Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

I told you Icewhite!

Never bring actual science here.. these forums can't take it.

First response of someone who is called out on something obvious - "Nuh uh!"

Lol, nice try, but that's not at all where I was coming from. I was merely saying that even if you could point me to an actual unbiased scientific study that shows such a correlation, that doesn't prove a thing. In my very first statistics class in college, we learned early on that correlation does not equal causation. The best way I can explain it to those who haven't experience such a course is that just because one thing is found to be common while another thing is also common, neither necessarily caused the other. 

One thing you can't try to rationalize your way out of, is the fact that no matter how much you try to justify and excuse your ganking, you will always be labeled as the scum of the PvP community for ganking. Sorry to say, but majority rules when it comes to approval of behavior.

Bored, low self-esteem, or just plain sadistic and sociopathic, the reason doesn't really matter to me, you're still just nothing more than an unsportsmanly ganker.

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Anyway, let me ask you guys something. Are you all really so naive as to think that it really is impossible for someone to just have geniune fun with a mechanic that was purposefully coded into a game?

Another question: Why are gankers automatically assholes? Is it because they have caused you frustration in the past? 

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Originally posted by travdoty

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Originally posted by BadSpock

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Originally posted by travdoty

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Originally posted by Icewhite

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Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

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That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

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Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

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I told you Icewhite!
Never bring actual science here.. these forums can't take it.
First response of someone who is called out on something obvious - "Nuh uh!"

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Lol, nice try, but that's not at all where I was coming from. I was merely saying that even if you could point me to an actual unbiased scientific study that shows such a correlation, that doesn't prove a thing. In my very first statistics class in college, we learned early on that correlation does not equal causation. The best way I can explain it to those who haven't experience such a course is that just because one thing is found to be common while another thing is also common, neither necessarily caused the other. 

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Originally posted by DerWotan

Originally posted by robert4818

SWTOR announced that you would not be able to make your way to the opponents starting world and gank starting players.  It did not say that they removed PVP, that it would only be instanced PVP, or that once someone left the starter planets (around lvl 20 or so) that you couldn't attack them.  ONLY that you you couldn't go and gank brand new toons.

Nerd rage followed from the PK community.

My question is WHY?

Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

 

whats there to discuss if you chosse a pvp server ganking has to be part of it, i f you can't deal with ganking go play on a pve server.

Anyway real PvP has lost its way since Daoc and Pre-Trammel so I'm not interested in PvP servers anymore you lose nothing, there is no thrill or fear.

 

  While I can't speak for UO, having never played it, unless you played on the wildly unsuccessful Mordred server :D - the only ganking that happened in DAOC was consentual.  There were ALWAYS safe areas, however if you chose to head out into the Frontiers, you knew the risks.  That is completely different from idiots who get their jollies killing people who stand no chance against them.

  There are reasons MMO companies move away from allowing this.  It WILL drive off population - and there are FAR more people who are not interested in PVP, let alone ganking, than there are gankers.

Some people got really upset when they were ganked in Eve. But when you're bored and there's nothing going on, you're glad to get atleast some action - any action. You don't separate the lowbies from the rest.

Ofcourse its just easier to think that the guy who ganked you is a prick with low self esteem. Understanding people is overrated...

But in all seriousness, no doubt there are some people who enjoy this. I just think, they're not as common as people think. Those people might actually have some issues. Camping starter areas with a maxed out character? What is wrong with you people? I get it if someone kills a lowbie when they've wandered in to your web, but specifically hunting newbies is just... wrong.

Or they could be kids, I don't know.

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

I told you Icewhite!

Never bring actual science here.. these forums can't take it.

First response of someone who is called out on something obvious - "Nuh uh!"

Lol, nice try, but that's not at all where I was coming from. I was merely saying that even if you could point me to an actual unbiased scientific study that shows such a correlation, that doesn't prove a thing. In my very first statistics class in college, we learned early on that correlation does not equal causation. The best way I can explain it to those who haven't experience such a course is that just because one thing is found to be common while another thing is also common, neither necessarily caused the other. 

One thing you can't try to rationalize your way out of, is the fact that no matter how much you try to justify and excuse your ganking, you will always be labeled as the scum of the PvP community for ganking. Sorry to say, but majority rules when it comes to approval of behavior.

Bored, low self-esteem, or just plain sadistic and sociopathic, the reason doesn't really matter to me, you're still just nothing more than an unsportsmanly ganker.

Finally, an intelligent post from the other side of the argument. Still, after reading my posts and how I don't take gaming seriously at all (because they are video games, after all), do you think I care if people online think I'm being unsportsmanlike? 

