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  Distopia

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9/13/11 2:10:05 PM#81
Originally posted by travdoty

{mod dit}

 

Anyway, let me ask you guys something. Are you all really so naive as to think that it really is impossible for someone to just have geniune fun with a mechanic that was purposefully coded into a game?

 

Another question: Why are gankers automatically assholes? Is it because they have caused you frustration in the past? 

{mod edit}

I have plenty of fun with FFA PVP I love laying in wait to gank gankers I see attacking noobs. So no it's not impossible that people enjoy the mechanic. What is ridiculous though is that they never understand why noobs don't like being ganked by players they have no chance of fighting. What's even more ridiculous? The fact they call those who don't like being ganked by those 20 levels above them cowards.

IMO Noob ganking is a sure sign of a bad game, or a bad player. Either A: the game has no top level pvp going on, or B: the player can't compete in their own range of PVP.

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  Ozivois

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9/13/11 2:11:36 PM#82

Its simple, there is too much pleasure in killing other players.  For many it's not about about the challenge it's just about getting a kill. It could be argued that it's actually more fun in-game to harass a noob then to fight a fair fight.   I think it's normal, healthy and dare I say manly for those players who indulge in this activity.  

I don't do pvp by choice but in the rare occasions I tried it I found it very exhilarating to pk, and I found killing even level players or lower level players equally satisfying.  I am not condoming any of this behavior because it is dishonorable, just trying to answer the OP's question.

 

  lizardbones

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9/13/11 2:16:59 PM#83


Originally posted by Ozivois
Its simple, there is too much pleasure in killing other players.  For many it's not about about the challenge it's just about getting a kill. It could be argued that it's actually more fun in-game to harass a noob then to fight a fair fight.   I think it's normal, healthy and dare I say manly for those players who indulge in this activity.  
I don't do pvp by choice but in the rare occasions I tried it I found it very exhilarating to pk, and I found killing even level players or lower level players equally satisfying.  I am not condoming any of this behavior because it is dishonorable, just trying to answer the OP's question.
 



How do you respond to the idea (it's not a fact, it's an idea) that when you kill a new player (not the same as a player who is a lower level than you) you are negatively impacting their game play experience?

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Vlad_Tepes

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9/13/11 2:21:15 PM#84

The ganker is just one of the many slices of the griefer pie. You see it in many different ways in many different types of games. 

I have seen it explained or justified in countless ways, some rude, some well thought out, some just quite frankly sad. In the end, it's really about having fun taking away anothers fun. It will never end. There will always be someone at level 85 camping the 20+ level giggling while they wait to pounce. There will always be people in chat channels looking to offend, anger, just to get a rise out of others. There will always be some player pinning another on his team into a corner in COD because he thinks it's fun. There will always be people blasting some aweful song through comms in TF2 drowning out the people that are trying to communicate.

Myself, I don't do it. Never have, never will. There is no challenge there so I simply don't find it fun, funny, or in all honesty even worth doing. More often than not I'll help some lower level enemy toon that's bitten off more than he can chew, salute, and move on. If I play on a PVP server, which I prefer to do, I accept it as part of that choice. If someone keeps camping me endlessly, I simply write down their name, and once I hit level cap I slaughter them. 

Because in my experience, the ones that love to gank the low level toons, quite frankly suck at pvp. The most common justification for this play style is "I'm bored." Well, if your bored, and love pvp, why are you not attacking like level players on a end game map? Why are you not in a like level battleground? Or a like level PVP Lake? 

Because that would invole a chance of losing. And for them, losing just isn't fun. Only owning.

So, in the end, for me, they are simply a part of the game or games I love that I have to put up with. Is my opinion right? Their opinion wrong? Nope. Just our opinions, and I understand we will never see eye to eye on these matters.

So gank me all you like, I'll find ya later and we can discuss it further over your corpse. :)

 

  DarkPony

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9/13/11 2:24:32 PM#85
Originally posted by Vlad_Tepes

Myself, I don't do it. Never have, never will. 

Liar, liar, pants on fire!

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  Ceridith

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9/13/11 2:26:46 PM#86
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

I told you Icewhite!

Never bring actual science here.. these forums can't take it.

First response of someone who is called out on something obvious - "Nuh uh!"

