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  Wiezard

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8/25/11 11:30:10 AM#181
Originally posted by gw1228

I have the GUild Wars 2 page on my facebook and for the last 5 days I got some awesome news and footage on it.  It was great  too bad Bioware isn't pouncing on this big mistake imho.  No matter what they do SWTOR will not match Guild Wars 2 ain't no way not from what I've seen.     And it's F2P   man  it's gonna be awesome.

I think you already have GW2 section on this website isn't it? but no you guys have to come here in every SWTOR topic to tell us how awesome GW2 is. We get it, but there is fine line between being  excited and just being annoying.  With this attitude you are driving away players like me who have some interest in GW2.

BTW GW2 is a B2P not F2P. So much for being a fan of GW2. ha!

  Unlight

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8/25/11 11:44:50 AM#182
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Puremallace


Originally posted by Foomerang

The sad thing is the ToR hate flows into General Discussion and even the GW2 forum as well. People bash ToR all over the place on this site. Hell I cant even read a GW2 feature without someone coming along and saying how ToR failing. There is no comparison to ToR hate vs GW2 hate. It is boiling over everywhere not just ToR forums. I actually think there are people that are pro GW2 for no other reason than they hate ToR.



Pretty sure Rift gets more hate with ToR in a close second.


Yeah Rift is a special case. Usually after an mmo has been out for a few months, the hate dies down. But for some reason, Rift is another hate magnet long after launch.

 

There's nothing extraordinary about this.  It's popular so it finds itself in the spotlight a lot.  The bigger the spotlight, the bigger a beacon it is for trolls from all over.  GW2 has an even bigger spotlight on it, so we get even more of the troublemakers.  SWTOR has the biggest spotlight, so it gets attacked more often than everyone else.  You can almost gauge the popularity of the game by the amount of hate it generates.  I even bet there's a set ratio for it, if someone was so inclined to look for it.

  User Deleted
8/25/11 4:59:27 PM#183
The less you know about this game before you play it the better. This is not your average MMORPG.
Unfortunately due to the NDA, I can only really say; relax, everything is going to be fine. Prepare to enjoy the thrill of discovery, thanks to Bioware not showing you all that the game has to offer beforehand.
  GMan3

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8/25/11 5:02:05 PM#184
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
The less you know about this game before you play it the better. This is not your average MMORPG.
Unfortunately due to the NDA, I can only really say; relax, everything is going to be fine. Prepare to enjoy the thrill of discovery, thanks to Bioware not showing you all that the game has to offer beforehand.

     DARN YOU!  Now my personal hype meter is jumping sky high again.  Do you have any idea how hard it will be to get it back under control?

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  Vesavius

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8/25/11 5:07:26 PM#185

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

  User Deleted
8/25/11 7:25:48 PM#186
Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??

Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??

Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.

Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.

Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.

  Atlan99

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8/25/11 7:29:40 PM#187
Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

Name some mmos that have dropped the NDA  before open beta.

I find it odd that you slam EA/Bioware for doing what every other company that has produced an mmo has done.

  Lateris

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~perspective~

8/25/11 7:31:13 PM#188

People always over inflate their minds eye of what an MMO is when it is in the development stage prior to release.   

  wybt

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8/25/11 11:20:25 PM#189

interesting thread and seriously accurate. I was so furiously dissappointed with the recent info they released at gamescom (almost nothing) that i have started boycotting the game. Reminds me off WAR but because it is Star Wars everyone is still going to claim that they are doing the right thing.....im just saying my interest is lost, and i dont know how other people can spend $150(as someone else stated) on pre-ordering a game that has bits and pieces of info out, that takes a true fan to do that, and it absolutely does look like a 2009 game compared to TERA, Secret World, and GW2. You all know it but dont want to admit it like i used to do.


 


P.S - To about the first 20 post stating on how SWTOR has a steady stream of info over the last 3 or so years, i rather be notified about a game and then in 3 years when its a year within launch get a ton of information like GW2 cause lets be honest, the only people that stuck with SWTOR through those years and read the information with anticipation are hardcore fanboys not new adventuring MMO seekers and even then, TERA AND GW2 still look better. Now i remember it and i gotta go look at the 3 years of bits of information they release like a trail of cheese tom leaves to trap jerry in their 5 min long chase scenes, yes i refered it to tom&jerry....thats how i feel


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  FloggingJude

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8/26/11 1:55:59 AM#190

Originally posted by BadSpock2


Originally posted by hardicon

I dont think they have plans for world pvp



"TTH: Can you talk a little bit about PvP objectives?


