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  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5566

8/06/11 7:30:54 PM#121

This thread is one big LOL.

 

People's heads are exploding left and right because Blizzard is going to make even *gasp* more money. People on this site just can't stand it. Blizzard wins again. They are going to sell 3 million copies of Diablo 3 and going to make 3 times that amount off the totally legal RMT. 

 

And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.

 

The even funnier thing is that they are doing a service for the players of Diablo 3 by kicking the illegal RMT people in the nuts. Dollars/work hour are going to be horrendous for them if they feel they can put the hours into this at all. They are going to literally destroy illegal RMT as we know it. And the best part is, they are going to make even more money doing it - thus making it more likely that they will produce a higher quantity of higher quality products.

 

And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade. 

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  VPgearchin

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Joined: 2/10/06
Posts: 170

" May blind eyes one day see the Light"

8/06/11 7:34:12 PM#122
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
Originally posted by siphrdamon

TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.

It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.

There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.

 

The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.

of course, we as gamers should let our money speak louder than words, but to many of us it wont. This will just turn into a big mess if it keeps going , but many of us wont see it as a mess, 'since it works". Shame, you would think they would care about giving a great product without competing with real money. Seriously, i wish we as gamers, let Activision know how we feel, by not buying any of their games for the next 2 years so they can see, they cant milk us dry.

  kilun

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Joined: 12/25/07
Posts: 692

8/06/11 7:37:54 PM#123
Originally posted by siphrdamon

TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.

 These aren't gold farmers.  They are loot farmers in a single player RPG with some competitive traits such as a ladder and a "rush".  What is Blizzard's other course of action?  Just not allow it?  Then the 3rd party sites get all the money and people who purchase get shafted now and again.  It isn't not going to happen, might as well attempt to regulate it.

Shows me your naive at how Diablo works.  It doesn't affect me.  I play with a few friends and play to this day, I'm in two tournaments in the single player forum of incgamers site.  If you look at my avatar I bet you can find me as its the same...

Originally posted by Kelthius
 

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Chackz



QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!


 

Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.

This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.

And Diablo II was never P2W?  Why did hacked items sell all the time?  Diablo is what you make of it.  You do your own thing.  You don't require anyone but yourself and your own playstyle.  Guess what you can do absurd things with absurd builds in Diablo II and I think it'll transition to Diablo III.

As others have stated there is a difference between someone playing Diablo for a year and the people who've spend 4+ years playing/modding Diablo 1 and then doing the same but for the last 10 playing/modding Diablo II.  (For example I've played every year for 3-6months once I've started to play MMO's and thats just exclusive D2/D1 only, I normally have a character going all the time)  The only ones who actually get shafted are the modders over at the Phrozen Keep who have put out some nice damn mods.  If its going to be online, and I don't need the item as I play usually in tournament style mods which only allow certain items I'll sell my stuff after I'm done with my toon.  Awesome I get to profit without using eBay(not that its an option anymore, but it was back in the day).  Some of us have been looking forward to Diablo III with an negative outlook but all the variants with choices leads me to believe it'll have 10x as many options as Diablo II offers.  I've been looking forward to this now and this just is a slam dunk as over time this game will cost me nadda and I'll make a few.

As for whether the "free" listing is just a set number or whatnot does it matter really?  If its such a low cost, you should be smart enough to use the initial free ones to gain money to list more stuff.

  Erstok

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Joined: 2/06/09
Posts: 581

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8/06/11 7:39:27 PM#124


When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5212

8/06/11 7:39:35 PM#125
Originally posted by siphrdamon
Originally posted by Khalathwyr
Originally posted by siphrdamon

TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.

It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.

There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.

 

The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.

of course, we as gamers should let our money speak louder than words, but to many of us it wont. This will just turn into a big mess if it keeps going , but many of us wont see it as a mess, 'since it works". Shame, you would think they would care about giving a great product without competing with real money. Seriously, i wish we as gamers, let Activision know how we feel, by not buying any of their games for the next 2 years so they can see, they cant milk us dry.

 Yes all one hundredth of a percent of gamers that read these forums boycott Blizzard! That'll show 'em!

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  AKASlaphappy

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Joined: 7/01/06
Posts: 812

8/06/11 8:10:28 PM#126
Originally posted by sigreth

 

Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.

 

Do not play that song and dance for me, I work in the IT industry I know servers and bandwidth are nowhere near as expensive as you are making them out to be. Plus as a business owner I know that you can write that expense off at the end of the year on your taxes as a business expense. So go play your small violin for someone without any knowledge of what you are talking about, maybe they will listen to you.
 
