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  User Deleted
8/24/11 1:09:45 PM#121


Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
The funny part is I can say the same thing about the TOR fanatics that post in the GW2 forums! I will never understand why people post in game forums they are not interested in, if you are not going to play TOR then do not post in there forums and disrupt conversations. If you are not going to play TSW then do not go into their forums. What is the point of going there when you are not even going to play the game!

The sad thing is the ToR hate flows into General Discussion and even the GW2 forum as well. People bash ToR all over the place on this site. Hell I cant even read a GW2 feature without someone coming along and saying how ToR failing. There is no comparison to ToR hate vs GW2 hate. It is boiling over everywhere not just ToR forums. I actually think there are people that are pro GW2 for no other reason than they hate ToR.

  Puremallace

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8/24/11 1:11:05 PM#122
Originally posted by Foomerang

The sad thing is the ToR hate flows into General Discussion and even the GW2 forum as well. People bash ToR all over the place on this site. Hell I cant even read a GW2 feature without someone coming along and saying how ToR failing. There is no comparison to ToR hate vs GW2 hate. It is boiling over everywhere not just ToR forums. I actually think there are people that are pro GW2 for no other reason than they hate ToR.

Pretty sure Rift gets more hate with ToR in a close second.

  User Deleted
8/24/11 1:13:56 PM#123


Originally posted by Puremallace


Originally posted by Foomerang

The sad thing is the ToR hate flows into General Discussion and even the GW2 forum as well. People bash ToR all over the place on this site. Hell I cant even read a GW2 feature without someone coming along and saying how ToR failing. There is no comparison to ToR hate vs GW2 hate. It is boiling over everywhere not just ToR forums. I actually think there are people that are pro GW2 for no other reason than they hate ToR.


Pretty sure Rift gets more hate with ToR in a close second.


Yeah Rift is a special case. Usually after an mmo has been out for a few months, the hate dies down. But for some reason, Rift is another hate magnet long after launch.

  LauZaIM

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8/24/11 1:17:28 PM#124

I reccommend the other of this article check out this sticky on the official forums. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=300223 It has tons of information on TOR. 


Not only that but I would like to point out that we know more information on TOR then we do GW2.


 


"yet gamers have already seen and tried out the game’s character creation, all of the announced races, have played low, mid, and high level content, participated in PvP matches, and even taken part in large scale PvE dynamic events."


You try and make a point here too, and it completely ignores that this has been done with TOR as well. Low mid and high content was shown at Gamescom, PvP was shown at Gamescom, and PVE dynamic events is another name for scripted events.


 


I'm dissapointed in this website for writing up articles just to cause controversy by exploited idiots by not giving them the correct information and then making  straw man argument for your article.


  Distopia2

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8/24/11 1:18:59 PM#125

I wasn't expecting much considering they said a few weeks back they didn't really have any major announcements left.

To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.

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  Atlan99

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8/24/11 1:29:00 PM#126

I think you honestly you got your expectations out of whack Mike.


You got a new warzone and a playable demo on an endgame raid. Which is unheard of for an mmo.


Plus we have Pax coming up this week. Then shortly after will be beta weekends.


  Tiller

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8/24/11 1:42:50 PM#127
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by tillamook
 

Only time I see this is when someone comes in to troll. For the most part a lot of people were looking forward to playing both GW2 and SWTOR (yes you can enjoy more than one MMO), but now the folks who are die hard GW2 trolls are driving a lot of us who were looking forward to GW2 away.

The funny part is I can say the same thing about the TOR fanatics that post in the GW2 forums! I will never understand why people post in game forums they are not interested in, if you are not going to play TOR then do not post in there forums and disrupt conversations. If you are not going to play TSW then do not go into their forums. What is the point of going there when you are not even going to play the game!

I plan on playing SWTOR, and I plan on checking out GW2, even with all the hostility. I'm not bothered by it really, I've been a part of this site and many games long enough to have a thicker skin, but I see some of the fighting and just think it's sad and pointless. I think it's ok to have discussions, and debate, it should just be constructive on both sides of the fence.


SWG pre-cu vet, elder Jedi, elder BH -Bloodfin

  AKASlaphappy

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8/24/11 1:45:00 PM#128
Originally posted by MMO.Maverick
 

Which brings up the question, do you have an interest in playing SWTOR? I do see you regularly visit and post on TOR threads, just wondering

 

Or to repeat your last comment, 'what is the point of going here when you are not even going to play the game?'

Well I looked back at the last 6 months of my posts 59 of them were made in the TOR forums. Out of those 59 posts 90% of them were made while I was looking into the game to see if I wanted to play it or not, plus to make posts to stop misinformation about GW2 that was happening in threads. Now that I know I am not going to play TOR I hardly ever look at TOR threads unless it is something about the Lore or Bioware. And the reason why I look at those is because I like a lot of Bioware games and I am a huge Star Wars Nerd so it is interesting to me to see other people’s view on the lore.
 
