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  dothackking

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8/06/11 4:57:26 PM#101

I think anyone whining about this never played Diablo 2, or never met the secret "black market."


 


The farmers and dupers were making crazy money on D2, and Blizzard is trying to keep players from having to go to shady third party sites to buy from the farmers that they're sure to buy from.


  Kelthius

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8/06/11 4:58:18 PM#102
Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Chackz



QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!



 

Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.

This. It doesn't matter that you can get it on the gold auction house. The person who spends RL money will advance faster than anyone who doesn't. D3 is officially P2W.

  Azrile

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8/06/11 5:02:11 PM#103

Originally posted by Raventree



The only thing that worries me about this is that if people can sell things for real world money, why would they bother selling them for game currency?  I wonder if items will all end up being sold for real money so the ability to buy them for game currency will suddenly begin to decrease and then eventually simply go away.  Not only that, but then this new real money auction house will spread to other games like a cancer when all gaming companies see they can get a cut of the profits for very little work. 


A worst case scenario is that playing MMOs becomes less of a time sink for people and more of a persistent money sink.  You want that item?  Oh, well it isn't available for game currency because the seller is only offering it for real money.  You want those other 10 items?  None of them are offered for game currency, so get out your wallet, biatch.


Initially it sounds like you can buy items for either game currency or real money, but how long will that last when there is the potential to make a real profit?



 


In Diablo 2, nobody ever sold anything for ingame currency.  I think you guys are all looking at it from a MMORPG perspective and not from a Diablo 2 perspective.  Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.


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  User Deleted
8/06/11 5:05:32 PM#104
Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Raventree



The only thing that worries me about this is that if people can sell things for real world money, why would they bother selling them for game currency?  I wonder if items will all end up being sold for real money so the ability to buy them for game currency will suddenly begin to decrease and then eventually simply go away.  Not only that, but then this new real money auction house will spread to other games like a cancer when all gaming companies see they can get a cut of the profits for very little work. 


A worst case scenario is that playing MMOs becomes less of a time sink for people and more of a persistent money sink.  You want that item?  Oh, well it isn't available for game currency because the seller is only offering it for real money.  You want those other 10 items?  None of them are offered for game currency, so get out your wallet, biatch.


Initially it sounds like you can buy items for either game currency or real money, but how long will that last when there is the potential to make a real profit?



 

In Diablo 2, nobody ever sold anything for ingame currency.  I think you guys are all looking at it from a MMORPG perspective and not from a Diablo 2 perspective.  Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.

 

  But...But...But...it's still P2W, and this is MMORPG....and all people can do is rage here!  While true, your post will be ignored because it doesn't fit in to what the 'gamers' here feel is right, and since they speak for everyone and are always right...well....

  AKASlaphappy

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8/06/11 5:22:03 PM#105
Originally posted by crazynanny


1. Blizz will give some free listings weekly so casual sellers don't have to pay a dime for selling items.
 
You make it sound as if players will get free listing for the life of the game that is not what the FAQ says: Please note that we plan to waive the listing portion of the fee for a limited number of transactions per account.
 
Limited number of transactions per account, not weekly, wonder what that means can you super genius Blizzard lovers explain that to us. Oh I love it, the irony of Blizzard fans telling the people on MMORPG to read up because they do not know what they are talking about, and the Blizzard fans have not even read the FAQ!
 
 
Originally posted by Ramonski7

On top of that you admit that you're not even a big Diablo fan, which leads me to believe you know what the difference is between a regular fan and a BIG fan. To all the regular fans, this system will not change a thing as this is NOT a mmo.

Tell that to the regular fans that go into the Arena for some PVP and get pounded into the dust by the people that bought the best items in the game. Yep no affects what so ever on the game, thanks for clearing that up. 
 
 
Originally posted by HurricanePip

Yes.  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.


 
And just because saying asinine stuff is fun, people murder thousands of other people a year. If you cannot beat then let’s join them, legalize murder. Woohoo, now I need to get me a M60!
 
 
Originally posted by Azrile
  Anyone who played D2 loves this addition because it provides a safe, ingame way to do what most players were doing anyway on hacked 3rd party sites.
Oh yes the most people do it so we should make it so they do not get punished if caught argument. I agree with that we should legalize all drugs, murder, rape, and thievery; after all you could argue most of mankind does it so why should they get punished for it. I love his argument it is the best!
 
 
  Suraknar

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8/06/11 5:33:34 PM#106

The more I think about this the more it seems like Blizzard is walking on to a very slipery slope.