As for the more money they make the more content they will put out, you only wish it worked that way. Blizzard makes one thousands times more off of WoW than any other MMO company, does that mean WoW has one thousands times more content updates. If you actually believe that you are fool, the more profits they make as a publicly traded company the more money is sent out as dividends to shareholders and bonuses to board of directors. Yes that means they have more money for development then an indie developer, but if you really think they put all that money back into development then you really have no clue how business works.
 
 
 
Originally posted by colddog04

 

And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.

 

And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade. 

 

 

Oh yes, because it is not like their decisions could ever affect my game.  Well what if Blizzard makes tons of money off of their digital e-bay and it becomes a standard for all games to come with one. Now did their spending habits affect my game play at that point? But you are so right people can spend their money how they want, who cares how it could affect the gaming industry.
 
Yeah like supply and demand are going to affect the items drop rate. Let’s see who has more of a chance of getting an item that has a one in a million chance of dropping, a regular player of Diablo 3 that has to spend time working and with their family, or a person that is paid to farm items 16 hours a day. Well let’s see how the odds work out famer has 16 hours to get that lucky drop, regular gamer maybe has 6 hours on a good day to get that item. I am no math wizard but I think that farmer has better odds here, then average Joe gamer. So how does that affect your supply and demand when the farmers are getting the really rare items and are controlling how many go up on the digital e-bay at one time? I will give you a clue in case you missed that 10th grade class, it is in one persons favor and it is not in ours! So who does that scenario work out better for there?  
 
Now are people stupid because they just do not see your ideal situation for how item selling would work. Because the example I just gave is only one case I can think of where it does not work out in the gamer’s advantage. But you are so right only stupid people cannot see your point of view; it is great being a hypocrite isn’t it? It is so fun everyone should be one.
  Tokyojoe

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Joined: 7/30/11
Posts: 52

Never carry a knife to a gun fight.

8/06/11 8:13:42 PM#127

Love that image.

I may know the least here,but I am the loudest about what I do know.

  shane242

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Joined: 9/11/05
Posts: 90

:(

8/06/11 8:14:17 PM#128

D3 will have BOP items anyway right?


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  SevenOmatic

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 182

8/06/11 8:19:27 PM#129

Personally, I would love to sit on my a^^ all day and game D3 while earning some cash on top of it.

  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
Posts: 6825

8/06/11 8:22:25 PM#130
Originally posted by Bastyani

I quit Lineage 2 for the very same reason. Farmers simply camped and owned places where best items (and most expensive) dropped so they could sell them on Ebay.


What will prevent farmers now to camp places like that to collect all the best items and sell them regulary (this time) on market. And believe me, there is no guild that can fight off these farmers as I'm talking about 100+ organised people who work for their *BOSS* in some shady place.


People will buy the game. Firstly because it Blizzard and secondly because its probably good.


But once  realising they cant get items they want simply because of farmers, unless they say hello to the little thing called Mastercard or Visa. Rage quit is inevitable.


Blizzard, wake up! You are going the wrong way! Billions aren't good enough for you? You want trillions?

Ah doh this is not linage II, no persistent world, you start your own instance, rather hard to camp that.  Maybe you should understand how the game works before ranting about something that will never occur. 

If someone would do this in an MMO, the developers would have to insure areas would not be camped.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5566

8/06/11 8:32:53 PM#131
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy
Originally posted by colddog04

 

And what's wrong with that? People have a right to spend their money any way they want to. Obviously a lot of these people without heads on their necks (from having already exploded at this news) aren't going to buy it, but that'll barely touch their pocketbooks.

 

And if you think this benefits the typical illegal RMT sellers, then, quite simply, you are stupid. Understanding supply and demand is an important part of 10th grade. 

 

 

Oh yes, because it is not like their decisions could ever affect my game.  Well what if Blizzard makes tons of money off of their digital e-bay and it becomes a standard for all games to come with one. Now did their spending habits affect my game play at that point? But you are so right people can spend their money how they want, who cares how it could affect the gaming industry.
 
