They have taken away the threat generating issue from tanks because they want to give them more to do in future updates. Not only a order in which the should spam there skills. That is something i am realy looking forward to.

Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by Dvalon

I would love to say Archeage is the game to kill off the themepark casual crap that wow now is but sadly due to its graphics quality a vast number of people wont be able to run it,

I've taken a look at Archeage, it is basically promising all the things Horizons did with a bunch of stuff from Darkfall. I'm glad to see that there are still enough nieve youthful people out there that believe a game with that type of feature list is actually possible with modern technology.

Hey, don't knock Horizons...I think it was one of the most under appreciated games back in its day.  I played the crap out of that game during beta, loved every minute of it. Unfortuantly was unable to buy ot at the time due to joining the Military.  After i was able to hook my computer up again several months later, the game just kinda vanished.  Lack of advertising imo.

Id have to say that Since Swtor is prob. putting the heat on every game out atm, whith this being said i dont think WOW is getting desprate, but rather doing what Blizzard thinks  are smart moves, and we aslo know that blizzard always makes changes after major patches, with all the qq out there, and it takes time to get all the patches  in order. So long answer  short desprate i think not, dumb i think so.

Originally posted by tochicool

(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.

Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft. 

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WoW has 11 million subs,The next closest game was Aion with 3.5 subs at one point.Nothing can touch WoW the only thing beat WoW is Time.No single game is to beat WoW.

WoW will die by 1000 cuts and Time meaning Rifts will take a couple thousands,SWTOR might take a Million,Warhammer 40k might take couple thousand,EQ next might take a million,Wildstar might take a couple thousands,38 studios Amalur mmo might take a million,People will just leave because they are tired or graphic feel old.No one thing will take down WoW like Facebook did to myspace or Google did Yahoo.

I imagine, sitting on that pile of money, there's a sort of desperation.

"How the hell do I get off this mountain of cash without killing myself?"

Originally posted by UnleadedRev

I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read  on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars.

I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point.

What do you think?

Well I agree that Activision / Blizzard is propably under more pressure than ever before.

Just think. WoW ages, there is no denying it. Even though because WoW was / is playable even on older PC's - there is no denying that that it is starting to look old.

Average user PC's is getting more powerful bit by bit and 2012 is gonna be year with massive prices drop in SSD drives , which believe me they do have impact on mmorpg's performance especially in population packed areas and in places with alot of NPC's , becasue in those situatuons most mmorpg's are putting high load by reading alot of small files with various textures.

Beside that in 2012 there are going to be AMD CPU's based on whole new architecture, Intel also is releasing new cpu's , Amd/Ati and Nvidia both are going to change technical processes to smaller nm. All this will lead to prices drop in current hardware , etc - well in result average Joe will be able to afford better PC more easy. End of 2011 and 2012 is packed with alot of "heavy weight" PC Single player and mmorpg games so guess many folks might see that as incetive to uppgrade / change their PC.

All of this will relatively make WoW 'performance' advantage smaller.

Next games.

Swtor is coming and it propably hit WoW playerbase hard with it's big hype already build and with already crazy numberrss of pre-orders

Then GW 2 is coming later on as well - noone is doubting that many WoW players will buy & try GW2.

Tera has already build preety strong 'communuty' that awaits it's release and with western open beta beign in the end of 2011 , release cannot be far.

TSW already has a release date in Arpil 2012 and while it is not such 'heavy weight' as Swtor/GW2 it is still kinda big production with some unique ideas , and Funcom is talking all the time how they are polishing their product to avoid bugs ,etc on release like with AoC.

Finally ArcheAge - game is drawing more and more attention lately and this will increase with time. Big open world , open world housing , sailing and many more activities than just grinding instances with still having alot of themepark activities, enough quests for causal players(as it is developed with west markets in mind as well) and other things to avoid beign korean grinder  might also attract quite a bit of players hopefully. Not to mention stunning graphics. There is CBT4 planned sometime soon and Korean OB in 2011 propably as well. So with a bit of luck it might be possilble to be 2012 in west :)

All of those 5 games have something that is a bit unique in them so they might be attractive to many player types :)

So imho 2012 will be preety big test for WoW with that many mmorpg releases :)

Not to mention Rift is not sinking much as some people have been predicting , as Trion is pumping updates at really good pace and it does not look like they are planning to stop doing that.