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by BadSpock I am going to copy/paste this into every thread I see about this issue.

 

Please don't, Spock. I'd be forced to block you V_V

But it's so perfect!

Since I've joined the Dark Pony fan club I've been trying to stalk you anyway... hmmm.....

I just wish people would differentiate some more between motivations for "ganking" as well as the different definitions.

The players that willingly seek out lower leveled players to one-shot and grief are just a small (often pubescent) group compared to all those players out in the world looking for some hawt pvp action: i.e. the "red = dead" kind who don't think so much about levels, nor about odds which might or might not be in their favor. Sadly they are often tossed on one bunch with the first group of sadistic, angsty 13 year olds.

I belong to the "red = dead" kind of players (though I have weak moments and let enemies live sometimes) and despise the first kind (and love to hunt them down) but that doesn't mean I won't kill a low leveled character occasionaly. And I wont mind if others treat me the same. The little bugger should have seen me and ran away :)

Originally posted by robert4818

SWTOR announced that you would not be able to make your way to the opponents starting world and gank starting players.  It did not say that they removed PVP, that it would only be instanced PVP, or that once someone left the starter planets (around lvl 20 or so) that you couldn't attack them.  ONLY that you you couldn't go and gank brand new toons.

Nerd rage followed from the PK community.

My question is WHY?

Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

I do enjoy open pvp games , but I don't eenjoy and don't gank newbs.

I actually would prefer that open pvp games have some kind protection against ganking newbs. So like if high level player go into low level zone , he get massive debuff , so newb can protect himself or menage to run , but still if high level player go there and menage to start killing noobs , after each kill he gets even bigger crippling debuff , and / or even make pvp impossible if level difrence bigger than 10 of something. 

Really ganking noobs is no fun at all , though some games having open pvp can be fun , just heavy restrictions and punishments shold be done to avoid griefing and ganking.

i am a huge fan of open world pvp. but i also have some sense of honor, even in games.

if i am going to kill you, you will be facing me and armed

translated to MMO talk, if i am going to kill you, you can be sure that you will have the chance of killing me.

if you are defenseless i will on the other hand help you or ignore you

(unless you attack me first, in which case ill kill you and just to humiliate you even more, i wont even loot you. just to say you suck so much that taking your stuff isnt worth my time sometimes ill drop 1 unit of currency like giving 1 cent as tip to a waitress)

other than that my fun in pvp is to actually participate in large warfare, guild wars/ alliance wars, territory control with as many players as possible. (not battlegrounds or reserved pvp zones, it needs to be able to happen whenever, whereever)

and also to go gank those bullies killing newbies... their tears are oh so sweater :)

Originally posted by Sulaa

Originally posted by robert4818

SWTOR announced that you would not be able to make your way to the opponents starting world and gank starting players.  It did not say that they removed PVP, that it would only be instanced PVP, or that once someone left the starter planets (around lvl 20 or so) that you couldn't attack them.  ONLY that you you couldn't go and gank brand new toons.

Nerd rage followed from the PK community.

My question is WHY?

Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

I do enjoy open pvp games , but I don't eenjoy and don't gank newbs.

I actually would prefer that open pvp games have some kind protection against ganking newbs. So like if high level player go into low level zone , he get massive debuff , so newb can protect himself , but still if high level player go there and menage to start killing noobs , after each kill he gets even bigger crippling debuff , and / or even make pvp impossible if level difrence bigger than 10 of something. 

Really ganking noobs is no fun at all , though some games having open pvp can be fun , just heavy restrictions and punishments shold be done to avoid griefing and ganking.

 Ohhh.  Now that is a good idea.  A high level that goes into a newb zone is automatically now at the same level (either through level drop or massive debuff) as the newbs.  I wonder how many gankers would now be willing to attempt pvp like that when the odds are more equal.

Venge

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

 

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

Big words?  Where?  Where did he use big words? lol  Maybe someone should pay more attention in English class and less attention to PvP games. People who enjoy inflicting pain on others, in whatever form (mental or physical), have some sort of mental problem themselves.  Find a psychologist or psychiatrist that DISagrees with that.  Good luck.

By the way....I've not seen a logical post from you here.  I have only seen posts from a bitter PvPing 22 year old without enough life experience to put together the logical things OTHER people have posted. Those things make no sense to you because you lack the years to make sense of them.

One thing you can't try to rationalize your way out of, is the fact that no matter how much you try to justify and excuse your ganking, you will always be labeled as the scum of the PvP community for ganking. Sorry to say, but majority rules when it comes to approval of behavior.

Bored, low self-esteem, or just plain sadistic and sociopathic, the reason doesn't really matter to me, you're still just nothing more than an unsportsmanly ganker.