Yeah like supply and demand are going to affect the items drop rate. Let’s see who has more of a chance of getting an item that has a one in a million chance of dropping, a regular player of Diablo 3 that has to spend time working and with their family, or a person that is paid to farm items 16 hours a day. Well let’s see how the odds work out famer has 16 hours to get that lucky drop, regular gamer maybe has 6 hours on a good day to get that item. I am no math wizard but I think that farmer has better odds here, then average Joe gamer. So how does that affect your supply and demand when the farmers are getting the really rare items and are controlling how many go up on the digital e-bay at one time? I will give you a clue in case you missed that 10th grade class, it is in one persons favor and it is not in ours! So who does that scenario work out better for there?  
 
Now are people stupid because they just do not see your ideal situation for how item selling would work. Because the example I just gave is only one case I can think of where it does not work out in the gamer’s advantage. But you are so right only stupid people cannot see your point of view; it is great being a hypocrite isn’t it? It is so fun everyone should be one.

People are stupid because they fail to understand that there is more than one RMT on the planet. Which pretty much discounts everything you say here.

 

I don't know why some people don't get it, but you are one of them.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  DrunknGoat

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8/06/11 8:35:11 PM#132

Leave this forum immediately and never come back...never speak of Diablo 3 or it's predecessors again because you clearly have done zero investigation or playing of the series and are just hopping on the band wagon for blizzard hating that's going around. 

 

First:  You can't camp mobs. They don't respawn like an MMO. Why? Because this is not an MMO so do a little more research before you go bashing things you're uninformed about. You kill that boss, now you either have to join another's game or reload one for yourself, camping is impossible. 

 

Second:  If you've ever played a diablo game they max out at 8 players per match, so you won't have guilds of 100's camping mobs so you won't ever proceed and stealing all the good loot.  It's called a private match in diablo..it's called password protected...guess what, you can play till your hearts content and camp your own mobs?!!

 

Third:  All drops in Diablo 3 are essentially "eye of the beholder".  Only YOU see the loot that drops for you, thus removing any possibility of someone snatching you're goods up or "ninja looting" for you since you never played D2.

 

Fourth: I have played D2 on and off for the last decade and the RMT has been in there in full swing for quite a while.  Though right now it's just constant item spam in any room you go into because blizzard has zero control of it.  Also making it difficult to play because the spam literally covers 3/4 of your viewing area and is really annoying.  No you cannot password it if you're just hoping to get a match with some other avid players.  The fact that blizzard is willing to try and battle this problem head on and give us an ability to make a little cash just doing something we love is a gift.  They take a flat fee, big deal, they're doing all the transaction handling etc and the back end.  You're just setting it up. Consider it a broker's fee, or a banker's fee like cashing a check at a different bank...even an ATM charge.

 

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY AND TAKE YOUR WHINE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

  Tokyojoe

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Joined: 7/30/11
Posts: 52

Never carry a knife to a gun fight.

8/06/11 8:37:20 PM#133

Is that you dad?

I may know the least here,but I am the loudest about what I do know.

  babac

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Joined: 2/08/07
Posts: 186

8/06/11 8:46:14 PM#134

There is not much Blizzard left in Blizzard from the good old wc2 / d2 days. Blizzard is now Activisions cash cow, much like Infinity Ward.

  Unlight

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 2586

8/06/11 8:52:57 PM#135
Originally posted by Vallador

FFS there is like ten or more threads about it already....

Don't read them if they upset you -- and clearly they do.

  Unlight

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 2586

8/06/11 9:13:04 PM#136
Originally posted by adam_nox

god I'm sick of replying to people but here goes. 


part of the fun of diablo 2 was finding the right item because you get to a point there you either need a very hard to get unique to improve, or the random stats that would be an improvement have very low odds of being just right.  Not everyone wants to farm the same boss run after run after run. 


whether you trade someone for an item, or buy it outright (if the game even allows it which I'm skeptical, it may turn out everything good is soulbound), you likely aren't going to find everything you end up wearing.

Part of the fun of Diablo 2 was finding those rarest of rare drops.  I played the hell out of the game and never felt the need to buy my way to success.  Playing with my buddies and trading or giving away (giving away?! perish the thought!) nice drops was integral to what made the game enjoyable.  There was always a chance that something new and unque would drop, which created a very powerful hook.

But here comes Blizzard's new pseudo-MMO where if you just don't have the patience and aren't in it for the enjoyable gameplay, you can shortcut to greatness with a few bucks. 

Now, I can easily choose not to buy anything, but this sets a precedence in the game world.  If it succeeds, more will follow suit, and I guarantee the models that will be used will become more and more onerous, stripping more and more game features that used to be free, and putting a price tag on them.  I won't support it because I don't want to see what lies further down this ugly path.  However, I'm resigned to the fact that people like you are going to drag me down it whether I like it or not because you form the majority.  Congrats.  But I won't go without a fight.

