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  jiveturkey12

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8/25/11 7:39:12 PM#161

Something people are leaving out of this.


 


How many MMO's Let people get married despite being same sex?


 


Even EQ let you!!! How many years ago was that?


  teakbois

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8/25/11 7:42:45 PM#162
Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Something people are leaving out of this.


 


How many MMO's Let people get married despite being same sex?


 


Even EQ let you!!! How many years ago was that?

This is the first Ive known of to exclude same sex relationships from whatever system was in place.

  rygard49

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8/25/11 8:00:54 PM#163

Nothing stopping you from finding another dude or chick that's a real player and having your same sex star wars fantasy with them. It will be far more fulfilling in the long run than any robotic "relationship" you end up having with an NPC. And in every other Bioware release that's included a relationship angle, it has been completely optional. Now if BW were forcing people to go through the relationship story, that's one thing, but there's nothing to say yet that they are.

 

Sometimes I think people just like to find reasons to be offended and/or feel discriminated against.

 

  inzane3

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8/25/11 8:03:05 PM#164

It's simple, anybody that is being straight isn't contraversial and doesn't offend anyone. Not even a gay person could turn around and say: 'Oh my god, that's disgusting! How could you do that!?'


As soon as homosexuality comes in to play, things turn contraversial and people could get offended. So easiest solution is: 'Just leave it out and nobody is going to cry or moan.'


  Kyleran

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8/25/11 8:03:12 PM#165
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by Kyleran

 

Thats this site though.


Most people here are burned out on the themepark model. So they will take any excuse to bash the game that they can. I bet you most people don't give a rat's ass about the issue one way or the other. They are just using it to put their spin on SWTOR. Just like these last three articles are more about generating hype for the site than personally held beliefs.


It's also been said "There is no such thing as bad press." So while I think Bioware wishes they were talking more  about game mechanics, they are probably happy people are talking.

Wait a minute, as the OP noted, "I’d rather be worried about the unannounced “Legacy” end-game system, and the world PvP info we’ve yet to hear squat about"

so you're correct, it is EA/Bioware's fault after all since their Developer decided to discuss this same sex content issue with some folks rather than share more details on the above said topics which would be more interesting I'll grant you.

Stop being so defensive about discussions regarding SWTOR, the title doesn't need a defense attorney.

I never said it was Bioware's fault. I have no idea how you extrapolated that from my post.

It's not their fault that people nitpick about every little detail. Bioware could release one of those game guides on the game and people would still complain. For alot of people it's the only thing they are good at.

The three articles that were released attacking SWTOR from this site were done for a reason. They knew they would garner attention to the articles and the site. All three articles were pretty weak with half -assed arguments.

For instance his irresponsible comment "This “news” created a virtual sh*t-storm on the internet, with LGBT and homophobes battling in a forum version of the Thunderdome." Which is in the same vein as Bushs famous "Your either with us or your with the terrorists." So if you have any other position besides the LBGT your a homophobe.

I don't blame them for going this route. The results speak for themselves. These are the most viewed and commented posts by the writers on the site. They are also some of the weakest articles that are easily picked apart. I think it's because the writer's knew this when they wrote the posts.

You didn't realize that in presenting your argument, you basically called out Bioware who chose to discuss this subject rather than share some more along the lines of game mechanics that remain unknown, ergo the entire thread is Bioware's fault.

Look, these forums are for PVP, and the thread topics of course are going to be skewed to incite comment.  Yet you always seem so surprised that they do this and decry the action.  Are you sure you're at the right forums?

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  Spazkat

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Joined: 5/14/11
Posts: 20

8/25/11 8:05:15 PM#166

who cares about stupid relationships in a game....

i'll be playing a game & having fun not looking for a virtual date.

  hayes303

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Posts: 355

8/25/11 8:10:56 PM#167

Its a game, and I don't rp, so I wouldn't care if they didn't include hetro relationships, but made donkey lovin availible. 

  dpcollier128

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Joined: 8/21/11
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8/25/11 9:13:15 PM#168

I can't really care either way on the LGBT issue, though I do have an open mind on such things. I think the idea to remove this feature of the game would work out best for this tender subject, but for some, that can't excuse some intolerance on EA/BioWare's part to deny same-sex arcs in one of their games, compared to some of the others that they'd allowed it. Not trying to stoke the flame war or anything, but that's what I think on the subject.