Whop is to say, that someone in the world, does not find a way to hack the game and get access to unlimited copies of the game's items that some people may want to have? Who is to say, that some obscure Dev does not do this even, knowing the code of the game & all.


Greed can be a very powerfull incentive fro some people to venture in to the gray zone or even cross the line.


I was looking forward to many hours of fun with it, as I did have with the previous two games, but enough is enough.


I shall leave it at that, I have decided not to play D3, if it does not support real Solo (Offline) play, I am simply out, D3 never existed.


Besides, Guild Wars 2 is nearing launch will have fun there instead.

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  Major69er1

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8/06/11 5:34:47 PM#107

What will stop Blizzard from creating items and putting them for sale for real monies that are greater then the ones you find? This game introduces so many dishonest ways of cheating people.I dont understand how real gamers codone such actions.

  sigreth

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Joined: 5/19/04
Posts: 21

8/06/11 5:36:14 PM#108

First off, no one will be able to camp and farm spots so you can't go there. D3 is not an MMO. Its an online game where you have instances of the game with a few people, and you choose them.


Second, there will be two auction houses. A real world money one and an in-game currency one. Why would you use the second one? Well, the real world money one will require real world money just like EBay and other auctions. Creigs List idea mentioned above is probably the only way around spending money to make money with an auction house.


Finally, why care so much about the auction houses? You don't have to use them. As another posted about FUNCOM. It seems you people complain just to complain, especially about Blizzard. Why fault anyone for wanting to make money off of something they built? No one around here complains about the farmers price on eggs or milk. The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.


- Sigreth

  AKASlaphappy

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8/06/11 5:43:33 PM#109
Originally posted by sigreth

The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.

But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!
  sigreth

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Posts: 21

8/06/11 5:45:10 PM#110

Originally posted by Major69er1



What will stop Blizzard from creating items and putting them for sale for real monies that are greater then the ones you find? This game introduces so many dishonest ways of cheating people.I dont understand how real gamers codone such actions.



 


Well, nothing is stopping Blizzard from doing that other then they said they wouldn't. Which should be more then good enough for anyone. But realistically they have every right to do that. It's their time and money, if they want to sell items like that then it's up to them. We dont have to buy them, lol. Also, what makes you think we have the right as real gamers to codone any actions Blizzard makes? If we don't like what they are doing then we don't buy the game. However, 90% of the people on  this website will get D3 and play it and enjoy it. It is rediculous to assume as players we have the right to tell a company how to make their games. We can tell them what we want and don't want and what we like and don't like. But we have no right to tell them we don't condone their actions. Blizzard isn't some evil company out to take over the world and destroy everything.  lol


- Sigreth

  sigreth

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8/06/11 5:49:15 PM#111

Originally posted by AKASlaphappy



Originally posted by sigreth


The video game industry is about making money just like everyone else. I say more power to Blizzard for having a way to support their game without the need of subscriptions.




But the video game industry use to make money by producing content that gamers thought was worth buying. Now with gamer support digital e-bays they can just sit on their hands and make money hand over first. I can see what that is such a great deal for consumers everywhere!


 


Do you have any idea how much it costs to support online servers, millions of people connecting to them, and all the other requirements to run things like battle.net? They just don't put out enough expantions to cover that. D2 has been costing Blizzard money over the years. It is fair to allow D3 to actually make them money. Also, the more money they make the more content they can put out for the game.


- Sigreth

  Painlezz

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8/06/11 5:50:10 PM#112

It's so annoying to see the endless spam of useless posts and ignorant comments.

I read comment after comment about "Blizzard trying to grab more money!" 

You have full access and are 100% capable of using in game currency to buy in game items... The CASH shop is 100% optional.  If you want to spend real money on fake items, or earn real money for fake items blizzard is giving you a very safe and easy way to do it.

GROW UP BOYS AND GIRLS...

Ebay is 1000x worse.  They charge you for the listing, they charge you a % on the final sale.  And from everything we've been told so far, Ebay is WAY more expencive.

Go bitch about Ebay

  seafirex

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8/06/11 5:53:32 PM#113

Well i for one will not be buying anything from the ah with real money, even if i can just for the fact that i dont even buy anything in f2p games, i use in-game items i win in-game or buy on ah but with game money. The only thing i see that will benefit me is the fact that i will get to play the game for fun and make money off the shoulders of people that dont know how to spend there hard earn cash. ( So basically i win on all side ) Ty blizz, as per i dont care if i am the best at a game, i just care if i have fun and know i spent my cash at something that benefits me

  Zetsuei

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8/06/11 5:54:25 PM#114

I seriously busted out laughing at this. Your a fool if you actually believe your "Friends" made a living out of it. Christ, kids these days are such fools.


