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  kalinis

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9/05/11 6:15:22 PM#41

its not stanant. lightsabers in tor hae just started to have there own power source in them. Before kotor they were on a pack . Lightsabers have only had there own power source a few hunder years if that when or comes out. 

as for blasters and carbines not developing its simple really after the last sith war when bane destroyed the sith and went into hiding for 2000 yrs the republic disbanded there mlitary. 

last i looked the best weaposn are always produced during times of war when companins can manufacture them for goverments in need of them . 

Same with star ships . While ships may have gotten better for comerical liners and stuff with no military the actualy cruisers and stuff would of stopped being made and as such never of gotten better. 

also during 2000 yrs of peace with no military the knowledge of how to create weapons and stuff woudl fo stagnated or gotten lost. 

 

so there are alot of reasons why its not as advanced as ud expect. in society when in peace weapons design always stagnates the best advance always happen in war or cold wars. 

  IMPYRE

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Yes, I have a question. When did you turn into a nutbar?

9/05/11 6:51:30 PM#42

3500 years difference we got the Fury vs Vader Tie,  BT7 vs X-Wing, however on earth 110 year difference Wright Flyer vs F117.

Unfortunately I think that the Star Wars Universe is more stagnant than ours.

 

3500 years prior...

or better yet 

3500 years prior...

I don't see much change in the SWU.. However...

110 years later...

 

Ok, ok, I know it science fiction fantasy anyways and its just a movie, but as I stated.. They should have not used 'Years' in the SWU..

  kalinis

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9/05/11 6:56:33 PM#43

The diffrence is the cold war. Plus eventually as as person who has read many sci fi books technology stagnates. Look at the last 20 yrs how much progress has been made in weaponry and stuff. 

That said using years isnt the problem its tht people forget that for 2000 yrs following bane the republic knew nothing but peace. 

peace breeds lack of innovation. War breeds innovation for survival sake. 

  Distopia

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9/05/11 7:09:41 PM#44
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

3500 years difference we got the Fury vs Vader Tie,  BT7 vs X-Wing, however on earth 110 year difference Wright Flyer vs F117.

Unfortunately I think that the Star Wars Universe is more stagnant than ours.

 

3500 years prior...

or better yet 

3500 years prior...

I don't see much change in the SWU.. However...

110 years later...

 

Ok, ok, I know it science fiction fantasy anyways and its just a movie, but as I stated.. They should have not used 'Years' in the SWU..

A good way to look at this though is that we're talking space travel, not the dawn of flight and it's evolution. Space based vessels haven't changed much at all over the years, the shuttle as an example. Rocket shapes are another area that has seen little in the way of change.

As far as Star Wars goes. When you're travelling around at light speed (which is the case in all of Star Wars) I think it's safe to say maximum aerodynamics have been achieved. WHich means research could have simply moved to fine tuning and perfection.

Again we're talking space society here, they're far past the evolutionary stages you're bringing up. We're not talking about a case of stone age to modern day craftsmanship here.

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  AKASlaphappy

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9/05/11 7:15:25 PM#45
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

Well as a Star Wars nerd I would ask how you can say that technology got worse as the timeline moves in the future when you can see the following:
 
Anakin’s replacement hand
 
 
Luke’s replacement hand
 
 
 
 
Now can you say with the images provided that Anakin’s hand is more advanced then Luke’s hand? Because that speaks of an advancement of technology in 20 years outside of anything we have ever seen besides the computer industry.   
 
 
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

3500 years difference we got the Fury vs Vader Tie,  BT7 vs X-Wing, however on earth 110 year difference Wright Flyer vs F117.


 

Ok, ok, I know it science fiction fantasy anyways and its just a movie, but as I stated.. They should have not used 'Years' in the SWU..

You are also comparing images of ships that are canon to ships that are not canon; if you just look at the movies you can see a progression of technologies. What people do outside of the official canon does not change or alter what is canon.
 
 
“There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe.”

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

 
  mrshroom89

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9/05/11 7:41:36 PM#46

Well here i am watching the movies as we speak (type?) and i just watched a giant floating man made planet thing blow up an entire planet with one blast... yeaaaa missed that part in the new  series, there wasnt anything close to that firepower, stagnant? i think not.

 

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  IMPYRE

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Yes, I have a question. When did you turn into a nutbar?

9/05/11 8:01:46 PM#47
Originally posted by mrshroom89

Well here i am watching the movies as we speak (type?) and i just watched a giant floating man made planet thing blow up an entire planet with one blast... yeaaaa missed that part in the new  series, there wasnt anything close to that firepower, stagnant? i think not.

