pvp rules, im just giving an explanation as to why this happens. A lot of open world Pvp fans don't like artificial safe zones.

  Neiko

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Joined: 8/07/06
Posts: 630

9/13/11 6:22:07 PM#119
Originally posted by BadSpock

It's the same reason people like to level up and go solo dungeons etc.

Many, many people simply do not like challenge and prefer to faceroll.

If somethings not easy it's not worth doing to them.

I honestly think there is nothing wrong with that, many people like to be entertained and have fun - winning is fun! and it is impossible to find the perfect balance of challenge vs. ease and fun because that balance is different for every body.

 

It's funny though, the people who usually say this kind of stuff about challenge and difficulty are also usually the ones who defend griefing and ganking practices....

But there couldn't be anything easier then taking candy from a baby right?

So they already don't make sense - thusly their "opinions" are usually nothing more then dick-wagging and compensation.

I, personally like to solo dungeons. Not that I want dungeons to be easy. I think I just grew up too much with Diablo and Diablo 2.

I'd solo through content unless I needed help. Then I ask in chat rooms/look for games doing similar content that I need help on. Kill boss solo once, do it again with groups if  I want to farm. The only time I really "played" with someone else is when I had a friend playing, or we had a party going. I had a lightning sorc, a friend had an elemental druid, and another had a necro. We all played those chars together, and progresed through D2 with eachother on those chars. When we wanted to play otherwise, we just picked up other chars until we could all play again.

I just really like games that let you solo just as easily as it lets you party. I guess I'm a social withdrawl in games (Hardly talk to anyone, and don't join groups unless I really want to/need to), but it's just how I enjoy games. Most of the times when I play with other people, they are all about rush through and kill the boss. I like to smell the roses a long the way, but usually by myself because no one else wants to smell the roses with me.

I remember getting back into WoW when wrath came out, my first instanced dungeon we wiped half way through, and two people already volunteered to go get their 80's and wipe the dungeon for us. When that happens I just quit the party because I don't want an 80 to clear a dungeon for me. That's getting stuff for doing nothing. I want to try it again with the party, hopefully go about it smarter and figure out why we wiped in the first place, instead of just giving up and rolling easy mode.

 

I guess I went on more of a rant than I wanted to, but I just kinda wanted to clear up the idea of soloing a dungeon. I just like to do stuff by myself or friends first, then pug it.

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  madjackred

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Joined: 9/11/08
Posts: 36

9/13/11 10:58:59 PM#120
Originally posted by ninjinkai506
Originally posted by madjackred

It's simple: Ganking is for people who can't actually have fun unless they're ruining someone else's game.   Can't be happy making something, or even just having it, their only joy is derived from the knowledge they've taken something away from another player.  They'll cloak it in all sorts of Fart Polish and Turd Wax, like "It makes the game more interesting/realistic to have that risk."  But at the end of the day, it's simply that they're not content in honest competition with competant PvP players, they want to power trip over people who just want to be left alone.

Kind of like trolling... the internet environment allows them to mess with other people while protecting them from the real world consequences that real life bullying can win one, like a Class A Butt Whupping when the intended victim turns out to be tougher than the bully thought. 

Now, people who sign onto a PvP server should expect that as part of the game, so my sympathy there is limited. 

 

But what gets me a monkeybarrel of laughs is the would be gankers who encrap their mortal kombat underoos when they learn that this or that game won't allow ganking in a "whole world PvP setting."  They honestly seem to feel that they are the ones being persecuted by the "carebears" when they are denied what they view as their "inherent right" to gank newbies in the starting zone.  "Carebears ruined this game!  Waaaaaaaah..." when there are in fact zones or even whole servers where those interested in PvP can have at it to their heart's content.  It demonstrates that the Ganker isn't interested in competition, or they wouldn't be whinging on about how they can't pwn noobs and otherwise prove their virility in a manner which doesn't require real human interaction.

 

Now, to be clear, I'm not talking about PvPers who are only interested in a tussle with like minded players, for the competition or excitement, the righteous ones that are only interested in PvPing with other consenting players.  I have no issue with those players and respect them.  

I'm talking strictly about Gankers, who should really try kissing a real human girl, or boy, and maybe butch up enough to go to the Army or something where they can taste real competition and risk...

 


Well, just to be "fair", sometimes it's just easier to throw rocks (or launch them with a catapult) out of the glass basement of Mom's glass house. TBH, it would be neat to see a real-live census, taken of the MMO community, to see who folks are and what they're really about in RL. I don't mean using any real personal info like names, addresses, and whatnot, but very general demographic info. I know...that's asking a lot (people would be dishonest too), but it could be fun.

 

That would be a hoot.  Kind of like Truth Checking Facebook.  The number of Genuine Navy Seals on various servers would dip dramatically I suspect....

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