Exactly.  Sorry I accidentally deleted who said that.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Sulaa

Originally posted by robert4818

SWTOR announced that you would not be able to make your way to the opponents starting world and gank starting players.  It did not say that they removed PVP, that it would only be instanced PVP, or that once someone left the starter planets (around lvl 20 or so) that you couldn't attack them.  ONLY that you you couldn't go and gank brand new toons.

Nerd rage followed from the PK community.

My question is WHY?

Why is the ability to kill brand new players so integral to the playstyle?  Why does the temporary ability to avoid ganking cause so much hate and discontent?

I do enjoy open pvp games , but I don't eenjoy and don't gank newbs.

I actually would prefer that open pvp games have some kind protection against ganking newbs. So like if high level player go into low level zone , he get massive debuff , so newb can protect himself , but still if high level player go there and menage to start killing noobs , after each kill he gets even bigger crippling debuff , and / or even make pvp impossible if level difrence bigger than 10 of something. 

Really ganking noobs is no fun at all , though some games having open pvp can be fun , just heavy restrictions and punishments shold be done to avoid griefing and ganking.

 Ohhh.  Now that is a good idea.  A high level that goes into a newb zone is automatically now at the same level (either through level drop or massive debuff) as the newbs.  I wonder how many gankers would now be willing to attempt pvp like that when the odds are more equal.

Venge

You are exactly right. For our purposes of discussion ganking is fighting players so low as they have no chance to win. the ganker prefers this and will only engage in ganking when it becomes or is gauranteed to be a sure WIN for them. Its cowardice for them in the highest fashion.

Make the odds even and most of the time real gankers will run.

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

 

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

The contradiction is that for some reason gankers like to bother people enough to hear them complain-to know you are ruining their attempt to have fun and rejoicing in it. That implies some issue with the ganker-low self-esteem or whatever. Most people don.t find enjoyment in doing those things, they find enjoyment in other, more productive parts of gaming or life. And you've said that those who don'y like being ganked should leave game to find new one. If gankers are so bored with their game that they can't find anything else to do, maybe they should find a new game.

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Ceridith

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

I told you Icewhite!

Never bring actual science here.. these forums can't take it.

First response of someone who is called out on something obvious - "Nuh uh!"

Lol, nice try, but that's not at all where I was coming from. I was merely saying that even if you could point me to an actual unbiased scientific study that shows such a correlation, that doesn't prove a thing. In my very first statistics class in college, we learned early on that correlation does not equal causation. The best way I can explain it to those who haven't experience such a course is that just because one thing is found to be common while another thing is also common, neither necessarily caused the other. 

One thing you can't try to rationalize your way out of, is the fact that no matter how much you try to justify and excuse your ganking, you will always be labeled as the scum of the PvP community for ganking. Sorry to say, but majority rules when it comes to approval of behavior.

Bored, low self-esteem, or just plain sadistic and sociopathic, the reason doesn't really matter to me, you're still just nothing more than an unsportsmanly ganker.

Finally, an intelligent post from the other side of the argument. Still, after reading my posts and how I don't take gaming seriously at all (because they are video games, after all), do you think I care if people online think I'm being unsportsmanlike? 

Not taking it seriously is just an excuse dude. The point is that, for example,  someone starts the game and  needs to go from point A to B to complete a quest but cannot because another player is continuosly killing him for no reason. That causes frustation no matter if the person takes the game seriously or not. He is simply being denied of having fun, which is the whole point of playing the game. In fact the ganker probably takes the game more seriously than the newb, since he took his time to level up and equip himself to be able to gank people.

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by travdoty

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by travdoty

No, gankers do not have low self esteem....It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

That's very difficult to credit when you read their complex construct of justifications--including the contradiction inherent in the above.

 

Lol... do you feel special for using big words on the internet? Explain to me how my statement is contradictory. Because I think it's funny that some people care wayyyyy too much about video games, it automatically makes me have low self-esteem and have inferiority/superiority issues? Are you citing an actual psychological study, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? That's what I thought.

 

Big words?  Where?  Where did he use big words? lol  Maybe someone should pay more attention in English class and less attention to PvP games. People who enjoy inflicting pain on others, in whatever form (mental or physical), have some sort of mental problem themselves.  Find a psychologist or psychiatrist that DISagrees with that.  Good luck.

 

By the way....I've not seen a logical post from you here.  I have only seen posts from a bitter PvPing 22 year old without enough life experience to put together the logical things OTHER people have posted. Those things make no sense to you because you lack the years to make sense of them.

