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  hermit000

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9/05/11 12:14:19 PM#21

I dont recall it ever being said that the force was a finite rsource that was shared equally by all users of it. The skywalkers (and i hate to say this) have a higher metaclorine count and are able to control the force more so than someone who has a lower amount. 

 

There have been other very powerful force users at times when there were tens of thousands of sith and jedi roaming the galaxy

  artemisentr4

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9/05/11 12:15:47 PM#22

It's because of time travel. The original timeline starts back in 1977.

 

Bottom line is that the game is based on fantasy. Fantasy doesn't have to make sense. The facts or lore are whatever the writters want it to be. Just enjoy the 60+ novels of story in the game or don't. No reason to bring reality into a fantasy sci-fi SW game.

“How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?”
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  Loke666

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9/05/11 12:16:42 PM#23
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

  Methos12

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9/05/11 12:25:27 PM#24



Originally posted by MMOExposed
Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?


Does it really?

You can argue some tech was changed (for example, there was a point in SW history when it was decided that powerful computers governing ships weren't as reliable so multiple droids were chosen as an alternative) and that the newly founded Galactic Empire lead by Sidious perhaps fancied substance over style (although you have prosthetics which had clearly advanced in the mean time), especially given the recent events of Clone Wars that lead to its foundation, but did technology really become worse? It still accomplished the same functions, it just didn't look as clean and perhaps lacked the idealized "ye Old Republic" feeling thanks to the lack of warm colors, curves instead of angles and what not.

And yeah, basically because of limitations present at the time of filming the original trilogy. I don't know.

Nature without Technology is little more than animals running about.
Nature without Magic is without wonder or miracle.
.........
Magic without Technology is fantasy.
Magic without Nature is formless and useless.
.........
Technology without Nature is application without understanding.
Technology without Magic is repetitious and uninventive.

  xS0u1zx

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9/05/11 12:28:13 PM#25
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by MMOExposed

Is there a lore reason for why Tech gets worst as the timeline moves into the future?

It is not entirely silly, it have actually happened in history before.

Egypt is a good example, the pyramids and most of the other impressive stuff is actually really early and the civilization slowly falls from a superpower to a Roman province.

And look what happened to Europe after Romes fall. You might not know it but a Greek guy actually built a working steam engine 2000 years ago. 2300 years ago did another Greek count the earths diameter (he had it wrong by 500 meters)...

It have happened before and it might happen again.

The difference between then and now is that technology in current days is globally shared.    Back in the ancient times only a very select few people had done wonders and knew the mysteries of science/math.    When they died all of their knowledge was lost.      In current times all knowledge is recorded in great detail, copied and released to billions to share.   Even if there was some sort of technological relapse threat, it would still seem quite impossible unless there was a mass amount of scientist genocide in this world

  4getting2009

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9/05/11 12:40:45 PM#26
Originally posted by whosaidwhat

onsidering that Lucas stole his origibal trilogy from lord of the rings, i.e. the reason why the studios turned him down the first time.  It was to close lotr.  And most of the tech from the original was created by others.  hence tech getting better as time goes backwards.  If you were luckly to see the original interviews with lucas you would be shocked how star wars was originally written. 

Sad though. One of the greatest IPs in history was really stolen from someone else.

And Tolkien stole his ideas from Beowulf and Norse myth and they stole their ideas from...and...and..and...

  Biggus99

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9/05/11 12:44:37 PM#27
Originally posted by MMOExposed

another question. what makes the Skywalkers so powerful compared to other Jedi knights? I mean, why they so special?

Why, Midiclorians of course!  Duh.  :)

  Loke666

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9/05/11 12:51:13 PM#28
Originally posted by xS0u1zx

The difference between then and now is that technology in current days is globally shared.    Back in the ancient times only a very select few people had done wonders and knew the mysteries of science/math.    When they died all of their knowledge was lost.      In current times all knowledge is recorded in great detail, copied and released to billions to share.   Even if there was some sort of technological relapse threat, it would still seem quite impossible unless there was a mass amount of scientist genocide in this world

It is not as likely since more people can read now. But how many people do really know how something work and could rebuild it from scratch?

We have no clue what the future will bring but so far have all earlier civilizations fallen, it could happen again.

There is for one thing the possibility that a massive solar storm could take out all powerplants and electronics on earth (it has actually happened before in the 1800s but it only took out a few telegraphs since it were more or less the only electrical stuff at the time). Wewould normally rebuild that stuff in 2 years but if a war broke out when all high tech weapons didn't work anything could happen.

It is unlikely but not impossible.

There are other possibilities too. My point anyways is that it is not impossible for the technology in TOR to be better then the one in the movies.

  Loke666

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9/05/11 12:55:03 PM#29
Originally posted by whosaidwhat

onsidering that Lucas stole his origibal trilogy from lord of the rings, i.e. the reason why the studios turned him down the first time.  It was to close lotr.  And most of the tech from the original was created by others.  hence tech getting better as time goes backwards.  If you were luckly to see the original interviews with lucas you would be shocked how star wars was originally written. 

