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  waynejr2

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8/23/11 1:34:38 PM#61
Originally posted by Urvan

imo games that aren't even out yet shouldn't get rated. so your top 2 are flawed imho.

 2012 isn't out yet, so the article is flawed.

  User Deleted
8/23/11 1:36:27 PM#62

I like the list, altough I won't include pay 2 win  games (AoC, TSW and Lotro)  in mine, so it will basically be very short.

1. Aion

I hope the include an ability to play the real Aion and not the more westernized one. Could Tera take over Aions spot? In terms of graphic absolutely but from what I've read the game its not doing too well in the east.

I also know lots of people whos interest has dropped significantly cause of Frogster publishing it.

2. Guild Wars 2

Gamescom showed some improved graphics and the game is looking better now but the Azura animations are really comical. I agree with you most of its success will depend on how they are handling the itemshop. If its like in Guild Wars 1 than fine, otherwise I can see it becoming another pay 2 win soon hopefully Arenanet isn't that dumb.

3. EvE

only if CCP is  calming down, removing the cash shop and their stupid plans of introducing console kiddies with things like Dust into the game.

4. Rift

Soon they are going to add alternate advancement and their first expansion, so I think the game will grow again but only if they stop listening to the forum crybabies, whining for addons/dumb down stuff.

 

I heavily disagree with the statement that World of Warcraft will be overtaken by any game, Blizzard has the most loyal  fanbois accepting everything Blizzard does, no matter what it is. I do believe, more and more games will take some subs from it.

ToRs longterm success will depend hon how fast they are going to add quality content and depth to their gameplay. I doubt story, story, story and story will keep people interested for a longer period of time.

I didn't include AA cause I doubt it will release in 2012 :( but overall its the game Im really really looking forward to.

  Draemos

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8/23/11 1:42:03 PM#63
Tera is going to flop
  Loke666

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8/23/11 1:43:48 PM#64

I have to agree with Bill, his list sounds pretty likely, even though I have some doubts about Aion and fears that Funcom will botch TSWs launch.

Of course we are just talking guesses here but Bills list is close to mine.

  KyngBills

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8/23/11 1:45:21 PM#65

LOTRO should be higher than Tera and Rift...It's more established, thriving, and growing...I liked Rift a lot when I played it, and Tera looks like it wil be a nice Game (especially visually)...So nothing against those two Games...But neither has the following of say...Star Wars for example...And LOTRO has weathered storms those two Games have yet to see and come out a winner...It's a fantastic Game overall...

  KyngBills

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8/23/11 1:48:56 PM#66
Originally posted by DerWotan

I like the list, altough I won't include pay 2 win  games (AoC, TSW and Lotro)  in mine, so it will basically be very short.

Exactly what makes LOTRO a "pay 2 win?" Because I have not paid a dime over my $10 a Month ever and I win just fine on 4 Level Capped Characters...I've yet to hear a single Kin Member complain about the F2P format...It's made the Game thrive...So do tell...What makes LOTRO "pay 2 win?" 

  Loke666

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8/23/11 1:52:06 PM#67
Originally posted by DerWotan

I heavily disagree with the statement that World of Warcraft will be overtaken by any game, Blizzard has the most loyal  fanbois accepting everything Blizzard does, no matter what it is. I do believe, more and more games will take some subs from it.

It doesn't matter in the long run. Sooner or later will the game be so old that it wont attract new players and many of the players are mainly playing because all their friends are playing (just like many people listen to the music on the top lists because they are on the top lists).

Bill is possibly a bit too early, it might be that Wow wont be overtaken until 2013 or 2014 but it will happen, and not that far in the future. MMOs might last longer than regular games but Wow is already 7 years old and have been long players the last year, Blizzard have even admitted it themselves.

That doesn't mean that Wow is a bad game, it wouldn't have stayed on top that long if it was.

  MMO.Maverick

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8/23/11 1:56:01 PM#68

"One thing’s for sure.  2012 will be an interesting year."


 


I couldn't agree more, especially if you look at how the Top 6 - granted, it's a personal speculation of the writer - is made up of 4 new MMO's.


If ArcheAge is going to be released in 2012 in the west as well, I expect it to be in that top 10 list too, very likely higher than TERA.


Personally I think TSW will end up higher than Rift, but we'll see.


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  Loke666

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8/23/11 1:56:06 PM#69
Originally posted by KyngBills

Exactly what makes LOTRO a "pay 2 win?" Because I have not paid a dime over my $10 a Month ever and I win just fine on 4 Level Capped Characters...I've yet to hear a single Kin Member complain about the F2P format...It's made the Game thrive...So do tell...What makes LOTRO "pay 2 win?" 

Some people consider all games that sells items with good stuff pay2win, others games that only let you get the best stuff by paying in real money.

His way do make some sense, you can pay to win or work really hard and win without paying. It is not as bad as many other games that offers no choice to paying but it still is far from perfect.

  User Deleted
8/23/11 1:57:31 PM#70
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by DerWotan

I heavily disagree with the statement that World of Warcraft will be overtaken by any game, Blizzard has the most loyal  fanbois accepting everything Blizzard does, no matter what it is. I do believe, more and more games will take some subs from it.

It doesn't matter in the long run. Sooner or later will the game be so old that it wont attract new players and many of the players are mainly playing because all their friends are playing (just like many people listen to the music on the top lists because they are on the top lists).