And as far as having to login to play their stupid game -- haven't we learned a single frickin' lesson from the idiocy that it is Games for Windows Live?  Evidently not.  Logging in to play a game that exists solely on your own hard drive.  Absurd.

  AKASlaphappy

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Posts: 812

8/06/11 9:36:03 PM#137
Originally posted by colddog04
 

People are stupid because they fail to understand that there is more than one RMT on the planet. Which pretty much discounts everything you say here.

 

I don't know why some people don't get it, but you are one of them.

Oh yes just because there is more than one RMT means that supply and demand must work exactly as the theory describes it. Do you really believe that, if you do you must live in the magical land of fairy dust and unicorns? It is not like a group can get together and practice unfair business practice like price gouging. Do you even realize that most civilized counties have made laws to stop this, because leaving businesses up to their own devices did not work out the way the theory you maintain as fact described.  
 
There is not going to be a governmental watch dog watching the farmers getting the really rare items. So what is stopping them from getting together, and in the name of profit, price gouging those items? Nothing is the correct answer, why would blizzard care they are making money off the listing, sell, and transferring of the money.   
 
I do not get why some people believe all business will do the fair thing when there is tons of evidence to prove otherwise, but apparently you are one of them. So have fun in you fairy tale land of pixie dust and supply and demand covers everything theory.
 
See how that works, it is so much fun being a hypocrite and calling people stupid because they do not see everything the way you do. 
 
Originally posted by DrunknGoat

Leave this forum immediately and never come back...never speak of Diablo 3 or it's predecessors again because you clearly have done zero investigation or playing of the series and are just hopping on the band wagon for blizzard hating that's going around. 

 


IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY AND TAKE YOUR WHINE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Pretty brave for someone with one post to tell other people to leave because you do not agree with them, how about you listen to your own advice before you condemn others that share their opinion.
  sigreth

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Joined: 5/19/04
Posts: 21

8/06/11 9:51:14 PM#138

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy



Originally posted by sigreth






 




Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.



 



Do not play that song and dance for me, I work in the IT industry I know servers and bandwidth are nowhere near as expensive as you are making them out to be. Plus as a business owner I know that you can write that expense off at the end of the year on your taxes as a business expense. So go play your small violin for someone without any knowledge of what you are talking about, maybe they will listen to you.


 


As for the more money they make the more content they will put out, you only wish it worked that way. Blizzard makes one thousands times more off of WoW than any other MMO company, does that mean WoW has one thousands times more content updates. If you actually believe that you are fool, the more profits they make as a publicly traded company the more money is sent out as dividends to shareholders and bonuses to board of directors. Yes that means they have more money for development then an indie developer, but if you really think they put all that money back into development then you really have no clue how business works.


 


Ya wanna know whats funny about your statements? It obvious you arn't in the IT buisness and nor do you own your own company. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting off at the mouth like you know what your talking about when you don't. I am in the IT buisness have been for over 10 years. You seem to think that servers and the IT portion are the only thing Blizzard has to pay for. Anyone who understand buisness understand there is more to it then just make money and go. Of course not all the money goes back into the company. People have to get paid. But if they make no money then they can't make more content. Also, you really think that most of the money Blizzard makes off of WoW doesn't go back into the company? I know for a fact how much it takes to make a game. You obviously don't. Which is why you think Blizzard should just give and give. It's a case of poor man hates the rich because he couldn't make the money himself and the rich won't give what they have earned to the poor man. Learn how the world works, if you want something earn it or steal it, because no one is going to just give it to you.


- Sigreth

  Zzad

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Joined: 2/14/11
Posts: 1329

8/06/11 10:01:08 PM#139

I don´t like it....to the point that actually i will not be buying the game for this & the non-offline mode of the game.

  Souldrainer

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Posts: 1878

8/06/11 10:20:04 PM#140

Originally posted by Golelorn

Chinese farmers will be the only people to profit from this(aside from Blizzard).


I'm sure some people are thinking they will hawk their wares. No you won't, because the Chinese farmers who have an army that farm crap 24/7 will drive prices so low you won't be willing to grind for a few dollars an hour.


One of the worst ideas ever.



 


 Not to mention the spam we won't be able to stop when it becomes *legal* to advertise real world sales in the game.


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