Since when does age give the ability to think logically? Again, correlation does not equal causation. Granted, age and logical thinking have a very high correlation, but that still doesn't prove causation. I know plenty of people in their younger years that are more mature and logically minded than their older counterparts, but to be fair, I know a lot of really immature and illogical people my age. 

Anyways, that's beside the point. Am I really the one that's bitter here, or is it all of you the ones that are bitter? Seems like all of you have been ganked in the past and are now bitter towards gankers, unable to see any other side of the argument. 

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by BadSpock I am going to copy/paste this into every thread I see about this issue.

 

Please don't, Spock. I'd be forced to block you V_V

But it's so perfect!

Since I've joined the Dark Pony fan club I've been trying to stalk you anyway... hmmm.....

I just wish people would differentiate some more between motivations for "ganking" as well as the different definitions.

The players that willingly seek out lower leveled players to one-shot and grief are just a small (often pubescent) group compared to all those players out in the world looking for some hawt pvp action: i.e. the "red = dead" kind who don't think so much about levels, nor about odds which might or might not be in their favor. Sadly they are often tossed on one bunch with the first group of sadistic, angsty 13 year olds.

I belong to the "red = dead" kind of players (though I have weak moments and let enemies live sometimes) and despise the first kind (and love to hunt them down) but that doesn't mean I won't kill a low leveled character occasionaly. And I wont mind if others treat me the same. The little bugger should have seen me and ran away :)

I think you read too much into my post. while I don't differentiate between kinds of players, I generally do not see people who don't camp lowbie areas to kill them on sight as gankers. 

Originally posted by travdoty

Because its funny to see how serious some people are about video games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes and kills you in a video game, then you need help. No, gankers do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the nerd raging that follows.

*edit* I also look at it the same way I look at people who whine about the AWP in counterstrike. If you don't like a particular feature of a game (the AWP, the ability to gank, etc) then don't play the game. It's that easy.

So, why don't we see people doing this in RL?

Not Ganking newbs, but lets say a friendly game of flag football at the park.  Why is it you don't see one person pick up the ball and run to his own endzone and get tackled?  I mean:

 Its funny to see how serious some people are about sports games. If you really care so much that it makes you angry when someone comes ruins your game game, then you need help. No, endzoners do not have low self esteem. No, they do not have 'issues' in real life. It's honestly just funny to hear the jock raging that follows.

I mean its still just a game.  What reason do people have to be upset and keep you from playing when you run the ball to your own endzone?  

Originally posted by travdoty

Haha! This thread is too funny. As soon as I come out with the first logical post in this thread, everyone seems to ignore it and move on. 

 

Anyway, let me ask you guys something. Are you all really so naive as to think that it really is impossible for someone to just have geniune fun with a mechanic that was purposefully coded into a game?

 

Another question: Why are gankers automatically assholes? Is it because they have caused you frustration in the past? Seems a bit childish to me to be within your realm of thought after gankers causing you frustration in the past, ESPECIALLY because it was in a video game. Oh wait, thats right: this is a forum for MMORPG players, which are notorius for that sort of thing in the gaming world.

Full of yourself much? But of course, you're right about everything you said, because you apparently know more than anyone else here. You took a college course on correlation...Corellians....some crap like that, right? Sorry, the big words hurt my tiny pea-sized brain. Really, no one is taking you seriously, it's frustrating to you and now you're trying to cover it up by pretending you find it funny. As is stands, you're trying to take delight in putting other people down, on this thread (trying to get your gank on?). Some of your other posts are proof. You could have still made your points in all of your other posts, but you don't come across as a civil person...more of someone who speaks out of a position of superiority to others. Of course, you won't see it, just as much as people here won't buy into your dribble. Thanks for playing and have a nice day. ;)

Originally posted by fansede

Ok there is a game in production that has been listed here. PvP Gankers  full loot  and permadeath. Rejoice. Here it is

SALEM

 

Now you can stop folowing SW: TOR and delve in the glory of Salem!

this looks epic! just hope it isnt full of p2win shops

Nothing is fun in killing newbs, but "funny" games are sometime a bit stupid, i mean its all good for a time and all. But when you want to have a good world for your character to live in you just don't always want to have it "funny". Risk is an important phenomena in rpg games, i don't know in ad&d you could die at any time and had to make a new character. If i don't ask for perma death in all mmorpg (i wouldn't mind have one or 2 games with it though), at least you should have a sense of danger in all of them, yes all. Obviously all our mmo are "funny games" in a puerile sense, they offer no risk at all, its just boring and stupid in the long run. Pking definitely put a sense of danger in mmo, you just need to keep its level low, thats all.