Bill is possibly a bit too early, it might be that Wow wont be overtaken until 2013 or 2014 but it will happen, and not that far in the future. MMOs might last longer than regular games but Wow is already 7 years old and have been long players the last year, Blizzard have even admitted it themselves.

That doesn't mean that Wow is a bad game, it wouldn't have stayed on top that long if it was.

 

Agreed whatI think..the genre will divide into different games for different audiences again which is a really good thing. I do have a slightly hoping we will see more "niche" games again.

Hope this stupid Titan project wont be the next 800 pound behemoth.

 

Loke already mentioned why I think games such as Lotro are pay 2 win.

  User Deleted
8/23/11 1:57:41 PM#71

Hmmk my prediction is that in 2013 i will be reading an article on this site titled "Guild Wars 2: What went wrong?" Imvho of course

  Athillian

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8/23/11 1:58:12 PM#72

2012 will be an awesome year for gamers =P

  divmax

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8/23/11 1:59:51 PM#73

Originally posted by erictlewis



I am not sure why lotro is on that list.  Even with the xpac, that is being met with a lot of negative fealins over at the official lotro forums, they are done.




They will always have that follow that plays it for the lore of lotro, and not for game mechanics. Those who are tired of booring combat will move on.



 


While I agree with your conclusion about LOTRO's decline, I don't think that thats the problem with LOTRO. Because a lot of the lore people already got alienated years ago when Turbine started watering down the feature-set in order to attract a wider audience. So by now, the "lore" people you are referring to are either extreme die-hards or people who just like the sound of the game title being associated with Tolkien. ie. They are trying too hard to appeal to everybody and ending up only appealing to players who are so casual they don't really care what happens in the game as long as the splashscreen says LOTRO.


  Alot

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8/23/11 1:59:53 PM#74
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hmmk my prediction is that in 2013 i will be reading an article on this site titled "Guild Wars 2: What went wrong?" Imvho of course

I thought you were going to PAX/GamesCom to play SW:TOR and GW2 to form an opinion?

  Loke666

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8/23/11 2:02:45 PM#75
Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

"One thing’s for sure.  2012 will be an interesting year."


If ArcheAge is going to be released in 2012 in the west as well, I expect it to be in that top 10 list too, very likely higher than TERA.

I am not sure, I hear warning bells about AE. There is always talk about an upcomming sandbox game from a little known studio every year, but so far have they never worked out.

Sure, AEs mix of sandbox and themepark features might work and really move the game up but I wouldn't put money on that.

My bet for next successful sandbox game is "World of darkness online" by CCP/White Wolf instead. They have a lot more experience, a popular IP and are a Western company. My second guess is Zenimax (Bethesda).

I might be wrong of course but far too many sandbox games by unknown devs have gotten hyped up here during the years and Eve is still the only constant on any list.

  Jhereg

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8/23/11 2:04:06 PM#76

I am not interested in GW2 for one simple fact.  I have read that they are going to charge you $60.00 for the game and then they are going to have a cash shop.  WTH, so you want to gouge more money out of us after we shelled out for the intial cost of the game.  Talk about Game capitalism at its worst.  No thanks, not me, you can keep it!

  Alot

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8/23/11 2:06:02 PM#77
Originally posted by Jhereg

I am not interested in GW2 for one simple fact.  I have read that they are going to charge you $60.00 for the game and then they are going to have a cash shop.  WTH, so you want to gouge more money out of us after we shelled out for the intial cost of the game.  Talk about Game capitalism at its worst.  No thanks, not me, you can keep it!

You are paying initial cost of the game+a monthly fee for the P2P games on this list and yet you are complaining about an initial cost plus a cosmetic cashshop? 

  cinos

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8/23/11 2:06:37 PM#78
Originally posted by Alot
Originally posted by Foomerang

Hmmk my prediction is that in 2013 i will be reading an article on this site titled "Guild Wars 2: What went wrong?" Imvho of course

I thought you were going to PAX/GamesCom to play SW:TOR and GW2 to form an opinion?

I guess he couldn't be bothered to wait. His loss. :p

Those who have actually played it (now including myself...win) know just how good this game really is. Video's do not do it justice, and yet they still look good. :)

  Razephon

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8/23/11 2:07:40 PM#79

Have to say that I didn't expect to see Aion on that list. Aion is actually quite low nowadays in terms of subs, but people still play it. Yes it will lose subs to TERA.

Regarding TERA though, a lot of people dont understand. As far as we are concerned, it flopped in the East. But it is effectively re-launching with fixed/balanced/westernised content and LOTS of new content as well to justify its endgame state.

So yes, we can expect a full game with Server vs Server PvP at launch and lots more.

As for the list, WoW will still hold the top. But by the end of 2012, the difference in its subs and the next best competitor will be trivial. 2012 may see someone topple the WoW throne, but its looking unlikely. Either way, WoW is going to drop in subs a LOT.

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Waiting on TERA, GW2, TSW

  divmax

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8/23/11 2:07:48 PM#80

 




Originally posted by dbstylin34



Originally posted by Lasterba

in my opinion games like RIft have success due to the over population of "silver platter" gamers, while TRUE MMOs like Vanguard teeter on the brink of shut down.



This list is a testament to the utter destruction of a once great genre.

/fixed



 


Really? Because the fact that he posted it didn't make it obvious enough that it was his opinion already.



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