 

 

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force. 

  Kothoses

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9/05/11 8:08:16 PM#48
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

ITs happening right now 40ish years ago Humans placed a man on the moon and now we have just pretty much decomissioned the space project as we know it, its a giant leap backwards for humanitys advancement.  And its largely because a lot of people had mortgages they shouldnt have.

 

The Darkages of earth are another example of how evolution and scientific growth are not entwined and often one or the other is stunted by humanities own efforts.

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  Leoghan

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9/05/11 8:11:55 PM#49
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

Are you refering to the personal shields (haven't followed SWTOR enough to know if these are confirmed in game, but they were in the KoTOR games)? I too find it odd they have them in KoTOR times (and SWTOR if the do), but not later. It is clearly more of a game mechanic though to explain surviving multiple saber hits, which is out of contrast from the movies. 

 

Oh and it is Midi-Chlorians not meta anything... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian.

  Neloth

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9/05/11 8:17:39 PM#50
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

As far as I know much was "lost technology", tech can become lost technology, just like the romans invented/discovered cement then it was lost for about 1000 years or so, heck the egyptians had gypsum mortars 3000 BC, the ancient greeks had sophisticated mechanical computing devices for calculating celestial orbits that were lost, not to mention the dark ages where forces like the church held back civilization hunders of years. 

 

So the same deal, just different and in SW setting. So go ahead and suspend that disbelief 

  4getting2009

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9/05/11 8:24:52 PM#51
Originally posted by Kothoses
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

ITs happening right now 40ish years ago Humans placed a man on the moon and now we have just pretty much decomissioned the space project as we know it, its a giant leap backwards for humanitys advancement.  And its largely because a lot of people had mortgages they shouldnt have.

 

The Darkages of earth are another example of how evolution and scientific growth are not entwined and often one or the other is stunted by humanities own efforts.

eh...We just put Robots on Mars a few years ago that are still taking samples today.... Manned space travel was cancelled.

  Saerain

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9/05/11 8:30:18 PM#52

I disagree with the premise that Star Wars' technology declines over time. It certainly progresses at a painfully, comically slow pace, and individual planets do go through rollercoasters of prosperity, but I haven't seen a net decline in technology in Star Wars since the Infinite Empire

Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

We're talking about an interstellar civilization, here. Trillions of people across an entire galaxy, at least hundreds of inhabited planets with their own R&D. Even under the most totalitarian governments this galaxy has seen, science and technology haven't been nearly so centralized as they were in Earth's ancient history. Managing to make it so would be a logistical nightmare of literally astronomical proportions.

Originally posted by 4getting2009
Originally posted by Kothoses

ITs happening right now 40ish years ago Humans placed a man on the moon and now we have just pretty much decomissioned the space project as we know it, its a giant leap backwards for humanitys advancement.  And its largely because a lot of people had mortgages they shouldnt have.

The Darkages of earth are another example of how evolution and scientific growth are not entwined and often one or the other is stunted by humanities own efforts.

eh...We just put Robots on Mars a few years ago that are still taking samples today.... Manned space travel was cancelled.

Yes, and more to the point, we need unmanned missions (which are superior anyway, for scientific purposes) to do a lot more for us before further manned missions make sense. Manned missions to the moon or other planets are just stupid ego-boosters until we intend to colonize, which isn't yet viable.

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  antonatsis

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i know...my english suck :P

9/05/11 8:40:47 PM#53

the skywalkers are powerfull because,anakin skywalker doesnt have a father

there are 2 theories.

1st)the theory tha Qui-Gon Jinn made.that he is born out of true force(i know a jesus reference)

2nd)is a theory that he was the result of an experiment from some awesome sith dude who's name is Darth Plagueis,he was the master of palpatine(the emperor from star wars)

 

follows a quote from wookie pedia

 

Skywalker's mother, Shmi Skywalker, claimed that her son was conceived without a father, but could not explain how that had happened. It was the theory of Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn that the will of the Force caused his birth. There is evidence to suggest that Skywalker's birth may have been engineered by the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis as part of an experiment in immortality.[8][9]

  antonatsis

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i know...my english suck :P

9/05/11 8:43:06 PM#54

as for the technology is less powerfull than it used to be....

any reader of sci-fi or fantasy knows that,its a popular theme to have...an old civilazation with such advanced technology that it could dwarf our own...heck there are conspiracies theorist that believe that things...also a good example is atlantis,where most people believe that the atlanteans had technology 

 

also if you read about wht the ancient people had in europe....then you would understand why this happened...many things that humans knew give or take at 1000-500 BC were lost and our society found again after the dark ages...

finally keep in mind that,wars in a universe like star wars,are so dreadfull that entire planets are destroyed or left barren...bit by bit the endless jedi-sith war was tearing apart society in every aspect

(you would be amazed to find out,how many advanced civilazations have extinct and we dont know nothing about them,besides some oral records or things that other people had for them in writings and stufll like that!)