Lol, nice try, but that's not at all where I was coming from. I was merely saying that even if you could point me to an actual unbiased scientific study that shows such a correlation, that doesn't prove a thing. In my very first statistics class in college, we learned early on that correlation does not equal causation. The best way I can explain it to those who haven't experience such a course is that just because one thing is found to be common while another thing is also common, neither necessarily caused the other. 

One thing you can't try to rationalize your way out of, is the fact that no matter how much you try to justify and excuse your ganking, you will always be labeled as the scum of the PvP community for ganking. Sorry to say, but majority rules when it comes to approval of behavior.

Bored, low self-esteem, or just plain sadistic and sociopathic, the reason doesn't really matter to me, you're still just nothing more than an unsportsmanly ganker.

Finally, an intelligent post from the other side of the argument. Still, after reading my posts and how I don't take gaming seriously at all (because they are video games, after all), do you think I care if people online think I'm being unsportsmanlike? 

I'm fairly certain you don't care one bit. But just because you don't take it seriously, does't excuse the fact the other people do. In fact, what truly makes ganking behavior from yourself for lack of a better word, dickish, is the fact that you know full well that you are harassing people, yet doing it anyways because it amuses you due to your victims getting irritated by it.

You wanted to understand why people look so negatively on the issue, so there it is. All of your reasoning and justification for you behaving how you do in game doesn't change the fact that most people find it distasteful. if you truly don't care what other people think of you, that's your choice. Just don't complain when other players ostrasize you or otherwise speak negatively about you... which you've kind of been doing in this thread.

  Unlight

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9/13/11 2:34:00 PM#87
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by travdoty
Because its funny to see how serious some people are about video games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes and kills you in a video game, then you need help. No, gankers do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
*edit* I also look at it the same way I look at people who whine about the AWP in counterstrike. If you don't like a particular feature of a game (the AWP, the ability to gank, etc) then don't play the game. It's that easy.




What's funnier is to see the nerd raging of the lowbie gankers when they get ganked. They don't seem to take it with the same sense of humor that they dish it out. For some reason they just run away.

 

Actually, contrary to your statement that you seemed to have pulled out of thin air, it makes it more fun. When higher level toons/more powerful toons come in and add challenge to the situation, it makes the whole endeavor more enjoyable.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of what a 'challenge' is, sport.  A challenge revolves around having a chance of success, but only through great skill, perserverance and/or luck.  A man stepping on an insect isn't presenting the insect with a challenge.  Perhaps you think it qualifies if you happen to be the stepper rather than the steppee, but either way, your justification stands about as tall as a snake's ass.

  mad-hatter

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9/13/11 2:38:22 PM#88

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

  lizardbones

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9/13/11 2:46:28 PM#89


Originally posted by Unlight


Originally posted by travdoty


Originally posted by lizardbones
 


Originally posted by travdoty
Because its funny to see how serious some people are about video games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes and kills you in a video game, then you need help. No, gankers do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.
*edit* I also look at it the same way I look at people who whine about the AWP in counterstrike. If you don't like a particular feature of a game (the AWP, the ability to gank, etc) then don't play the game. It's that easy.


What's funnier is to see the nerd raging of the lowbie gankers when they get ganked. They don't seem to take it with the same sense of humor that they dish it out. For some reason they just run away.
 


Actually, contrary to your statement that you seemed to have pulled out of thin air, it makes it more fun. When higher level toons/more powerful toons come in and add challenge to the situation, it makes the whole endeavor more enjoyable.


I'm not sure you understand the concept of what a 'challenge' is, sport.  A challenge revolves around having a chance of success, but only through great skill, perserverance and/or luck.  A man stepping on an insect isn't presenting the insect with a challenge.  Perhaps you think it qualifies if you happen to be the stepper rather than the steppee, but either way, your justification stands about as tall as a snake's ass.



@travdoty - that would make you the only 'lowbie ganker' who didn't run away as soon as they started to lose.

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  Ceridith

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9/13/11 2:50:33 PM#90
Originally posted by mad-hatter

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

Explain to me, how exactly do you avoid roving gank squads as a lowbie when the high level PvPers have mounts to chase you down and corpse camp you with ease?

After playing Ultima Online in the "good old days", all I have to say is, I'm glad most MMOs have PvE rulesets where any PvP is optional.

