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  HiGHPLAiNS

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8/27/11 7:50:35 AM#1

 

Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, I believed if they made a Star Wars mmo 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting title.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Anakin was born?
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp and what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villianin the Star Wars Universe and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor in a Star Wars Universe in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.
Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, How about if they made a Star Wars mmorpg 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting mmorpg title. I am pretty sure this has come up before.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Darth Vader was the menace?
 
If we go back in our timeline (RL) to 1500 BC, we have made some serious leaps in technology, compared to what they had.
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp of what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villian in the Star Wars Universe, how is the technology now, who is that NPC character a descendant of and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor if the Star Wars Universe was based in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.
  Xerenix

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8/27/11 8:08:48 AM#2

Maybe it would have, if they made Kotor in that timeline but since Kotor is set in the Old Republic era, this mmo will also be set in the same era.

  Beanpuie

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8/27/11 8:14:00 AM#3

A Star Wars EU time line would be something i would strongly approve of, though their would be a bit of lore that one may have to follow , but the freedom of adding things into the universe is just as great as what they are doing with the old republic.

 

around that time at least early after the movies,  there were some great threats that just didnt involve the Sith or empire/ex-empire groups.

like the Yuuzhan Vong race/empire(?), which nearly destroyed the republic. their abilities i wont list but will say are dangerous as well as multiple.

now would they be around 1000 years plus? i think so, cant say why but im sure writers could fit them some where like they always do.

 

  Leethe

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8/27/11 8:16:42 AM#4

Interesting subject.

As far as the technology goes...in 40,000 years of human developement we have gone from throwing rocks to throwing a sharp rock on the end of a stick to throwing a very small chemically driven rock at high speed. We can even make some rocks explode on impact. We have guided exploding rocks on occasion as well but in the end it's still just throwing rocks.

Our most advanced energy generators be they fission, fusion, solor, wind or wave are still just clever steam engines with a fancy boiler. In that context a thousand years, if you manage to avoid societal collapse, war, invasion by aliens (frequent events in Star wars universe) and cosmic catastophe and exodus, is not a great deal of time to fundamentally change the basis of your technology.

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  User Deleted
8/27/11 8:29:39 AM#5
By the time episode 4 rolls around, a space station can splode entire planets. Who is to say technology hasn't advanced? Maybe toiletries and recycling have improved! Now, I don't live in the galaxy far, far away, so I can't go on the record- but I think a fictional world is allowed to improve and advance at a rate that isn't the exact same as planet earth. All I know is that the Old Republic is a damn fine bit of lore, provided you don't throw it under a judgmental microscope, specifically searching for flaws. Nothing fits right when you do that.
  Lord.Bachus

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8/27/11 1:28:36 PM#6
actually the universe has been in decline... Just as europe did during the dark ages,..... technollogy development has come to halt and jedis have allmost dissapeared since then.

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  raistlinm

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8/27/11 1:33:44 PM#7
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

 

Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, I believed if they made a Star Wars mmo 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting title.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Anakin was born?
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp and what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villianin the Star Wars Universe and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor in a Star Wars Universe in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.
Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, How about if they made a Star Wars mmorpg 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting mmorpg title. I am pretty sure this has come up before.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Darth Vader was the menace?
 
If we go back in our timeline (RL) to 1500 BC, we have made some serious leaps in technology, compared to what they had.
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp of what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villian in the Star Wars Universe, how is the technology now, who is that NPC character a descendant of and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor if the Star Wars Universe was based in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.

 Using your logic that "we all ned something we can recognize" unkown ip's have no chance in the market I enjoy the mythos of star wars so it makes me little difference if it is thousands of years before after during or an alternate time line situation much like comics are known to do.

  xm522

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8/27/11 1:35:25 PM#8
Originally posted by Leethe

Interesting subject.

As far as the technology goes...in 40,000 years of human developement we have gone from throwing rocks to throwing a sharp rock on the end of a stick to throwing a very small chemically driven rock at high speed. We can even make some rocks explode on impact. We have guided exploding rocks on occasion as well but in the end it's still just throwing rocks.