  Atlan99

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9/05/11 8:57:44 PM#55
Originally posted by whosaidwhat

onsidering that Lucas stole his origibal trilogy from lord of the rings, i.e. the reason why the studios turned him down the first time.  It was to close lotr.  And most of the tech from the original was created by others.  hence tech getting better as time goes backwards.  If you were luckly to see the original interviews with lucas you would be shocked how star wars was originally written. 

Sad though. One of the greatest IPs in history was really stolen from someone else.

He was more influenced by Dune than LOTRO. It's just that far less people know about Dune.

I think Dune owns LOTRO but I'm biased towards sci-fi.

  EvilChemist

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9/05/11 9:03:14 PM#56

I think a bunnch of people answered why luke was so strong in the force, and in the SW EU he also goes around and trains in a bunch of different force disciplines on top of training with sidious i think. So ontop of having a force boost from Anakin dna he is probably one of the most aside from yoda THE most well trained jedi in the history of jedi lol.

 

As for the tech, the deathstar was a crazy ridiculous machine and the empire built 2 of those badboys. So it is possible even without searching the books, to assume that the empire at the very least some advanced tech that previous establishments didn't have. BUT OMG the deathstar! If the second one was fully completed and didnt need ground shielding it would have taken another luke level jedi to fly down into that bitch and blow it up from the inside again.

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  just2duh

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9/05/11 9:15:25 PM#57
Originally posted by Kothoses
 

Or could it just be the fact that when the original trilogy was produced media could not convey the technology at the same level and we just have to suspend our disbelief a little rather than wanting every little inconsistancy explained in depth for us?

  /thread

 It was answered in the first reply lol, yet it has continued on :P That is the main reason as I see it anyways, it was originally a movie in the 70's so of course the tech would appear to be less advanced than it is shown now and during time periods before that of the first few movies.

 The same affect happened when they created the newest prequel movies too.

  Jimmac

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9/05/11 9:27:34 PM#58

What doesn't make sense to me is why technology hardly progresses over the 3,000 year period between SWTOR and the movie trilogies. Is there a good lore reason for that?

  RavingRabbid

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Remember Rabbids cant play MMO's, but they can dance!

9/05/11 9:42:39 PM#59
Originally posted by MMOExposed

another question. what makes the Skywalkers so powerful compared to other Jedi knights? I mean, why they so special?

 This one is easy. Darth Plagues (Palpatines Master) manipulated the midiclorians in a slave girl (Shimi Skywalker) to have her become pregnant with a child with a high Midiclorian count to replace Palpatine. Palpatine got wind of this and killed Darht Plagues in his sleep.

Galen (the force Unleashe games) Marek was also a rare exception of a very high midclorian count which was why he was able to use the force the way he did.

**engages Darth Krayt in plunger to lightsaber combat....Darth Krayt bows before his new master.....**

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  GMan3

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9/05/11 11:05:35 PM#60
Originally posted by Jimmac

What doesn't make sense to me is why technology hardly progresses over the 3,000 year period between SWTOR and the movie trilogies. Is there a good lore reason for that?

     What exactly would be progression to you?  Faster than light speed travel?  They already have it and how would you "see" that in the game anyways?  Differently shaped ships?  They have that too.  Stronger weaponry?  Gets offset by stronger armor.  I have a hard time understanding your (or the OPs) problem here.  Take a look at just the last 100 years in Real Life.  How big of a change has there been in the clothing a farmer wears?  Slightly different style, but not by much AND you can't even tell if the fabric is any different in most cases just by looking at pictures of it.

    The fact is there could be differences in technilogical abilities meassured in MAGNITUDES and we would not really be able to see it in the game.  I think instead you might be upset though that the game LOOKS like Star Wars and for some reason that bothers you.  Would you prefer it looked like Star Trek?  Or maybe Battlestar Galactica?  For me, I like that it looks enough like Star Wars to make me feel like part of that universe and enough different that I don't feel like I am in a cheap knockoff of it.

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