Let's all take a deep breath and stay on topic here.   THIS particular thread is not about the merits or deficiencies of MO.  I am glad there are a few posters who like the game.  This thread is specificly about the Community Manager asking players to come to this site and defend the game, when he has (so far) not done so himself, or at least not done so openly.   This is after he has apparently (often) been rebuffed in his efforts to have bad information here censored.

So again, I think having more folks come and visit this forum is a GREAT thing!   I simply hope that Black Opal will lead by example and actually show up here to personally clear up the "grey areas" for us!   Like I said, I have a nice list of questions all ready for him.   If he wants to field those questions (and others) in an open, uncensored (yet still moderated) forum... I think that would do a world of good for his game.   I think asking random fans to go defend your game on a 3rd party website, but not doing so yourself, is a HUGE mistake for StarVault (but still a nice bump for MMORPG.COM).

Slapshot - I see what you're saying and you make good points.

I'm obviously very pro-MO otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to come here and take a pop at some of the mis-information I've been reading.

But it is quite bad - and there is an awful ot of total dross being spoken by folk.

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Shizaxxx

So this is basically a nice way of saying: "It sucks we can't delete posts on other websites".

Good stuff, good stuff... "Haters" aren't the only ones who twist the truth - fanbois does it aswell.

 This. They've definitely tried to bully MMORPG.com before and Wikipedia.

Umm, I'd hardly say they "bully" wikipedia. There is very little that Starvault has actually done on the wikipedia page, and its hard to top what some of the anti- MO posters have done there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mortal_Online&action=historysubmit&diff=444842303&oldid=444837164

This is from 6 days ago . Someone wiped the entire entry and replaced it with one sentence "MO is known as the worst MMORPG ever to be developped in history"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Qwyrxian/Archive_4#Your_message

This is  the discussion between Qwyrxian (a wikipedia editer) and someone from Starvault. Since you are mentioned in the discussion I'm sure you are aware that  Qwyrxian pointed out that it the negative additions didn't fit the definition of vandalism but that they did not meet the NPOV or no original research standards.  The person adding the negative comments ended up being banned for that and for using the name "Starvault" to make the posts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:StarVault

As to the fact that there are not already more people on this forum countering the negative comments, that is in part due to the fact that many people feel that it would be futile. A simple search for "osmunda" on the MO forums will bring up a couple threads of people expressing that opinion

Well not only does this show what the MO forums are all about (Opal isn't asking for a dialogue, he's asking the fanboys to advertise), this also shows how little experience he has with community management. Obviously none before MO, and by that I mean, he hasn't even observed other communities before. That shows a lack of talent and/or lack of interest in his work imo.

If you put together a group of happy players with a group of unhappy players who complain, the happy players will catch the bittervet disease and join them. What has been seen cannot be unseen. The unhappy players point out flaws in the game, the happy players can't look away anymore.

I'd probably still be playing Eve if I hadn't touched their forums.

That doesn't have to mean that the flaws aren't real. In the case of MO I honestly can't see anything else than flaws anymore - the game was better before Dawn, even though it still sucked. Worst expansion ever, and I even tried Eve Incarna for about 5 minutes.

Originally posted by username509

Mortal Online is simply the best phantasy sandbox MMO on the market right now.  Handsdown.  It has a healthy population and the game has been live now for well over a year.  It's not failing.  It's thriving.  

A lot of things are purposefully twisted by the members on these forums  to sound worse than they actually are and any positives downplayed to seem trivial.  This is 100% true.  If a legitimate critic didn't like the game they would make 2 or 3 posts about how much it sucked and then moved on.  There are people on these forums who have made literrally THOUSANDS apon THOUSANDS of excessive negative posts about Mortal Online.  That's not just trolling. It's a metal problem.  

I can't believe this post is over 7 pages long in less then a day. It just goes to show how Mortal Online can generate debate and friction between openpvp fullloot gamers and there butthurt victems.  Ultimately for anyone who hasn't played this game before I wouldn't believe anything posted on these forums.  Simply install the the game and play the free trial then make your own opinion about the game.  

Meh, I'd have to say UO still has the title for best fantasy sandbox MMO on the market.... which is why even with it's outdated graphics and over a decade life span it still has more subs than MO and were talking a great deal more subs lol. 

The problems with GM intervention durring sieges is real.......

They Did delete a whole town.........

The game is and has been buggy as hell........

There have been and still are to many exploits.........(Unless this has changed very recently)

The public opinion of MO and SV is derived from the problems MO has and the actions of SV, only a minor part of it comes from people reading negative comments on a forum. 

I mean..... the reason there are thousands upon thousands of excessively negative posts about Mortal Online is because the game and the devs that developed it and run it have managed to piss out a great deal of people in one manner or another.

