Originally posted by Mynsc

I don't think the game is anywhere close to being ready for launch this year. All the signs are there... no launch date, no beta, no big reveals. And yet they opened pre-orders... it's more than weird.  If they wouldn't be under EA's wing I'd almost be tempted to say they ran out of money.

I don't want to draw any conclusions, but there are many worrying signs.

Also, when talking about actual features, they better have some hidden cards in their hand, because right now SW:TOR looks like a 2008-2009 MMO.

 

I agree with the above statement. SW TOR seems still like a 2nd gen MMO, will be a solid game I think (im not a hater) but it does not seem to have a bunch of "new" things to make it a next gen MMO.

It has voice overs, which is cool but other games have that if even at a more limited capacity. That one feature does not make it ultra amazing for me anyway for hour by hour gameplay. If I am not the type to sit and read a quest then sitting and listening to some npc ramble on will be just as boring for me, may be cool the 1st time but after that? I cannot think of any other features that just amazingly set it apart from technology games are using right now.

SW TOR will succeed, because of BioWare I think. I like them as a company, they are overall successful and will make it work. Over time it may not be to the level many seem to think, but it will be a success.

My 2-3 cents.

Originally posted by BadSpock

We're getting pretty close to the "tipping point" between being excited about new reveals and just being pissed and screaming "GET ON WITH IT" and just release...

I'm getting less and less excited about new information reveals / demos / videos etc. and more and more impatient... I just want to freaking play I don't care about reveals and announcements anymore...

 This is the camp I stand in the only reveals I could possibly care about right now would have to do with lifting of the NDA, beta times and release dates anythign less than that is going to be a let down for me.  I'm ready to play or atleast know when I'll be able to play.

For me Swtor was over shadowed by GW2.  I have a pre-order for swtor but I am seriously considering canceling it and waiting a little for GW2.

I'll admit I was a GW2 hater till gamecom - manly cus I hated GW1 for many reasons.  But GW2 is looking very solid.

Swtor is looking more like WoW in space, not sure if I want that now.

Uhmm, dear Michael, TOR has also allowed people to play low, mid and PvE endgame content now, as well as (instanced) PvP. So GW2 really hasn't got that much more beef at all, in fact, they're still missing out on the endgame part as well.

The reality is: there isn't that much more to reveal, basically only open world PvP and the legacy system remain and just today the veil on open world PvP was lifted a bit further in an interview with tentonhammer.

BioWare has put out an unsurmountable amount of trailers and gameplay clips for this game during their friday updates, GW2 has not. It's kind of logical that the Arena devs release larger blocks of info in conventions then.

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Grotar89

Make WoW clone with VO

Hype it with cinematics that have no connection with gameplay

Repeat SW and BW always

Give players small info so they cant realise it is WoW Clone

Sell 2 milion copies, achieve financial succes and go WAR path.

 

Dont say you havent been warned !!!

Remake an entire game that milions quit

Repeat dynamic over and over with little to no real details

Use hype words and personel story whenever possible and never give any details

Say buy to play in every other sentence

 

AMIDOINGITRIGHT?

Oh GW2 is no clone. It has more info than TOR which should launch soon, and yes it is B2P and it will beat TOR hard.

Also GW2 hype is more than justified? I dont think TORs hype is....

Also will quote your post and laugh when TOR fails be prepared dont say you havent been warned.

Poor Mike V_V

Good thing I am pretty impervious to pre-launch disappointment and I don't care much at all about how big a splash in the pond companies make at conventions. I do wish they would have given us more and deeper info on the objective based world pvp systems though. And a heck of a lot earlier. But as long as it is engaging and meaningful and in at launch I am fine with it.

I just want to thank to all this kind and gentle good samaritans that are warning us about how disapointing SWTOR will be. Now I will go to my local pharmacy and buy myself a ton of anti-depressants so I can copy with such a problem.

However, to those prophets I repeat that I will only play a plush bear hero if SWTOR and TSW fail big and AoC is closed, so I guess my chances to join the B2P market are small... 

Originally posted by Grotar89

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Grotar89

Make WoW clone with VO

Hype it with cinematics that have no connection with gameplay

Repeat SW and BW always

Give players small info so they cant realise it is WoW Clone

Sell 2 milion copies, achieve financial succes and go WAR path.

 

Dont say you havent been warned !!!

Remake an entire game that milions quit

Repeat dynamic over and over with little to no real details

Use hype words and personel story whenever possible and never give any details

Say buy to play in every other sentence

 

AMIDOINGITRIGHT?

 

Oh GW2 is no clone. It has more info than TOR which should launch soon, and yes it is B2P and it will beat TOR hard.

 

Also GW2 hype is more than justified? I dont think TORs hype is....

 

Also will quote your post and laugh when TOR fails be prepared dont say you havent been warned.

 

Can't you people realize that not everyone likes or is hyped with GW2? It will be the most superuberMMO? Nice to all those playing it. Have fun. 