Sad though. One of the greatest IPs in history was really stolen from someone else.

He certainly did not. He stole it from Samurai, Western and WW2 movies. 

All the great IPs are stolen, Tolkien used mainly Norse mythology. Elvish is a mix between Welsh and Finnish.

  hyllstarter

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9/05/11 12:55:38 PM#30

Could it be because the future was written 30 years ago in the past when those ideas seemed futuristic And the past was written now when things seem more modern?

  muchavez

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9/05/11 12:58:29 PM#31

Because technology changed from 1977 to 2000.  You must pretty stupid not to realize this.

  deniter

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9/05/11 1:06:23 PM#32

We can easily make up an explanation for the technology issue but the fact is that George Lucas is an entertainer not a scientist. There are lots of details in SW that just doesn't make sense, but the story is awesome if you can get past the flaws.

  Dvalon

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9/05/11 1:13:15 PM#33

If you wana be a picky boy then consider the following.

"there are only two generations between us, and the stone age" - Dvalon.

For the dummies out there, if a virus was release in our planet that killed people as they matured over the age of 18, in only two life spans we would lose every bit of knoledge we have gained over hundred of years of science.

In Star Wars a universe of magic and wonder its no leap of the imagination to think that something like a galtactic scale war would knock everyone back a peg downgrading everyones tech cos all the people in the know were killed during the war.

  Britas

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9/05/11 1:14:27 PM#34
Originally posted by CNUChavez

Because technology changed from 1977 to 2000.  You must pretty stupid not to realize this.

 

He was asking if there was a LORE reason was, not what the real reason was.

Be careful calling others stupid.

  Dvalon

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9/05/11 1:17:53 PM#35
Originally posted by Britas
Originally posted by CNUChavez

Because technology changed from 1977 to 2000.  You must pretty stupid not to realize this.

 

He was asking if there was a LORE reason was, not what the real reason was.

Be careful calling others stupid.

The answer is still simple, the war.

take a look at any nation thats been ravaged by war in our own planet, god look at iraq, it used to be well established country with good infrastructure and power, few months into a war and most of its advances were bombed to hell, a war does not just wipe out the people, it wipes out the knowledge they hold and the buildings they use to maintain and advance said knowledge.

  IMPYRE

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9/05/11 1:25:04 PM#36

They should have never used 'Years' in the Star Wars Universe, I think this is where they fouled up. Do what BSG did and use the fictious word like 'Yahren' to describe something like a year 'to us earthlings'.

There was a thread on this topic already and I find it hard to believe 3500 years later, tech is still stagnant in the SWU.

  Britas

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9/05/11 5:41:56 PM#37
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

They should have never used 'Years' in the Star Wars Universe, I think this is where they fouled up. Do what BSG did and use the fictious word like 'Yahren' to describe something like a year 'to us earthlings'.

There was a thread on this topic already and I find it hard to believe 3500 years later, tech is still stagnant in the SWU.

 

 

I agree

  Distopia

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9/05/11 6:10:48 PM#38
Originally posted by Britas
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

They should have never used 'Years' in the Star Wars Universe, I think this is where they fouled up. Do what BSG did and use the fictious word like 'Yahren' to describe something like a year 'to us earthlings'.

There was a thread on this topic already and I find it hard to believe 3500 years later, tech is still stagnant in the SWU.

 

 

I agree

I do not it doesn't take much imagination to think of why things are as they are. As others have mentioned tech doesn't always move forward, especially when wide scale war takes place.

The second reason I disagree is quite simple really, this is fantasy we're talking about here. It doesn't have to be logical or scientific , all it has to do is entertain.

Also how are we judging better tech here? Looks or functionality?

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  aesperus

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9/05/11 6:14:47 PM#39
Originally posted by MMOExposed

another question. what makes the Skywalkers so powerful compared to other Jedi knights? I mean, why they so special?

Im surprised noone knows the answer to this. While it wasn't my favorite of the movies, this was explained in The Phantom Menace. The explaination is kind of weak, but it's basically this:

They have an insanely high metachlorian count. However, the 'first' three movies were pretty awful; so I'm not sure if this was ever woven into the full star wars universe, or if it stayed as something lucas just slapped into a film last minute in an attempt to explain the very question you asked.

  Sanguinelust

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9/05/11 6:15:21 PM#40
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Britas
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

They should have never used 'Years' in the Star Wars Universe, I think this is where they fouled up. Do what BSG did and use the fictious word like 'Yahren' to describe something like a year 'to us earthlings'.

There was a thread on this topic already and I find it hard to believe 3500 years later, tech is still stagnant in the SWU.

 

 

I agree

I do not it doesn't take much imagination to think of why things are as they are. As others have mentioned tech doesn't always move forward, especially when wide scale war takes place.

The second reason I disagree is quite simple really, this is fantasy we're talking about here. It doesn't have to be logical or scientific , all it has to do is entertain.

Also how are we judging better tech here? Looks or functionality?

That's it.

If people are so uptight about it then maybe they should find another game.

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