 Emmanuel Lusinchi: A little bit. So, we have different kinds of PvP. The one you’re mentioning with objectives is the open-world PvP, I suppose.


The world PvP: you queue for it and we try to match a similar amount of players.


-We scale your power to a certain extent that we prefer to match players of the same levels.


-We also want people to play PvP rather than wait forever for a match that is never going to come.


-We have a system of match-making that can match you with people who are not your level, but everybody is kind of boosted to level 50 power.


-We try to minimize its impact, but it’s more about your skill rather than your level. Of course, the higher level the player, the more tools they have and they will have an advantage, but it won’t be overwhelming which is important.


 PvP is very important for some players and is a valid way of playing the game. You’re spending time and are in the game. If we did not reward you in an equivalent manner if you were playing PvE, then you would be wasting your time. That would make it just so much harder for anyone to do PvP.


-So we give you experience, we give you credits, and we give you valor, which are unique skills that are administered in PvP and are not linked leveling in any way, but just how well you are doing in PvP. We give you tokens to let you buy various sets of PvP equipment at different levels.


It’s not every level, but there’s a great level 20 set and there’s a really great level 50 set. It’s a good way to play the game if that’s what you aim to.


-Of course, a player can just stay forever and only do that, but we think that there’ll be more balance than that. They’ll want to progress as a character through the story and do this as downtime, but it’ll be up to the player.


-Now, with open world PvP, we have objectives that can just happen naturally – you run into players of another faction and you can just attack them, especially on PvP servers.


-But we also have special places where there are objectives.


-Fulfilling the objectives will give you some tokens as well, which are different from the warzone tokens.


-They can be exchanged for each other, but not a favorable rate so that we encourage you to do both forms of PvP, but we don’t force you to do both forms of PvP.


-The reason why we have objectives in the open world for open world PvP is a) to focus the player as they know that there will players on the other side who is trying to do this objective, which is great.


-It’s a big universe, where do you fight otherwise? Not only does it let us focus them, it allows us to focus them in the right way, because if you put every player on the server onto one spot, it never works very well for many reasons: technical, gameplay, visual effects.


-It spreads them though the clever design of objectives and the clever design of what you need to do. It gives us control, but it’s also out of control because it’s open world."


Source: http://swtor.tentonhammer.com/featured-post/gamescom-interview-with-emmanuel-lusinchi/



 


 There's a good BadSpock.  Well played sir, well played.


  Vesavius

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8/26/11 5:28:09 AM#191
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??

Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??

Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.

Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.

Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.

 

Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.

There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.

The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month....

 

  Fir3line

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8/26/11 6:12:31 AM#192
Originally posted by vesavius

Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.

There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.

The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month....

 

After having seen the AoC, WAR, Aion and to some extend Rift(dont properly show endgame) shielding their content until release just to be a big disapointment for many after they took your money I have to agree.

Look at WoW for instance, during Cataclysm BETA there was a lot of transparency, and you could basically do everything in there and provide feedback, even raids that they didn't want ppl to fully complete, they just opened them for a few hours in sellect days and asked for feedback

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  GMan3

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8/26/11 6:23:55 AM#193
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??

Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??

Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.

Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.

Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.

 Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.

There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.

The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month.... 

     For the most part I agree with both of you.  Letting people blab on about the plot lines would be silly, but at the same time there are supposedly a pretty large number of them so probably not so big of a deal. 

    Letting people talk about the GAMEPLAY though would be a huge mistake for a company that even at Gamescon said was not complete yet.  They still have tweaking to do and so features that are not liked (and about to be changed) OR may have already been removed could be a well known subject if the NDA wasn't stopping the people from talking.

    Pre-Ordering a game before the NDA is lifted really isn't a big deal.  You can always cancel it after all.

    BTW vesavius, there is a difference in defending something and trying to see both sides.  Your arguement lost credibility there in the end because you attacked people needlessly.  Up to that point though you had a good thing going.

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  Candomble

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8/26/11 6:28:22 AM#194

Originally posted by vesavius


Originally posted by Wharg0ul


Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.


If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.


To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.


If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.



 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??


Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??


Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.


Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.


Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.



 


Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.


There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.


The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month....


 



 


 Yeah. This game will suck. Thanks for being so kind to tell us that. And guess what, you are not forced to buy it or play it anyway.  Cya.


  Vesavius

Old School

Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 7147

Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

8/26/11 10:10:29 AM#195
Originally posted by Candomble

Originally posted by vesavius


Originally posted by Wharg0ul


Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.


If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.


To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.


If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.


 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??


Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??


Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.


Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.


Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.


 


Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.


There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.


The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month....