SV is simply being made to lay in the bed they have made for themselves. 

I mean seriously this all started long ago, one of the big ones I remember was the fallout between players that paid extra for a Physical copy of the game that were continually strung along until SV eventually said they weren't sending any because it would be a waste of time essentially lol. Did the players get at least the price difference refunded? No. Not unless like me they did a charge back :) Though mine was a pre-order and the charge back was because the game was an unfinished mess and they refused to refund me. 

In any case, your entitled to your opinion but don't blame players/former players. SV has brought the negativity on themselves. A little honesty and professionalism would have went a long way. The lack of those gets you this kind of treatment. When they F up now days it's made visiable for all to laugh at. 

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Shizaxxx

So this is basically a nice way of saying: "It sucks we can't delete posts on other websites".

Good stuff, good stuff... "Haters" aren't the only ones who twist the truth - fanbois does it aswell.

 This. They've definitely tried to bully MMORPG.com before and Wikipedia.

Umm, I'd hardly say they "bully" wikipedia. There is very little that Starvault has actually done on the wikipedia page, and its hard to top what some of the anti- MO posters have done there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mortal_Online&action=historysubmit&diff=444842303&oldid=444837164

This is from 6 days ago . Someone wiped the entire entry and replaced it with one sentence "MO is known as the worst MMORPG ever to be developped in history"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Qwyrxian/Archive_4#Your_message

This is  the discussion between Qwyrxian (a wikipedia editer) and someone from Starvault. Since you are mentioned in the discussion I'm sure you are aware that  Qwyrxian pointed out that it the negative additions didn't fit the definition of vandalism but that they did not meet the NPOV or no original research standards.  The person adding the negative comments ended up being banned for that and for using the name "Starvault" to make the posts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:StarVault

As to the fact that there are not already more people on this forum countering the negative comments, that is in part due to the fact that many people feel that it would be futile. A simple search for "osmunda" on the MO forums will bring up a couple threads of people expressing that opinion

I'm an editor on Wikipedia and have to clean up the mess that many fanboys make.

Every few days a "Trivia" section pops up and brags about how basshunter plays the game.

Every few days I have to edit the system requirements because people edit them and then don't source them.

Any description about the game that is put in is unsourced and uses phrases like "This is a complex game compared to today's MMOs", "Mortal Online is a dramatic experience", "Mortal Online takes skill".

On the other hand I saw many deletions of properly sourced entries such as the disabling of Dawn features in "Under Development".

Overall the article is terrible. Very few citations and very broad claims.

I think that this whole initiative proves how bad the game is doing.

Well, that's kinda overstating it, I admit.

Let me put it this way: When a developer asks it's fanbase to defend their game on a 3rd party site, you know something's wrong.

I mean....he's a dev, right? Or something along those lines......Gah, i don't know.

Well if it was StarVault's plan to cause even more negative replies, it sure worked.

And where's our #1 incognito MO dev today? I only see his drunken raging alt account..

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Hmmm I am thinking someone did not listen to the bottom paragraph.  If you want to debate let's debate.  Not flame and troll and not back up, reasoning or statments.

The "I am right and you are wrong because I say so" argument only is fun for so long.

As someone that has never tried MO and has no basis to offer an opinion on it one way or another.  The one thing that is troubling about this whole thing is the apparent lack of transparency on the MO Community Manager's part.

If he feels that his game is being given a raw deal in commentary here....there is nothing wrong for him to ask fans to come here and give thier own impressions of the game.

What IS very clearly wrong, IMO, is his initial (apparently failed) attempted to get the MMORPG Community Manager to moderate negative posts that did not violate the terms of service. Attempts to silence criticism simply because it happens to present a view that you disagree with is anthetical to the sort of free and healthy debate that forums like this should be about. If you disagree with a particular viewpoint, state your own position...don't try to silence the opposition.

If he truly feels MO is being given a raw deal here. He should make a post here where he discloses who he is, and what his relation to MO is (transparency is critical in these sorts of situations) and calmy state what impressions of MO he feels are being misrepresented and why he feels that way....and idealy offer evidence or citations to back up his position.

That is, IMO, the proper way to handle things. Lurking in the shadows and trying to get a 3rd party site moderated is not....and just comes off as rather creepy.

Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

As someone that has never tried MO and has no basis to offer an opinion on it one way or another.  The one thing that is troubling about this whole thing is the apparent lack of transparency on the MO Community Manager's part.

If he feels that his game is being given a raw deal in commentary here....there is nothing wrong for him to ask fans to come here and give thier own impressions of the game.