Whichever way it ends up, I don't think I'll persue a same-sex arc. Might find a... somewhat rewarding strait one otherwise, though. I'm strait, 'nuff said. I'm not saying the option for alternatives shouldn't be available, though. It takes all kinds.

Besides, it's just a game... if you want a girlfriend, find one out there. Not in here.

  chakalaka

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Joined: 5/01/10
Posts: 240

The thing is... you're important to a lot of people.

8/25/11 9:26:07 PM#169

It's kind of funny that anyone 18 years of age or older actually care either way, it shows immaturity if you're for or against it... you should just not care, especially virtually. GET OVER IT.


  Beyorn

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Joined: 10/27/08
Posts: 231

8/25/11 9:34:50 PM#170
As a game that children will play I don’t think it needs to be in and that goes for homo or hetero period ;D.  Now if this game was mature I wouldn't have a problem with it.  I don’t want to sound like I’m coming off as an ass but I personally could care less about relationships in a game.  I like to play them to have fun and forget my worries.  If I want relationships with whomever I would go outside and we ALL know outside is vastly overrated. 
  Nesrie

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8/25/11 9:37:51 PM#171

There are so many people out there who fill threatened by other people's sexuality. Bioware/EA is caving into this fearful group.


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  Atlan99

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Joined: 8/07/08
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8/25/11 10:01:33 PM#172
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Atlan99
Originally posted by Kyleran

 

Thats this site though.


Most people here are burned out on the themepark model. So they will take any excuse to bash the game that they can. I bet you most people don't give a rat's ass about the issue one way or the other. They are just using it to put their spin on SWTOR. Just like these last three articles are more about generating hype for the site than personally held beliefs.


It's also been said "There is no such thing as bad press." So while I think Bioware wishes they were talking more  about game mechanics, they are probably happy people are talking.

Wait a minute, as the OP noted, "I’d rather be worried about the unannounced “Legacy” end-game system, and the world PvP info we’ve yet to hear squat about"

so you're correct, it is EA/Bioware's fault after all since their Developer decided to discuss this same sex content issue with some folks rather than share more details on the above said topics which would be more interesting I'll grant you.

Stop being so defensive about discussions regarding SWTOR, the title doesn't need a defense attorney.

I never said it was Bioware's fault. I have no idea how you extrapolated that from my post.

It's not their fault that people nitpick about every little detail. Bioware could release one of those game guides on the game and people would still complain. For alot of people it's the only thing they are good at.

The three articles that were released attacking SWTOR from this site were done for a reason. They knew they would garner attention to the articles and the site. All three articles were pretty weak with half -assed arguments.

For instance his irresponsible comment "This “news” created a virtual sh*t-storm on the internet, with LGBT and homophobes battling in a forum version of the Thunderdome." Which is in the same vein as Bushs famous "Your either with us or your with the terrorists." So if you have any other position besides the LBGT your a homophobe.

I don't blame them for going this route. The results speak for themselves. These are the most viewed and commented posts by the writers on the site. They are also some of the weakest articles that are easily picked apart. I think it's because the writer's knew this when they wrote the posts.

You didn't realize that in presenting your argument, you basically called out Bioware who chose to discuss this subject rather than share some more along the lines of game mechanics that remain unknown, ergo the entire thread is Bioware's fault.

Look, these forums are for PVP, and the thread topics of course are going to be skewed to incite comment.  Yet you always seem so surprised that they do this and decry the action.  Are you sure you're at the right forums?

 

 
Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "after this, therefore because of this," is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states, "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one." It is often shortened to simply post hoc and is also sometimes referred to as false cause, coincidental correlation, or correlation not causation. It is subtly different from the fallacy cum hoc ergo propter hoc, in which the chronological ordering of a correlation is insignificant.
Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to be integral to causality. The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection.
 
  Thupli

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Joined: 7/25/11
Posts: 387

8/25/11 10:03:04 PM#173

1. Heterosexual relationships are evolution's natural way of propogating the human species.  Homosexual relationships, however,  do not allow for propogation.


2.  Evolution also selects against Homosexual relationships, because they cannot propogate in such a relationship.


3.  As a result, Homosexuality is a recessive trait that can be seen to re-occur in the minority of people.


 


The question is, is Lucas Arts under the gun because they aren't showing the minority of sexual relationships?  Should they also show transgender and bi-sexual relationships?


The simple reality is that you can never get away from implied heterosexual relationships in any game that offers "humans" as a race due to the fact that for the race to exist in the first place there must indeed be heterosexual propogation.  Homosexuality will always be in a secondary category, because the game will have to go out of the way to explain such a thing.  It's up to each game developer to conclude what they will or will not include in the game. 