If you want to go through my posts I never discuss the features of TOR because I know I am not going to play the game. There is no point in me talking about what designs Bioware has done or not done for TOR because I have no interest in playing it anymore. This is what needs to stop; you can talk about the developers and lore, but if you are not going to play the game just shut up about the features.  It does no one any good to whine over and over again about how you do not like said feature, and it does absolutely no one any good to have people spreading misinformation about the game. Because in all reality if you are not going to play it you are not up to speed on all the details about the game. I can freely admit that about TOR, when I made the decision to not buy TOR about two months ago I stopped looking into how the features work or any new design choices they make. So for me to say anything about it would be stupid.
 
But anyone that is a fan of the lore can talk about it, because it is not a mechanic of the game, and will not rub people the wrong way about said game!
  Tiller

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8/24/11 1:49:31 PM#129
Originally posted by Scambug
Originally posted by MMO.Maverick
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by tillamook
 

Only time I see this is when someone comes in to troll. For the most part a lot of people were looking forward to playing both GW2 and SWTOR (yes you can enjoy more than one MMO), but now the folks who are die hard GW2 trolls are driving a lot of us who were looking forward to GW2 away.

The funny part is I can say the same thing about the TOR fanatics that post in the GW2 forums! I will never understand why people post in game forums they are not interested in, if you are not going to play TOR then do not post in there forums and disrupt conversations. If you are not going to play TSW then do not go into their forums. What is the point of going there when you are not even going to play the game!

Which brings up the question, do you have an interest in playing SWTOR? I do see you regularly visit and post on TOR threads, just wondering

 

Or to repeat your last comment, 'what is the point of going here when you are not even going to play the game?'

You weren't speaking to me but you might aswell have been, so I'll answer ( I also need to get this off my chest).

I'm a Star Wars fan, I grew up on the original trilogy and they are by far the movies I've watched the most times in my life.

I've been following TOR since the day it was announced, I registered on the TOR forums the day after the announcement.

During all this waiting, I was playing WoW and really enjoying it. Then came WotLK and that totally destroyed it for me. From that point on I started hating WoW and Blizzard (very much like I despise SOE for destroying SWG).

After that came Rift and to my biggest disappointment, it played almost exactly like WoW. I quit after 2 weeks.

Now here I am, been waiting for TOR for almost 3 years and the game is turning out to be yet another WoW...copy (wether you agree or not doesn't matter here).

So I'm really pissed. Yeah extremely pissed that I won't be able to enjoy this game I've been so eagerly awaiting.

Yes, it's a case of "they didn't do the game I wanted them to" - I admit it.

So now I spend most of my time on these forums bashing TOR and I'll continue to do so until Bioware has the BALLS to add something new and worthwhile to the game - voice overs and quest giving pets aren't enough to make me forget that most everything else is directly ripped from a game I now loathe.

Can I just say this?  It never claimed to be anything else but standard MMO fare (if you think the comparison should be made to WoW because it's what you know, more power to you) with an injection of story and choices. The more rabid fans on the other hand have.....If you liked KOTOR, Star Wars, and MMOs, you might like SWTOR. If you are looking for a Sandbox, well you won't find that in SWTOR because that was never the game they planned on making. That's not to say they can't add these features later based on player feedback, but they have already said, it's not going to be at launch. The important thing was to build a high quality game with core MMO mechanics that majority of gamers would be familiar with, looks like they got what they set out to do.


SWG pre-cu vet, elder Jedi, elder BH -Bloodfin

  User Deleted
8/24/11 1:49:58 PM#130


Originally posted by Scambug
I've been following TOR since the day it was announced, I registered on the TOR forums the day after the announcement.

If that really is the case, then you wouldve known YEARS ago that Bioware was emulating World of Warcraft on a lot of game mechanics. It was one of the first things they said about designing The Old Republic.


  deadlydark

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8/24/11 1:52:25 PM#131
Originally posted by tillamook
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by tillamook
 

Only time I see this is when someone comes in to troll. For the most part a lot of people were looking forward to playing both GW2 and SWTOR (yes you can enjoy more than one MMO), but now the folks who are die hard GW2 trolls are driving a lot of us who were looking forward to GW2 away.

The funny part is I can say the same thing about the TOR fanatics that post in the GW2 forums! I will never understand why people post in game forums they are not interested in, if you are not going to play TOR then do not post in there forums and disrupt conversations. If you are not going to play TSW then do not go into their forums. What is the point of going there when you are not even going to play the game!

I plan on playing SWTOR, and I plan on checking out GW2, even with all the hostility. I'm not bothered by it really, I've been a part of this site and many games long enough to have a thicker skin, but I see some of the fighting and just think it's sad and pointless. I think it's ok to have discussions, and debate, it should just be constructive on both sides of the fence.