 



 

 Yeah. This game will suck. Thanks for being so kind to tell us that. And guess what, you are not forced to buy it or play it anyway.  Cya.

 

No, I am not, this is true, but I come here to talk about games.

But SWtoR dosent 'suck'. I have never said that. It has elements in it that I like and that I don't like, like most games. I just talk about them all. I 100% believe it will be a massive success (at least for for 3-6 months).

  Candomble

Novice Member

Joined: 7/15/11
Posts: 167

8/26/11 11:15:17 AM#196

Originally posted by vesavius

 


No, I am not, this is true, but I come here to talk about games.


But SWtoR dosent 'suck'. I have never said that. It has elements in it that I like and that I don't like, like most games. I just talk about them all. I 100% believe it will be a massive success (at least for for 3-6 months).



 


 


No. You came here with conspiracy theories. That's not talking about games.


  fadis

Novice Member

Joined: 12/16/09
Posts: 473

8/26/11 11:27:44 AM#197
Originally posted by Lateris

People always over inflate their minds eye of what an MMO is when it is in the development stage prior to release.   

 

So true.

Right now we're in the pre-NDA phase where some people are imagining there is this huge amount of content and features that haven't been shown - but actually exist.

Next - as the NDA drops just before launch - we'll see the "miracle patchers" come out of the woodwork.... the ones that will say "it's just beta!!!" and imagine some last minute patch will be put in and fix/add a variety of things.

  thorsanvil

Novice Member

Joined: 3/20/03
Posts: 8

8/26/11 12:06:39 PM#198

I dont know much about GW2,  but I am going to assume its all about PVP.


one thing I have learned about MMO's in the past 15 years,  you either PVP or you dont.


and unless game X has ZOMG PVP, sites like this propose its going to be a dismale faillure.


I dont play Wow anymore, but its the closest I would ever want to get to PVP.


as for the big reaveal!  if Charecter creation is s Show stopper you, I find that hallarious.   The first 15 minues of your charecters life is more important then the next 5-7 years.


just WEIRD

ZOMG

NO Way!

  User Deleted
8/26/11 12:40:38 PM#199
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by Wharg0ul
Originally posted by vesavius

I personally do not like the practise of selling the product while having the NDA in place.

If it's ready to take money on, it's ready to let people who have played it actually talk about it imo.

To gag players at this stage, while the cash flows into the tills, suggests a lot about EA's worry about the reception it will receive with unfettered info and opinions out here in la la land.

If I hadnt played it and had thrown down my money based on BW spin and hype I personally would have been sorry. InsteadI will be waiting for GW2 and avoiding this one in the same way I avoided Rift.

 You do know that this is a STORY based game, right??

Think back to KOTOR....would that game have had the effect that it had on it's players if everyone knew before they even played the game that their character was actually Darth Revan??

Honestly, I'm pretty damn positive that no one with any inside knowledge of the game is worried about it's reception. Not even a little.

Your attempt at fostering paranoia, and  insinuation that SWTOR is something to be avoided are transparent as glass.

Have fun in GW2, with your elves and swords. Personally I've had enough of phantasy games.

 

Allowing PLAYERS to voice an opinion of GAMEPLAY has nothing to do with blowing any big plot, but I think you know this. In fact, the nature of the game says there isnt any one big plot to blow anyhow, so your argument is kinda weak all round.

There is only one reason to have a NDA up for this game at this point- They arnt happy for their players to talk openly about their game. Ofc, they ARE happy to take your money though.

The things you guys defend because it's your entrenched flavour of the month....

 

 I've been playing the game 12+ hours a day for over exactly one week now. Trust me, I am DYING to tell everyone exactly how AWESOME this game is. I could write a book about it.

I'm not "defending" this game because it's FOTM....I do it because it's a great game, and people who spew conspiracy theories are full of shite.

I read these posts by people who think they "know" why there is an NDA, or "know" really anything about the plots and game mechanics and I laugh myself silly.

95% of them are SO FAR off base that it's plainly obvious that they are pulling things out of their arses.

I've always respected you, Vesavius, and enjoyed reading your posts...which is why I am so surprised to find you taking part in the whole anti-SWTOR conspiracy theory crowd.

  Kretan

Novice Member

Joined: 2/11/09
Posts: 9

8/26/11 4:25:26 PM#200

for every fanboy post in this thread there are 2 bad reviews to counter with, but dont let that sway you.


even the investors are scared its going to bomb, but dont let that sway you.


by all means stay in this little niche and keep shelling out 120$ for collector editions of crap games. at least you will have a doll to comfort you when they pull the plug on the servers a couple years from now.

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