Call me a carebear, but I prefer my MMOs not give higher level player the option to make my play time a living hell if they get bored, or whatever other excuse they have for corpse camping me for hours.

  BadSpock

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9/13/11 2:53:46 PM#91
Originally posted by mad-hatter

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

Hmm why are most gankers rogue-types who can stealth then and choose when to fight, as in when no one is around to actually challenge them?

Odd...

If they were so bad ass and powerful, shouldn't they roll a class/character type that can't hide but is as big and physical and intimidating as possible?

a "BRING IT ON" type rather then a "i'm scared of the light" type yes?

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  Laughing-man

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9/13/11 2:55:10 PM#92

The quote reminds me of WoW how even PVP servers have starter zones where you can't be killed unless you flag yourself for PVP...

I don't see the fuss

  Josher

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9/13/11 3:00:41 PM#93

Just picture the biggest, friendless, loser nerd you know or remember from highschool.  Imagine him leaning over his keyboard laughing in that creepy way nerds laugh.  There's your ganker to a tee.

  Slukjan

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9/13/11 3:03:27 PM#94
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by travdoty
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

 

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

 

Big words?  Where?  Where did he use big words? lol  Maybe someone should pay more attention in English class and less attention to PvP games. People who enjoy inflicting pain on others, in whatever form (mental or physical), have some sort of mental problem themselves.  Find a psychologist or psychiatrist that DISagrees with that.  Good luck.

 


I do not enjoy inflicting pain on people in real life...however...in a virtual game...I admit to having fun ganking helpless lowbies.  Does that mean I have mental problems?
 
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9/13/11 3:16:17 PM#95
Originally posted by Biggus99

Ganking newbs allows you to get in touch with your inner douchebag.  How can you truly know anything about yourself unless you've one-shotted a hapless level 5 enough times to drive him away from the game forever?  It's important to get these low level threats out of the game as soon as possible, lest they become strong and powerful enough at later levels to challenge your manhood in the righteous display of epeen superiority that we call instance pvp battlegrounds.  

 

 

 

 

 

Lol, WHAT manhood? I agree with you, entirely, though. It's just my opinion, but the only way ganking could ever be a true sport, would be to reduce the level and power of the person ganking (assuming it's a 1v1 battle) to the equal power of the person that they're trying to PK. At that point, it's a fight based on skill, but I know most gankers would likely find that unappealling. True, a brand new player may not stand much of a chance, but it's somewhat likely that the same gankers will haunt the same areas, HOPEFULLY allowing the new players to come up the learning curve enough to get some revenge in. Unfortunately, in some of these games (I'm looking at you, pay-2-win), there just won't be ample opportunity for the newbs to catch up, unless they plan on shelling out some serious time and money.

Can't help it...I dig a level playing field and can't find any happiness in ganking newbs. At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of 14-year olds walking into the daycare center and beating up on the toddlers. They're just not going to get sent to juvie for doing it.

  BadSpock

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9/13/11 3:20:32 PM#96

It's the same reason people like to level up and go solo dungeons etc.

Many, many people simply do not like challenge and prefer to faceroll.

If somethings not easy it's not worth doing to them.

I honestly think there is nothing wrong with that, many people like to be entertained and have fun - winning is fun! and it is impossible to find the perfect balance of challenge vs. ease and fun because that balance is different for every body.

 

It's funny though, the people who usually say this kind of stuff about challenge and difficulty are also usually the ones who defend griefing and ganking practices....

But there couldn't be anything easier then taking candy from a baby right?

So they already don't make sense - thusly their "opinions" are usually nothing more then dick-wagging and compensation.

 

 

 

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9/13/11 3:32:22 PM#97
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by mad-hatter

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

Hmm why are most gankers rogue-types who can stealth then and choose when to fight, as in when no one is around to actually challenge them?

Odd...

If they were so bad ass and powerful, shouldn't they roll a class/character type that can't hide but is as big and physical and intimidating as possible?

a "BRING IT ON" type rather then a "i'm scared of the light" type yes?

Dammit, Spock, are you out of your FVulcan mind?!?!? Lol, as usual, you bring too much sense to the table. It is usual business for a lot of them to use the stealth/rogue formula, though not all. In some places (RoM comes to mind), they'll have tanks/heavies riding around on the fastest mounts or just jacked up on speed pots. That way, they can just do their thing all that much faster and move onto more newbs. It doesn't make them any more badass or powerful, but you knew that. Please stop making sense with your posts, as I might vote for you in November of next year. ;P

  jedensuscg

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9/13/11 3:39:57 PM#98
Originally posted by BadSpock

It's the same reason people like to level up and go solo dungeons etc.