The reason most people do this is, is because they are on some level insecure with thier choice to play one game over another. So they get defensive, and villify the other games coming out or that are out (wow for example) so as to attract more people to the game. It makes them feel more secure in thier desicion ultimatley, but honestly doesn't help that games community much.

I plan on playing both star wars and gw2, and whichever I happen to like more AFTER TRYING THEM, is the one I'll likely stick with. But that all being said, the lore and style of star wars is enough that the buy will be worth it just for the story.

  erikk3189

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8/24/11 1:54:45 PM#132

You have people here saying the game will not be any good and blah, blah, blah. Saying this and that and how bad the game is, all negative things about a game they have not played.


Why? Because of things BioWare has not made public? You serious?


You're really not impressing anyone saying things you know nothing about since you've not tried the game yourselves. 


I want to play this game but I have not pre-ordered it as it won't go live any time soon. 


  Grotar89

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8/24/11 1:59:01 PM#133

:)

  erikk3189

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8/24/11 1:59:53 PM#134

Originally posted by Foomerang

 





Originally posted by Scambug

I've been following TOR since the day it was announced, I registered on the TOR forums the day after the announcement.




 


If that really is the case, then you wouldve known YEARS ago that Bioware was emulating World of Warcraft on a lot of game mechanics. It was one of the first things they said about designing The Old Republic.


 



 


Emulating WoW? You can't be serious. Who wants to emulate a game that's been played out. A watered down game that has people leaving by the bunch.


If anything, WoW will emplement some of the new innovations found in SWTOR. So will many other MMO's. 


You'll see.


  User Deleted
8/24/11 2:02:17 PM#135

Im just going to sit back here and laugh at all of you who still have not learned !

Dont get mad or upset at the companies you pre order from for not releasing a game when you want it released or for releasing one to early that sucks .

Learn from your mistakes wait for the damn thing to be released first try it then buy it .

If not then deal with it!

Pretty simple ,  really people just dont take time to actually think nowdays.

Your the one who opened your wallet and got your hopes up now sit back and wait because your going to anyway if you pre ordered or not , the only difference is i still have my money and you do not...

Funny Chit....

  mmoguy43

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8/24/11 2:09:00 PM#136

Imo there is no point in trying to closely follow SWTOR. Might as well turn you ears off to it until they say a release date. There are better things to think about for the next 3 months.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

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  User Deleted
8/24/11 2:11:32 PM#137


Originally posted by Scambug


Originally posted by Foomerang
 



Originally posted by Scambug
I've been following TOR since the day it was announced, I registered on the TOR forums the day after the announcement.



 
If that really is the case, then you wouldve known YEARS ago that Bioware was emulating World of Warcraft on a lot of game mechanics. It was one of the first things they said about designing The Old Republic.
 


Yes this is true but two things:
- We were indeed years before release and I was naively hoping they would change their minds about the general direction of the game.
- I was also clinging onto the hope that there would be massive open world PvP. The battleground PvP system was announced much later.
Then eventually , I got to beta test it for a while and that was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Oh and also, back in 2008, I didn't hate WoW as much as I do now... ;)


Ok so the first point is just you in denial
The second point, well they actually do have massive open world pvp which will be revealed in the next few days at pax
And the third point i dont really understand. Youve played the game and dont like it. So why did you make it sound like you were being mislead in your original post? Thats like taking a test drive then complaining you were mislead about how the car handles. Unless you were in denial about your own, first hand, experience? heh

  Tardcore

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Joined: 9/13/09
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8/24/11 2:30:10 PM#138

I think part of the problem is there are just too many damn conventions these days.


But enough about that, I think the big question on everybodies mind Mr. Bitton, is:


Are You Ready For Some Huttball?


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  Valentina

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8/24/11 2:49:11 PM#139

Personally I am excited for Hutt Ball. There are plenty of things in SWTOR that haven't been talked about and probably won't be talked about until it's launched. One big mistake these developers make is revealing everything about their games, and leaving nothing to discovery and eliminating any element of surprise or excitement over finding something new in the game. They're really being pretty smart about it. I think they may have revealed the game itself too early and could have kept it a secret longer than they did but that's come and gone. Maybe by the time it's released peoples insane and unreasonable expectations will have been pegged down a few notches.


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8/24/11 2:52:33 PM#140


Originally posted by Valentina
Personally I am excited for Hutt Ball. There are plenty of things in SWTOR that haven't been talked about and probably won't be talked about until it's launched. One big mistake these developers make is revealing everything about their games, and leaving nothing to discovery and eliminating any element of surprise or excitement over finding something new in the game. They're really being pretty smart about it. I think they may have revealed the game itself too early and could have kept it a secret longer than they did but that's come and gone. Maybe by the time it's released peoples insane and unreasonable expectations will have been pegged down a few notches.

I agree. The sooner this game comes out the better, for both the fans and the haters heh.

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