  Tokyojoe

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8/06/11 6:02:24 PM#115

No.it has nothing to do with personal evil. It's about greed. Banks don't hate you when they load you up with fees . Wall Street doesn't hate you when they outsource your job to India,slash your benefits,call in your mortgage,and leave you standing out in the street with your family,homeless,jobless,and hungry. Petroleum companies don't hate you when they charge so much for gas you can't drive to a job interview. Insurance companies have nothing personal against you when they take away your coverage and tell you to go off in a corner and die quietly. Nothing personal. Just business as usual. They don't need a mansion. They need five. They need your money to go from being rich to being uber rich. The middle class was a prime hunting ground when they were still around . They are gone now. That leaves slim pick'ns ,like gamers to squeeze. It tales a lot of thinking and  bribes to politicians to get the things you want. To drain people,including gamers if possible,shake them down,turn them upside down till the last nickle falls out. Not hate. Just greed. Nothing personal. They don't even want to know who you are or see your face. Or you see their's. That would be too much like personal hate.

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  fundayz

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8/06/11 6:02:45 PM#116
Originally posted by Painlezz

You have full access and are 100% capable of using in game currency to buy in game items... The CASH shop is 100% optional.  If you want to spend real money on fake items, or earn real money for fake items blizzard is giving you a very safe and easy way to do it.

Unless you play exclusively single player, no, you don't.

In EVERY SINGLE GAME in which gold farming and gold selling/buying has become widespread, the in-game market has had incredible inflation. In multiple games this has ended up in regular players being locked out of the economy as the natural means of earning gold becomes obsolete.

Since D3 is going to allow gold farming, gold selling and gold buying there is no logical reason to think this won't happen in D3.

The 1000 gold you earn legitimately is not going to buy you anything if most people around you are paying 10 000 gold for the same item.

  Khalathwyr

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8/06/11 6:04:01 PM#117

I hate Auction Halls in MMOs. I equally hate the idea of players being able to buy gear that puts them ahead in a directly competitive game (i.e., for spawns, crafting materials, land space, etc.)

 

The above said, I think this will work for Diablo 3. Additionally, I plan to purchase Diablo 3. Why? It's not an MMO and I'm not DIRECTLY competing with other players for content. I can play the solo version to my hearts content and if I so happen to get a really kickass drop that I know will sell I can make some moeny. Cool.

I'd never support this idea in a MMO game however it suits me fine in a single player RPG that has online access.

As for the having to be connected to play the solo campaign, I think the concerns expressed are a little hypocritical. If memory serves me this site has no issue pushing/supporting STEAM, which has the same requirement. Sure, you can "rig" STEAM so that it only requires the authorization of a game once online but it's not like STEAM made this option very intuitive to use.

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  VPgearchin

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8/06/11 6:04:40 PM#118

TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.


  Khalathwyr

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8/06/11 6:16:52 PM#119
Originally posted by siphrdamon

TO me this Realmoney AH just tells me blizzard doesnt care about Gold farmers maing money off of their products, shame, that we are naive, to believe this wont affect any other game in the future.

It's not a matter of being naive. It's realiziing these companies are going to do what they damn well please as far as item malls regardless. Nothing you or I aor anyone on this site can do about it. Gamerdom isn't organized enough to "form a union" and pressure them not to. So, it's going to happen.

There have only been two real times that grassroots pressure's effects were shown. The first is with SWG and the NGE. If they had of instead tried to fix the games issues instead of changing it drastically, SOE would probably be in a position to renew their contract with LA as the game would have more subscribers than it has now. Not saying it would be competing with WoW for subs, but it would be more profitable.

 

The other is with Blizzard and the RealID system they wanted to try. gamers spoke loud and clear (because it affected them all in a real way...ta da!, now everyone knows your real name, have some of that pie). This cash shop idea doesn't affect the same number of gamers in the same way as the RealID thing did. I doubt there will be any significate pressure then to not do it.

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  zymurgeist

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8/06/11 6:27:03 PM#120
Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Chackz



QQ kid. You can use the gold aution house noob!



 

Don't be naive, the prices on the Gold AH are going to be so inflated due to rampant gold selling that the average user is not going to be able to use it on a consistent basis, if at all.

 Gold is worthless in Diablo. Always has been. No one will buy or sell it.

People really need to know something about this game before pitching in their two cents.

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