So yeah Blizzard will have to really work hard to slow down bleeding down.

Recent WoW expansion to Brazil is one of signs that they are aware of that, faster pace of patches is second, next one is already announcing another expansion so fast after Cata.

WoW is providing most of Blizzard revenue and it also preety big position in Activision revenue , so Blizz won't give up withut a fight for sure imho.

Will they be able to maintain 11 mln of players? Don't think so.

Will they be able to slow down their player loss. Maybe but it will be very hard.

Well anyway competition is good , it is also good that all of 5 upcoming big titles they are diffrent a bit of each other , providing a bit diffrent features / playstyles so hopefully next 12-18 months will be good for mmorpg !

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Goatgod76

I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.

Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars

 Going by the official SWTOR forums, I think it's too late for that, Goatgod.

Originally posted by tochicool

Originally posted by maji

I stopped playing WoW and I will definately not play SWTOR. That beeing said: I don't think that anyone having created a game as successful as WoW must ever be desperate about anything. In case of doubt, they just shrug and buy a dozen private jets less that week.

That SWTOR will be successful was never out of doubt. It's star wars. They can create something horribly bland and boring, and people would still buy it if it got a lightsabre painted on it.

And like it or not: SWTOR aims at exactly the same age group as WoW.

What he siad ^^

But better.

I agree with all of the above.  I wouldn't touch SWTOR with a barge pole because it's going to be packed with characters called Luke SssKyWaLkEr  and xXBoba FettXx and a end up with a community that makes rational players want to headbutt a brick wall.  I will also await all the whimpering and whining when the game inevitably proves to be just as boring and lacking in innovation as every other game released in the last several years.  I have every expectation that it'll be full of fresh, interesting quests such as "gather 10 Whomp rat Tails" and multitides of FedEx quests.  Anyone expecting any MMO to be "The Next Big Thing" is naive, based on past expereince.

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Goatgod76

I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.

Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars

 Going by the official SWTOR forums, I think it's too late for that, Goatgod.

So I have heard. Guess I'll just cancel my pre-order and wait a few months and see what happens after release. Seems EVERY community is getting tarnished. Sigh.....

Originally posted by Goatgod76

So I have heard. Guess I'll just cancel my pre-order and wait a few months and see what happens after release. Seems EVERY community is getting tarnished. Sigh.....

offtopic

but if you have any interest in TOR at all,   play it during launch

thats some of the best times -- in any mmo

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Goatgod76

I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.

Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars

 Going by the official SWTOR forums, I think it's too late for that, Goatgod.

So I have heard. Guess I'll just cancel my pre-order and wait a few months and see what happens after release. Seems EVERY community is getting tarnished. Sigh.....

Yup there is a lot of 'hardcore guild x' lookning for player threads starting to appear.  Hardcore means rush through content and try to get server firsts where the guilds have came from certain other mmorgs.

Wow isnt going anywhere!  Sure its bound to lose a few million subs to the likes of Rift, SWToR, GW2, TSW, AA and any other MMO coming out in the forseable future.  With that being said they will be just fine.  Hell if my game of choice Asherons Call is still plugging along with several thousand accounts and making Turbine money then theres no reason to believe that WoW is dieing, but the genre is gaining competition.

I too will not be playing SWToR or any other WoW clone in the future because I prefer a much older mature crowd that usually plays the sandparkish style of MMO's.  I jsut hope GW2 or TSW has enough sandbox elements to tide me over til la new AAA developer comes along and makes a Asherons Call virtual successor.

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Originally posted by Puremallace

Originally posted by Goatgod76

I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.

Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars

 Going by the official SWTOR forums, I think it's too late for that, Goatgod.