What IS very clearly wrong, IMO, is his initial (apparently failed) attempted to get the MMORPG Community Manager to moderate negative posts that did not violate the terms of service. Attempts to silence criticism simply because it happens to present a view that you disagree with is anthetical to the sort of free and healthy debate that forums like this should be about. If you disagree with a particular viewpoint, state your own position...don't try to silence the opposition.

If he truly feels MO is being given a raw deal here. He should make a post here where he discloses who he is, and what his relation to MO is (transparency is critical in these sorts of situations) and calmy state what impressions of MO he feels are being misrepresented and why he feels that way....and idealy offer evidence or citations to back up his position.

That is, IMO, the proper way to handle things. Lurking in the shadows and trying to get a 3rd party site moderated is not....and just comes off as rather creepy.

If StarVault was looking for communication, we would still be posting in the official forums on their website. ;)

Originally posted by Incomparable

I have seen that there is fully nudity in the game. What I want to know if there are titty phyics for jiggly bewbs.

 

If they do not have jiggly bewbs then there is thier problem. Sounds kind of silly, but why implement full nudifty and not make the most of it?

 

It is obvious they want a mature world that is dark, twisted, and quite sexual. In my opinion if they go the full nine yards, well in my case it would be a lot smaller than that, but if they go the full nine yards then their world will represent the dark feeling of a lawless land.

 

Who cares about being politically correct with violence, gore, and sexual themes (excluding real life allusions)? If that is the problem these days with adult titles with gore, violence and sexual themes being politically correct, then what is the point of making a mature game with what seems to be nothing more than gimicks. 

 

There should be gambling, wenches, bar fights, bloody quests, gore, the horror, etc with the occasional sunshine as something to be appreciate every once in a while. Just having an open world does not cut it, it just leaves it out to the community to create the game for ourselves, and that does not seem to be the winning formula at the moment.

 

I will wait patiently for confirmation of the sweater puffs gone bonkers. Till then it should be implemented or no dice.

This is a great post. I really enjoyed it. Seeing that  Mortal Onlines' CM is monitoring this thread, maybe your suggestions will be discussed with the devs and implemented.  This could be the post that saves Mortal Online :)

Originally posted by Incomparable

I have seen that there is fully nudity in the game. What I want to know if there are titty phyics for jiggly bewbs.

 

If they do not have jiggly bewbs then there is thier problem. Sounds kind of silly, but why implement full nudifty and not make the most of it?

 

It is obvious they want a mature world that is dark, twisted, and quite sexual. In my opinion if they go the full nine yards, well in my case it would be a lot smaller than that, but if they go the full nine yards then their world will represent the dark feeling of a lawless land.

 

Who cares about being politically correct with violence, gore, and sexual themes (excluding real life allusions)? If that is the problem these days with adult titles with gore, violence and sexual themes being politically correct, then what is the point of making a mature game with what seems to be nothing more than gimicks. 

 

There should be gambling, wenches, bar fights, bloody quests, gore, the horror, etc with the occasional sunshine as something to be appreciate every once in a while. Just having an open world does not cut it, it just leaves it out to the community to create the game for ourselves, and that does not seem to be the winning formula at the moment.

 

I will wait patiently for confirmation of the sweater puffs gone bonkers. Till then it should be implemented or no dice.

 Hrmmm. I don't know, I just know there was no slider for my character's junk, which will make RP difficult.

back to OP,

Asking people to be constructive just doesn't seem that bad to me.

I am amazed at how hard it is for SV folks to accept that not everyone likes their game for the simple reason of it being bad. They will resort to all kind of excuses such as calling users of this forum trolls, haters etc etc, but ignoring simple fact: you can't please everyone. This forum is full of veterans of the mmo genre, and there is a reason for majority not liking the game, it is simply bad, get over it.

If they would stop being biased towards whole community just because of one games subforum, and take a look at The Pub forum for example, they would find many civil and in-depth discussions going on, to prove that the community is mature and civil, and the issue with some people disliking MO lies within the game, not the community. Sure, there are some people who have sort of crusade against MO despite not playing it. But even there, SV is at fault for either cheating them (many have a story with SV), or simply letting down with all the promises. There is such a simple concept as revenge, which applies to forums as well.

Not to mention, that officially asking fans to post positive stuff about a game on a forum shows how desperate they are.. :/

TLDR; Some people don't like your game, get over it.

I'd have to say that it's a pretty major logistical mistake, for a company suffering from bad public image, to move the arguments over to forums that are beyond your control.  You could try to spin it as bravery I suppose, "We are showing that we have the guts to stand up against our detractors"--but spin or not, it is not a good idea.

Hire some public relations person(s) to talk you out of making bad decisions of this magnitude. 

This thread has gone too far off-topic and there is too much baiting going on here. Please follow the RoC when posting in the future.

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