Originally posted by PadmeAm
Some games/companies actually do the F2P model and get it quite right... LotRO for example has a really good model and as a lifetimer I didnt (and still dont) feel screwed when they introduced the F2P...

The WoW version as an another example is something else... Dont like that at all, its more like an extended trail trail and even for that it has way too many restrictions...

For other games I dont know besides from what I read about it and I can feel the fragile balance between making alot of money and not making the mistake of ''Pay 2 Win''...

Whats sad.....is STO has sort of had a free to play model since the beginning.  But for some reason they got a little confused and thought F2P meant charging for subscriptions while having an absolutely massive item shop. 

Its okay.  Im just glad they figured it out. 

It will be interesting to see the difference between Runic Games and Cryptic come next year.

Well this game was P2P+p2w item store for a long time. I was amazed that someone was playing it actually , well not much people since this game population is preety low.

F2P will help this game a bit at the beggining after transformation as it always is for first few months after p2p->f2p transform, but later on? Doubt it.

It will struggle as it is struggling now. Will have bigger population but less $ per one consumer so imho will be more or less same as now.

STO is just bad quality , badly designed game and there is no saving for this game in longer perspective imho.

F2P will at best extend this game's life thus gives bit of profit to company for a bit longer time.

Cryptics main source of income has been releasing ridiculously OP ship on cash shop, wait till every cookiecutterboi had bought it, then reply on forums to people whining about the ship "WE LISTEN!!" and then nerf the ship to oblivion only to restart the cycle few months later with yet another OP ship...it works because basic MMO player has memory and attention span of an goldfish.

If you have played the game you sure as heck wont want to pay for it. Good job on making it free!!

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And I still have to purchase races / items from the cash shops?

I refuse to play Cryptic. They ask way too much for whay they offer. I'm getting tired of these nickel & diming schemes.

Serious...  whatever happened to actually having to earn your in-game items?

I don't even want to know how ruthless their "free" model is going to be. You probably have to pay for every step forward your character takes.

I would have been more interested in hearing about Torchlight 2 instead of the MMO. I'm not uninterested in the MMO, it's just that it's going to be a long while before it actually releases and TL2 is supposed to happen soon.

Not sure what to think about Star Trek. I honestly would have been more interested if the IP was set during the original Star Trek or the recent movie reboot. The information they released about the Star Trek universe prior to releasing the game was far more interesting than the game itself. None of the political intrigue or factional warfare...and hardly any exploration. They really over sold it.

Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by AlexTaldren

Are the doors and interiors still 10x too large?  Are the teleporter pads big enough for a car?  Cryptic failed at the most basic things... this game isn't worth your time even if it is F2P.

Yes and yes.  The interiors are gigantic.  Hallways are large enough to hold a Nascar race down them.  Transporter pads could double as a boxing ring. 

 

They did this due to camera issues or something. 

 

Space combat is really fun although repetitive.  Ground combat has been improved or....supposedly it has been.  There's a first person shooting mechanic thats optional but I never used it.   For the most part, its the same old game as far as I could tell.  I played it about a month ago for a few weeks. 

 

Yeah, I remember them throwing out the "camera issue" excuse as well.  I call it lazy game design. The space combat was okay... but let's remember that they simply copy/pasted what had been done by the Starfleet Command games.  They did nothing that hadn't been done before, but worse.

Originally posted by AlexTaldren

Yeah, I remember them throwing out the "camera issue" excuse as well.  I call it lazy game design. The space combat was okay... but let's remember that they simply copy/pasted what had been done by the Starfleet Command games.  They did nothing that hadn't been done before, but worse.

 

It was a rush job and they didnt want to mess with the engine to fix the problem so they can get thier millions for relesing the game early. I mean seaiosly who would relese a entire game with doors and halways that large unless it was to contian some gaint creatures or some big props that needed it for the atmosphere of the area.