So I have heard. Guess I'll just cancel my pre-order and wait a few months and see what happens after release. Seems EVERY community is getting tarnished. Sigh.....

 The community has already been contanimated many a month ago.  When I was following SWTOR closely and was pyched about the game I realized that the community will be WoW's baby lil brother from the official forums and hanged up the game.  Plus you have the SW fan boys thrown into the mix also.  SWTOR will prolly be #2 worst community which I doubt anyone can have a worse comunity than WoW.

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by ActionMMORPG

I'm contrarian on this one.  I believe that SW:TORs release will *IMPROVE* WoW's community.

 

$%^& flows down-hill.  The more problems that leave WoW for SW:TOR the fewer problems WoW will have.  Dedicated WoW players (adults) aren't going to leave their home because of a new game.  They haven't yet, and if Cata didn't drive them off then certainly nothing is going to.

 

Frankly this could be very good for WoW.

 

Now if we could just convince them to stop nerfing the stuffins out of our PVE toons, we'd be all set.

 The problem with your theory is that SWTor is a true RPG, with decisions that change the world and the way the story folds to your character. It has loads of conversations that require answers since they shape your reputations. It would be much much more complex to play than WoW, especially to players wich are not native english speakers, this representes a great ammount of wow players.

 

In my point of view, the "kids", the elitist and most of the morons who only see "EPIC LOOTZ" and "RAIDZZZ TONIGHTZZ" wont have the patience to invest on SWTor, and this are the ones who will remain on WoW, not the adult, casual, RPG gamer. Unfortunately from where I see it, the "shi*" is whats gonna remain mainly in wow, with exceptions ofc.

 

WoW as indeed peaked, and I dont expect anything new to come from that side, and neither does Blizzard im afraid, their best writers/programmers are already working on the Titan project, and I think that shows alot...

 The kids will leave WoW for SWTOR because

1.   It's the hottest newest thing

2.  Raiding is a focus point

3.  It's SW..... Darth Vader, Storm Troopers, and Boba Fett alone willl have the kids in drones coming in.

4.  These kids have nothing to do but play games so patience ins't a deterrent

5.  Better appealing graphics

The mature adult crowd are the ones that remain in WoW as they are sticking it out there and aren't easilly persuaded from their game.

Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.

They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.

Hurray!

Originally posted by BadSpock

Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.

They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.

 

Hurray!

I actually think YOU are the one right here.  And....it's made me really want to play SWTOR more now that I've considered what you just said.  I think you're right.  I think the little kiddies won't have the patience for this game, WHICH.....would make it a better gaming experience for me (and you)....at least hopefully.

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by BadSpock

Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.

They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.

 

Hurray!

 

I actually think YOU are the one right here.  And....it's made me really want to play SWTOR more now that I've considered what you just said.  I think you're right.  I think the little kiddies won't have the patience for this game, WHICH.....would make it a better gaming experience for me (and you)....at least hopefully.

i am not so sure about that.. after all, have you actually seen spongebob squarepants.. i mean come on.. i've seen kids sit and watch those back to back for hours.. watching the dialogue in sw;tor should be a breeze by comparison..

Originally posted by BadSpock

Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.

They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.

 

Hurray!

I wish so much this would/will be true... I've always wanted a server in a MMORPG that would have age restriction for under 20 or upt to under 25 years old, to not be able to enter. I dont know how it would be possible to make but I'd like to play one MMORPG where I can have universal chat channels etc open without having to witness the kiddo bickering and "my dad is better than your dad" crap 99% of the time. Sure older people can be "overgrown teenagers" in games too but at least it would be less of that.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.

They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.

 

Hurray!

too bad someone will make an addon/program that will auto click the path you want (dark side, light side, badass, goodiegoodie, etc) while the dialog is happening and let the kids go get a snack or whine to mom and dad for more allowance while the program does the "hard" part for them/sigh

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Originally posted by UnleadedRev
I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read  on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars.
I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point.
What do you think?

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