And let's all remember that just because homosexuality isn't in any of the quest lines doesn't mean that it isnt out there somewhere in the Starwars universe, as many of you have pointed out.


  Thupli

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8/25/11 10:05:18 PM#174

Doh, screwed up poitn 2. which should have read "homosexuality" not "heterosexuality".


 


Too bad you cant edit :C


  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

8/25/11 10:09:52 PM#175
Originally posted by Thupli

Doh, screwed up poitn 2. which should have read "homosexuality" not "heterosexuality".


 


Too bad you cant edit :C

you can edit...
hit the edit button...

With all due respect sir everything you said in your post was pure opinion.

  Jenuviel

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8/25/11 10:14:22 PM#176
Originally posted by Spazkat

who cares about stupid relationships in a game....

i'll be playing a game & having fun not looking for a virtual date.

 

The answer to your question is one of the main reasons people are upset: BioWare. BioWare cares about "stupid relationships in a game," which is why they've been including them in all of their games since at least 2003. They've been including same-gender relationships in their games since 2005, with the possible exception of the Mass Effect series (which only had the female-female option).

 

BioWare still apparently considers romantic relationships to be important in their games, because they announced them for The Old Republic, but then they made a point of saying there would be no same-gender relationships at all for the first time in six years. Thusly, it comes across as: "We think this is an important feature, but not important enough to include it for everyone." That's why people are upset.

 

For those who are feeling excluded in this "romance" situation (whether male or female, gay or straight), it's the same thing as hearing: "We believe PvP is important to our game, which is why we've included it for all Caucasian avatars."  Now, just replace "PvP" with "Romance" and "Caucasian" with "Heterosexual," and you have the crux of the outrage. The forum arguments we've heard supporting BioWare's decision have so far been akin to  "I'm not a pvper, so I don't have a problem with this,"  "If you're not Caucasian and PvP is important to you, you can always roll a Caucasian alt," "PvP is optional, so you can skip it" and "Well, it costs more money to tint the avatar's skin." Obviously, if you have dark skin, none of these would be (or should be) particularly comforting arguments to you.

 

Now, if I put myself in the above situation, I'm not directly affected; I'm Caucasian and I hate PvP.  In the current situation, I'm still not affected: I love romance, but I'm heterosexual. Does that mean I shouldn't care? For me, the answer is "no." This smacks of discrimination to me, and I contacted Origin about my pre-order today to put my money where my mouth is. I suppose the question comes down to where you draw the line.  If you draw the line a little further back, that's your business, but don't kid yourself into thinking that the line doesn't exist. BioWare's previous efforts to erase said line (see: Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2, and even Mass Effect 1 & 2) are why it's so shocking to be having this conversation about it now, and why it's so obvious that they've not only redrawn the line, but taken a step backwards across it.

  gigat

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8/25/11 10:15:57 PM#177

I figured it out, they're saving same-gender relationships for the first expansion!

 

What about robot-sex? And interspecies? if my jedi can't stick it to R2-D2, then I'm not playing.... period.. that will totally destroy the game for me

  APRIME

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8/25/11 10:15:59 PM#178
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

Star Wars is for children, they decided that Gay and Lesbian relationships aren't for children.  Thats ONE reason.

But why would a relationship between two women for example be damaging for a child, while a relationship between a guy and a woman wouldn't?

 

He didn't use the word "damaging", YOU did.  Are you subconsciously against such relationships?  What's wrong with you?

  Urvan

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8/25/11 10:47:31 PM#179

Speaking from a gay guy's perspective, I'd have to say I don't feel this would make a or brake the game, or any other games for that matter, for me in order to enjoy it.  Sure its great when I find that some companies support gay relationships, I was over the moon when I found Lionheart Studios did this for Fable series and was surprised that Microsoft went along with it.  However, I don't see gay relationships, or any relationship, being a vital part of any game and I'm quite used to the fact that its more common for straight relationships to exist and that some people may not be comfortable with the idea of same sex relationships and therefor could discourage them from wanting to play.  As far as I'm concerned, what can't really affect my real personal life can't really hurt me, and since this doesn't affect what goes on in my personal love life, I say let it be.




  Shadanwolf

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8/25/11 10:50:45 PM#180

I wont play any game that has same sex marriage. I won't validate the  agenda of those developers who put it in their game. I have quit one game so far for this reason. ...and not started others.

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