Can't wait till they annouce all the restrictions f2p will have, that will determine if I give the game another go. Like all the other games that went f2p Ill wait till the dust clears of all the players who went to play for a month or two before they jump ship thats only if SWToR is a bust for me.

Ummmm..been a player since Open Beta. Subscriber now but play very little lately. Do not honestly know what is the matter but I just rarely feel like playing any more. I like the space game altho a previous poster was correct, repetitive. Ground combat has a new 'target reticule' system but I don't care at all for an arcade system so it is still the same for me.

Do not know what the F2P will look like and wonder what they have in store for us subscribing players. "Premium' model I guess.  Just have to wait and see. SWTOR, GW2 and TSW will be on my computer when they release but STO will stay if it goes F2P.

Originally posted by Valefan

F2P-model is fine as long as they don't do it the Age of Conan-way which is so restriced to players it's actually nothing less than a trial.

Uho how is hundrets of hours content and quests, lvl 80  and all a trial ?

begging much ?

Originally posted by precious328

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Originally posted by Corehaven

Originally posted by Paradigm68

There is something seriously wrong with the MMO industry that couldn't produce a blockbuster thriving dynamic deep immersive MMO out of the Star Trek IP.

But.....it was Cryptic + Atari.   I'll say that again.  Cryptic + Atari. 

 

There's your "seriously wrong" right there.  Im surprised it was actually as good as it was.   I mean, it was like a blind man trying to paint the Mona Lisa.   Or a fisherman trying to catch a salmon with a potatoe. 

 

I know the industry as a whole has its problems but lets not go that far. 

 

Besides there's some good things to be had with this game.  I still think its probably the best Star Trek game ever made.  Its just not much of an mmorpg. 

character customization was the best part of this MMO, after that it's a train wreck

Originally posted by precious328

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$50.00 Game Purchase (at launch)

$14.99 per month

$14.99 per month

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And I still have to purchase races / items from the cash shops?

I refuse to play Cryptic. They ask way too much for whay they offer. I'm getting tired of these nickel & diming schemes.

 

Serious...  whatever happened to actually having to earn your in-game items?

I don't even want to know how ruthless their "free" model is going to be. You probably have to pay for every step forward your character takes.

 

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That is pretty crazy, i never knew about that. They took a subscription game, and put in a cash shop? That is pretty greedy move on them. Honestly, that makes me, not even want to try their f2p model, if their  pay 2 play model was that bad, imange how they are going to try to scheme money out of people with a f2p model. I didn't see World of warcraft charging people for vanity in game, while charging us a monthy fee. Greedy company for shore 

50 bucks for the game, plus 14.99 a month, and i have to spend extra for extras in the game?Thats ludicrous! Thanks for the warning. 

 

I hope we (Lifers) get Points; much like how Turbine did it....

Fixing a broken/boring game by going free to play will probably not work.

A shitty game is still a shitty game, whenver it's free or not.

I'm not one to ussually post a comment, but I felt I needed to on this one. I've been playing a wide variety of games for a long time and as we all know sometimes the cost of just getting a game can be outragous. I for one was in beta testing for this game and when it went live I had pre-ordered making sure I got the item I wanted which in my case I wanted the U.S.S. Enterprise, and then for a solid year I paid the monthly sub., but eventually as much as I liked the game I had to stop playing because I couldn't afford to pay for it anymore. Now I never knew when, but I did fell that eventually they would change it to f2p so I never deleted it from my system, so all I really hope for is that I get to keep everything I do have, and the play at least is as good as I felt it was when I was paying for it. I for one will play it again from time to time when I do have the time and if they have items in the shop that I fell I can afford occationally then I will get something, otherwise I'll just be glad that a game that I paid for is available for me to play again.

*EDIT* - Those to places where it says "fell", should have said "feel", they really need an edit option on this.

Originally posted by Dyner

I hope we (Lifers) get Points; much like how Turbine did it....

Much like Cryptic does it: Champions Online Lifers get points.