Our most advanced energy generators be they fission, fusion, solor, wind or wave are still just clever steam engines with a fancy boiler. In that context a thousand years, if you manage to avoid societal collapse, war, invasion by aliens (frequent events in Star wars universe) and cosmic catastophe and exodus, is not a great deal of time to fundamentally change the basis of your technology.

this is so innacurate it almost made me throw up... especially the part where you called solar, wind, fusion steam engines. if this was a physics or engineering forum i would explain them to you, but it is not. just want people to realise that this is completely innacurate

- Physics major

  raistlinm

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8/27/11 1:40:28 PM#9
Originally posted by Irish
By the time episode 4 rolls around, a space station can splode entire planets. Who is to say technology hasn't advanced? Maybe toiletries and recycling have improved! Now, I don't live in the galaxy far, far away, so I can't go on the record- but I think a fictional world is allowed to improve and advance at a rate that isn't the exact same as planet earth. All I know is that the Old Republic is a damn fine bit of lore, provided you don't throw it under a judgmental microscope, specifically searching for flaws. Nothing fits right when you do that.

 This as well especially the part about not putting the universe under the jedgemental microscope it used to always trip me out when people would literally lose it over Jedi  being in SWG.  I understand when the lore was originated we were told that not a single Jedi existed but why was it so hard to think if LA and SOE now say "we didn't have the whole story and some actually did survive" it's so hard to accept that's the way it is?

  MMO.Maverick

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8/27/11 1:57:57 PM#10

Interesting topic.

I think that choosing to have a SW MMO in an era after the movies would have made a very good choice too.

 

As for the technology, well, if you look at all the books and stories that take place in the Expanded Universe of Star Wars, then you'll notice that there isn't that large differences in technology or core culture and civilisationsthroughout the Star Wars eras. Which is a writer and creator thing: they use to stick close to what is known. In a lot of scifi stories there isn't that much change in the future, and when it comes to franchises, there's even less change since they want to stick close to the core franchise because of recognisability.

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  Isane

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8/27/11 2:04:53 PM#11
Originally posted by xm522
Originally posted by Leethe

Interesting subject.

As far as the technology goes...in 40,000 years of human developement we have gone from throwing rocks to throwing a sharp rock on the end of a stick to throwing a very small chemically driven rock at high speed. We can even make some rocks explode on impact. We have guided exploding rocks on occasion as well but in the end it's still just throwing rocks.

Our most advanced energy generators be they fission, fusion, solor, wind or wave are still just clever steam engines with a fancy boiler. In that context a thousand years, if you manage to avoid societal collapse, war, invasion by aliens (frequent events in Star wars universe) and cosmic catastophe and exodus, is not a great deal of time to fundamentally change the basis of your technology.

this is so innacurate it almost made me throw up... especially the part where you called solar, wind, fusion steam engines. if this was a physics or engineering forum i would explain them to you, but it is not. just want people to realise that this is completely innacurate

- Physics major

This is a context; And no need to be  a smart arse...... Beacuse you added nothing to the conversation

A example on the same lines..... Nuclear Power stations are being shut down in favor of Wind generation...

Maybe enough of them will be shutdown that the tech declines noone knows but the technology timeline in SWTOR is not only fine but reasonable. (Another little tip , it is not real life so go figure with your worthless Major because these games can be whatever they wan't to be and Bioware/Lucas Arts have defined this).

 

IN answer to the OP ; I am happy with the timeline they have developed and a future one would have been fine also.

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  xm522

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8/27/11 3:21:30 PM#12
Originally posted by Isane
Originally posted by xm522
Originally posted by Leethe

Interesting subject.

As far as the technology goes...in 40,000 years of human developement we have gone from throwing rocks to throwing a sharp rock on the end of a stick to throwing a very small chemically driven rock at high speed. We can even make some rocks explode on impact. We have guided exploding rocks on occasion as well but in the end it's still just throwing rocks.