Many, many people simply do not like challenge and prefer to faceroll.

If somethings not easy it's not worth doing to them.

I honestly think there is nothing wrong with that, many people like to be entertained and have fun - winning is fun! and it is impossible to find the perfect balance of challenge vs. ease and fun because that balance is different for every body.

 

It's funny though, the people who usually say this kind of stuff about challenge and difficulty are also usually the ones who defend griefing and ganking practices....

But there couldn't be anything easier then taking candy from a baby right?

So they already don't make sense - thusly their "opinions" are usually nothing more then dick-wagging and compensation.

 

 

 

One of the main reasons i left WoW.  I like challenging content.  I enjoyed battlegrounds where the teams were even and the score very close.  I did not enjoy when we steamrolled the other team.  There was no fun, and I dont care about the points.  Same with WoW dungeons that pissed me off.  I PREFERED when I got in a random dungeons with people that were geared for that place.  As long as they could follow directions and play there characters, the extra challenge of not being well over geared for a place actaully made it fun.  Seeing people get booted because of there gear pissed me off.  Many times on my healer if they booted a tank because he did have enough life for them (though he had plenty for the instance at hand) i would just leave too because I did not want to be apart of that crap.

Gankers are the same way.  As Badspock also said earlier, Why are most gankers rogues or stealthy classes.  Its because they do not want to be challenged in any way shape or for.  At leat with some big easy to see fellow ganking, you have a chance of some equal level peeps to come and stop you, but rogues just vanished and ran as soon as they saw somthing even close to a challenge appear.  Same with people that sit on rooftops and one shot noobies with ranged attacks.  They are not trying to draw out any high level opposition, they could do that from the ground.  No, they are just chicken shit and dont want to be bothered with anything that might challenge them in anyway/

  Goatgod76

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9/13/11 3:41:52 PM#99

Because all the interent thugs can't go and beat up on those that don't stand a chance to make them feel superior, tough and important. That and because can't act out in the way they lack the courage to do in reality...plus they lack the skills to kill those their own levels....plain and simple.

And before they come in yelling "carebear" at me (because the truth hurts)...although I am not that into PvP, I have still done PLENTY of it over the years (EQ, WoW, Eve Online, AoC, Allods Online, etc). I wasn't too shabby at it either. But I didn't feel the need to go and slaughter people 10 to 20 levels lower than me. Why not? No challenge, and simply not fun to me. I didn't feel the need...but LOVED to kill those that did it. They usually died or ran too, which proves the last point above.

What many of them don't realize is they only hurt the further progression of their own community on their given server by turning most of the new people off to it before they even get started. Grow a backbone and stop whining you can't go be an internet bully. Find some real fights/challenge in  your own range.

 

  robert4818

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OP  9/13/11 3:44:56 PM#100
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by mad-hatter

I've never cared if some max level was ganking in lowbie zones honestly, gives you a reason to pan the cam and watch your back.  Unfortunately a  large part of the MMO community nowadays are a bunch of carebears who don't see that this is actually improving your gameplay forcing you to pay attention to your surroundings to avoid insta death.....to me, it ADDS to the gameplay.

And no, I've never ganked lowbies as a higher level player unless they just happen to cross my path, I don't go out of my way to find them.  Just my 2 cents.

Hmm why are most gankers rogue-types who can stealth then and choose when to fight, as in when no one is around to actually challenge them?

Odd...

If they were so bad ass and powerful, shouldn't they roll a class/character type that can't hide but is as big and physical and intimidating as possible?

a "BRING IT ON" type rather then a "i'm scared of the light" type yes?

Lets also not forget that these are the same people who exploit the system so as to minimize their own risk.

In Darkfall, they don't just gank newbs, they jump in front of newbs fighting monsters so that the newb accidentally hits them, flagging them grey instead of blue.  This way they can gank without a problem.

These are the guys in darkfall running around stark naked except for a cheap sword killing newbs, so that when they eventually die, they don't lose anything of value, but steal everything from the newb.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

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