I just don't get what is the point of coming here talking bad of a game that isn't even released... Is someone paying you?

Did someone say "no beta" as a reason they believed TOR wasn't ready to be released any time soon?

The game has been in beta for.. months? 6 months at least.

No OPEN beta is more like it..

Oh wait, September weekend beta events have been announced....

One point completely invalidated.

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Unfortunately, I agree with everyting in the article.

Originally posted by Grotar89

 

 

Oh GW2 is no clone. It has more info than TOR which should launch soon,

I'm sure a prophet of your standing could tell us more about the last class in GW2, or the WvW and endgame in general then, or maybe when the game that will destroy everything out there will actually even enter closed beta.

Yeah, no.

boy, all the haters are out in force

Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

Originally posted by Grotar89

 

 

Oh GW2 is no clone. It has more info than TOR which should launch soon,

I'm sure a prophet of your standing could tell us more about the last class in GW2, or the WvW and endgame in general then, or maybe when the game that will destroy everything out there will actually even enter closed beta.

Yeah, no.

^_^

+1 good sir

Originally posted by raistlinm

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Just pointed out a fallacy in his post he made. The gw2 sig kind of gives away what his fvorite mmo is, so hence the GW2 orientated post.

I pointed out legitamate stuff. This is like every preview for SWToR starts out saying "Biowares story driven mmo"...GW2 is doing the same thing trying to corner the market on "ArenaNET new and dyanamic mmorpg".

I think the article pretty much nails it.

Huttball (at least for me), raised some concerns for me. The implementation seemed like a very poor design choice indeed. However, more concerning is the lack of info this late in the game. As the article points out, there is supposedly only a couple months left for this game's release. There should be large unveilings, not small showings of minigames and minor announcements. It does have a bad vibe about it.

Originally posted by Fratman

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I think the majority of people who had the fortune of playing the game disagree with you, they had quite a lot of fun. However, everyone who has gotten burnt out on certain MMO gameplay aspects because of having played thousands and thousands of hours of MMO gaming in years before, I expect that their jadedness or MMO burn out won't just magically disappear when playing SWTOR: if people have become bored with current MMO's and can't really enjoy MMO gaming anymore as they used to, then this will still feel the same with SWTOR for them.

Originally posted by Buttski

this is a tactic when you know your product will fail. don't give away too much information, release the game in a big hype, sell lots of copies, release a bunch of patches because the community cries out loud that the game is full of bugs/imbalances, close your servers because no one plays it anymore.

swtor will be huuuuuge fail.

Meh This is children's talk, talking in extremes with little connection to reality, especially regarding the bugs or 'tactic': anybody who pays attention can see the gigantic list of details regarding features that is available. Then again, you have to pay attention and read that list of course.

As for a release date: in September the beta stress test weekends will happen, any common sense should say that a release date won't be announced until at least those will have taken place.

Actually, MB, I think you are spot on with missed opportunity here.

Saying that, I never said you were anti TOR or pro GW2!  However, the staff is greatly biased toward the sandbox vs themepark games.  Don't deny it as the proof is in the pudding already!  LOL

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by Fratman

ToR is so unoriginal and boring. I think of it as a game designed by an autistic person. It looks ok and does everything by the numbers, but it's completely dull and out of touch with what makes mmos fun.

I think the majority of people who had the fortune of playing the game disagree with you, they had quite a lot of fun. However, everyone who has gotten burnt out on certain MMO gameplay aspects because of having played thousands and thousands of hours of MMO gaming in years before, I expect that their jadedness or MMO burn out won't just magically disappear when playing SWTOR: if people have become bored with current MMO's and can't really enjoy MMO gaming anymore as they used to, then this will still feel the same with SWTOR for them.

 Hmm, so any criticism of ToR being boring is only because the person is burned out on mmos in general? Yeah, that doesn't sound like a good explanation to me. Especially considering I'm following mmos in development and can't wait to play something new. I'm the opposite of burned out, I'm dying to play a fun mmo.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the people that think ToR sucks actually think it sucks because... it sucks.

Originally posted by Fratman

 Hmm, so any criticism of ToR being boring is only because the person is burned out on mmos in general? Yeah, that doesn't sound like a good explanation to me. Especially considering I'm following mmos in development and can't wait to play something new. I'm the opposite of burned out, I'm dying to play a fun mmo.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the people that think ToR sucks actually think it sucks because... it sucks.

TO THEM

Just add a TO THEM or TO YOU or TO ME to everything people ever say on this site and we can all be happy.

There are TONS of positive reviews about TOR saying that it is/was quite a lot of fun and fresh etc. etc.

There are some bad ones too.

THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED.

People who think it sucks... will think it sucks because... to them, it sucks.

People who think it is great, will think it is great because, to them, it's great.

How is this concept so hard for people to understand?

SWtor is such a huge game talked about everywhere that it brings in all kinds of ppl some of who wouldnt be interested normally and as expected they dismiss the game, after all they had no real interest to begin with.