Our most advanced energy generators be they fission, fusion, solor, wind or wave are still just clever steam engines with a fancy boiler. In that context a thousand years, if you manage to avoid societal collapse, war, invasion by aliens (frequent events in Star wars universe) and cosmic catastophe and exodus, is not a great deal of time to fundamentally change the basis of your technology.

this is so innacurate it almost made me throw up... especially the part where you called solar, wind, fusion steam engines. if this was a physics or engineering forum i would explain them to you, but it is not. just want people to realise that this is completely innacurate

- Physics major

This is a context; And no need to be  a smart arse...... Beacuse you added nothing to the conversation

A example on the same lines..... Nuclear Power stations are being shut down in favor of Wind generation...

Maybe enough of them will be shutdown that the tech declines noone knows but the technology timeline in SWTOR is not only fine but reasonable. (Another little tip , it is not real life so go figure with your worthless Major because these games can be whatever they wan't to be and Bioware/Lucas Arts have defined this).

 

IN answer to the OP ; I am happy with the timeline they have developed and a future one would have been fine also.

it's cool if you didn't undestand that i was just letting people know of the innacuracy of that statement, and how it relates to the OP's topic, in 3,500 years the technology should be far less advanced than the one in the vader era, even if we take events similar to the dark ages into conscious. plz analyse well before quoting what i say, i dont tend to spoon feed my meanings. and the person i was quoting was trying to make a statement about real life, so i do not understand what the problem is. in fact, i do not mind the
SWTOR universe at all, they can do what ever they want with it, but the OP makes some serious sense. a sequel is more interesting than a prequel. and i love my worhless career tyvm

  Chieftan

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8/27/11 3:28:44 PM#13

I always envisioned the prequels to be set in a time where similar tech existed but was much more sparse.

But apparently the SW universe is set in an age where technology had peaked and plateaued for centuries. 

Overall I think it was a good idea to set up the Empire as the enemy again...although I never knew it had previously existed in a similar form to that of the original trilogy.

  thexrated

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8/27/11 8:06:40 PM#14

Technology never was a selling point in Star Wars, it is Space Opera (aka futuristic fantasy) not hardcore Science Fiction.

There is also quite a bit material for The Old Republic era, like games, books and comics. Should be relatively easy to get into the period if you are interested.

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  Techleo

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8/27/11 8:14:20 PM#15

When you factor in exponential growth technology grows faster the longer it exists. That is unless the system has a growth limitor. However George Lucas made it very clear in several talks that he didn't take that into account when writing the storyline. He said, he just didn't consider it. Since people try to make sense of the system, they try to come up with some logical means to explain the way technology grows or doesn't. Be it a resource factor, societal, planned societal mechanic or even the force itself impacting the universe. The truth is, there is no answer, unless you want to come up with one.

  ericlatrelle

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8/27/11 8:17:45 PM#16
I really never understood how people say that they can't see any similarities between the Old Republic and the Original Trilogy. There are many things from the OR that are recognizable in the OT. George Lucas stated a long time ago that he made the OT to be kind of grundge and run down. That was the appeal that he was looking for. With that in mind, it isn't that far fetched that the tech hasn't changed much in a millenia. As a previous poster had said, the tech had plateaued to where there isn't that much advancement.

I wouldn't have minded if the game was made after the OT. Heck that's how I felt about SWG. To me, SWG's failure was basing it in the OT time frame because that particular time between ANH and ESB is too restrictive to develop anything for without the purist whining at every juncture.
  Thupli

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8/27/11 8:28:31 PM#17
It doesn't matter when it is set so long as people use light sabers and the Force!
  Corehaven

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8/27/11 8:33:04 PM#18
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

 

Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, I believed if they made a Star Wars mmo 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting title.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Anakin was born?
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp and what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villianin the Star Wars Universe and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor in a Star Wars Universe in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.
Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, How about if they made a Star Wars mmorpg 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting mmorpg title. I am pretty sure this has come up before.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Darth Vader was the menace?
 
If we go back in our timeline (RL) to 1500 BC, we have made some serious leaps in technology, compared to what they had.
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp of what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villian in the Star Wars Universe, how is the technology now, who is that NPC character a descendant of and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor if the Star Wars Universe was based in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.

Okay.  So the game is set 1000 years later.  And things could possibly be.....you know....EXACTLY the same. 

 

With absolutely no difference what so ever.  At all.  Period. 

 

Now as far as technology goes, Ive always somewhat considered that the Star Wars Universe seems to have advanced about as much as it can.  There never seems to be an real leap.  Occasional hard wars only seem to devastate, and technology might take a small leap backwards, only to eventually catch back up to where it was.  New ideas do happen Im sure, but perhaps nothing greatly significant or lasting. 

 

You might compare it more to earths past history.  Hundreds of years could pass and not much happened.  The progress of technology was infinitely slow compared to how fast we progress now.  And this progress we as a human race have started making, really only started a huge leap about 100 years ago or so.  The further you go back in history, the slower we seemed to progress.  But what happens when we reach our limit?  And gone about as far forward as we possibly could? 

  xm522

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8/27/11 8:33:28 PM#19
Originally posted by Techleo

When you factor in exponential growth technology grows faster the longer it exists. That is unless the system has a growth limitor. However George Lucas made it very clear in several talks that he didn't take that into account when writing the storyline. He said, he just didn't consider it. Since people try to make sense of the system, they try to come up with some logical means to explain the way technology grows or doesn't. Be it a resource factor, societal, planned societal mechanic or even the force itself impacting the universe. The truth is, there is no answer, unless you want to come up with one.

i completely agree with your statement.
there is no answer, other than it being a hole in the IP. therefore, if the game was set after the vader era we would not have a problem. since the devs could have manipulated technology as they wished. i see this current setting to be very limmiting on expansions, because they really cannot increase any form of technology because that would then surpass the future tech. also, i would expect styles of 3,500 years ago to be different to those of the future... the whole thing just seems to not be well planned, just saying.

  xm522

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8/27/11 8:37:40 PM#20
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS

 

Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, I believed if they made a Star Wars mmo 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting title.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Anakin was born?
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp and what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villianin the Star Wars Universe and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor in a Star Wars Universe in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.
Instead of 3500 years before Darth Vader, How about if they made a Star Wars mmorpg 1000+ years after the death of Darth Vader, you may have a more intersting mmorpg title. I am pretty sure this has come up before.
 
I am just not buying the technology stalemate from SWtOR to Darth Vader era. Are you telling me technology then was just as good as it was when Darth Vader was the menace?
 
If we go back in our timeline (RL) to 1500 BC, we have made some serious leaps in technology, compared to what they had.
 
Besides that little rant...
 
My reason is this, we all need something we can recoqnize. 1000+ years is a very long time, however you could possibly see remnants of the old Star Wars Universe that most of us could grasp of what we saw in the movies.
 
Pieces of the Death Star on a nearby planet, broken down Xwings, Tie Fighters, AT-AT's, how is the Galactic Empire 1000 years down the road, who is the new villian in the Star Wars Universe, how is the technology now, who is that NPC character a descendant of and the list can go on and on.
 
I believe I would feel more of the immersion factor if the Star Wars Universe was based in a future setting than a past setting, but this is just my opinion and probably don't speak for the masses.

Okay.  So the game is set 1000 years later.  And things could possibly be.....you know....EXACTLY the same. 

 

With absolutely no difference what so ever.  At all.  Period. 

 

Now as far as technology goes, Ive always somewhat considered that the Star Wars Universe seems to have advanced about as much as it can.  There never seems to be an real leap.  Occasional hard wars only seem to devastate, and technology might take a small leap backwards, only to eventually catch back up to where it was.  New ideas do happen Im sure, but perhaps nothing greatly significant or lasting. 

 

You might compare it more to earths past history.  Hundreds of years could pass and not much happened.  The progress of technology was infinitely slow compared to how fast we progress now.  And this progress we as a human race have started making, really only started a huge leap about 100 years ago or so.  The further you go back in history, the slower we seemed to progress.  But what happens when we reach our limit?  And gone about as far forward as we possibly could? 

actually, war can have the opposite effect. we owe a lot of our technology to war. in war nations and civilizations try to improve technology to have the upper hand. war advances technology. earth's past history of the dark age's occured because of the power of the church and it's policy of non naturalistic knowledge.

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