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  aesperus

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Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 4583

8/07/11 8:34:15 PM#241

I see a lot of misconceptions both for and against this decision. I'm also glad that some people brought up EQ / EQ2. Blizzard should absolutely be looking at those scenarios as an example of what can go wrong.

Personally, I recognize what a slipery slope such an implemented system is. Some of the people touting about how it will 'work', I think might be taking this a bit likely. This is a business, and while Blizz has a clear excuse for their decision, that doesn't mean that is their only intentions for implementing it. This is a business. It also doesn't mean that they won't change the system / how it's implemented down the line to benefit them.

Ever heard of the proverb, 'the road to ruin is paved with good intentions' ? This seems like a very fitting example. Lets just hope they don't go 'too far' with this system.

  Unlight

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Joined: 12/10/08
Posts: 2586

8/07/11 8:34:38 PM#242
Originally posted by expresso

Far too many are forgetting D3 os NOT an MMO.  The real money aucttion house is 100% player driven, there are no NPC's that player can buy the best gear from,  players need to find these rare items and choose to put them on the real money auction house, they could just as easily use the item themelves, give it to friends, break em down for rare matts or put in on the ingame gold auction house.


Get a grip everyone... you'll be be buying D3 no matter how many of your toys you throw from your prams.


D3 is not am MMO.. stop putting your expectations of an MMO onto D3.

Who's going to do that when they can turn a buck on it?  People are already giddy with thoughts of making money off this game.  Any other forms of trade are there in name only. 

  User Deleted
8/07/11 8:58:56 PM#243
Originally posted by yevgenii

A lot of people have SO many misconceptions about how this will work.

First off, it won't be a way to bypass the REGULAR auction house (yes, there is one). You will have to pay money to even LIST your item on the RMAH, which is probably going to be 5% of the buyout price or so, which means you can't simply list items for insane prices. You have to make sure the item will sell.

Second, this isn't P2W. Have you guys ever played D2? You could literally buy a character, fully quested, suited up, geared on D2items.com for cheap prices and that ruined the game. Now know this - the only items that are listed are the ones PEOPLE list, so in other words this isn't P2W, because the amount of items listed on the RMAH will be small, and all can be easily gained with some farming.

This isn't a path of lesser "evil". Good and bad are objectivisms that have no place in this game - D2 gold is as much of a currency as dollars are, and you will be easily able to trade them in for each other once gold selling sites prop up.

 

Blizzard saw one of their three big IP's ruined by online sites, hackers, and botters. They effectively eliminated the hackers and botters with B.net 2.0 (mostly) and now look to eliminate item-selling sites. This is a GOOD move, expect to see it in future games that are loot-driven (MMO'S). Instead of big companies owning sites like D2items.com that hack customer's accounts, Diablo 3 will have an auction house that is made BY the players, FOR the players, and people can buy items safely if they have the money to spend.

The listing portion of the fee, which helps encourage sensible listing prices and discourage the mass posting of items that are very low quality or would be of little interest to other players, will be waived for a limited number of transactions per account. For players who opt to have the proceeds of their auction house sales go to their third-party payment service account instead of to their Battle.net account, Blizzard will collect a separate “cash-out” fee. Specific details regarding these fees will be announced at a later date.

 

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/events/diablo3-announcement/#auction:auction-faq

  Athcear

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Joined: 9/19/09
Posts: 422

Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.

8/07/11 9:48:03 PM#244

The best way to make sure this doesn't ruin the game is simply not to use it.  There's a lot of posting here against this system.  If we don't use it, it can't hurt us.  Don't buy stuff.  Don't sell stuff.  Problem solved.


Important facts:
1. Free to Play games are poorly made.
2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals.
3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE.
4. Community is more important than you think.

  Hellmarauder

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Joined: 1/27/07
Posts: 178

8/07/11 10:04:26 PM#245

This is a bad system, and probably breaking international law.  This system will make international money laundering easy while Blizzard is taking a cut of it,  


Imagine someone buying a cheap in-game item for  million $$ real-world money, and turn around selling it for millions to another person in another country.   Blizzard is walking on thin ice with this idea.


  User Deleted
8/07/11 10:07:21 PM#246
Originally posted by Hellmarauder

This is a bad system, and probably breaking international law.  This system will make international money laundering easy while Blizzard is taking a cut of it,  


Imagine someone buying a cheap in-game item for  million $$ real-world money, and turn around selling it for millions to another person in another country.   Blizzard is walking on thin ice with this idea.

Large corporations have more fingers in the government, and the government has more fingers in them then you seem to believe.

 

Not to mention there are much easier ways to launder money, without leaving a digital trail to follow.

  bartoni33

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8/07/11 10:18:42 PM#247

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

  marinrider

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Joined: 4/18/06
Posts: 1574

8/07/11 10:21:09 PM#248
Originally posted by expresso

Far too many are forgetting D3 os NOT an MMO.  The real money aucttion house is 100% player driven, there are no NPC's that player can buy the best gear from,  players need to find these rare items and choose to put them on the real money auction house, they could just as easily use the item themelves, give it to friends, break em down for rare matts or put in on the ingame gold auction house.


Get a grip everyone... you'll be be buying D3 no matter how many of your toys you throw from your prams.


D3 is not am MMO.. stop putting your expectations of an MMO onto D3.

No thanks, I'm not going to support this.  There are plenty of other games I'd rather spend my $60 on.  If Blizzard wants to take this game (which already looks to be a bit different than the others in the series) and add another way for them to make some money and people go for it then fine, but I wont be a part of it.  

I'll take my money to a game that doesn't have infinity sign next to the words "Potential dollars per customer"  Many indie games seem to have it right so I can go and support that for the same level of fun for 1/4 of the amount of money.

If people buy and enjoy D3 then great, I'm always happy for someone who finds fun in games and I have nothing against those people.  But new Blizzard just isnt as good as old Blizzard in my eyes.

  Anzie

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Joined: 7/25/06
Posts: 447

8/07/11 10:37:21 PM#249
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!



Originally posted by Spathotan
The simplest way to put this, is like this. Buying a used/refurbished 360 is on the same plane as sharing a condom in a gangbang with strangers.

  bartoni33

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8/07/11 10:42:24 PM#250
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

  User Deleted
8/07/11 10:47:10 PM#251
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

I've bought some consoles for only 1 or 2 titles...  I guess you could say i spent hundreds of dollars on Mario.

  bartoni33

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8/07/11 10:51:36 PM#252
Originally posted by Revivial
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

I've bought some consoles for only 1 or 2 titles...  I guess you could say i spent hundreds of dollars on Mario.

Well that's different. You're a collector! You have awesome retro-gaming chic now!

  Anzie

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Joined: 7/25/06
Posts: 447

8/07/11 10:53:32 PM#253
Originally posted by Revivial
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

I've bought some consoles for only 1 or 2 titles...  I guess you could say i spent hundreds of dollars on Mario.

 

Really?

You're comparing a console to a piece of polygon that someone can create in 2seconds...



Originally posted by Spathotan
The simplest way to put this, is like this. Buying a used/refurbished 360 is on the same plane as sharing a condom in a gangbang with strangers.

  mmoguy43

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Joined: 3/31/09
Posts: 2293

8/07/11 10:56:27 PM#254

I can see it now...

Buy game, have fun for a week, start to get bored, feel like I need to get my $60 worth, sell items for $ back, spend more time playing than planned, not having fun, Blizzard continues to make more $ off of me, cut losses and quit. Goodgrief.

Eh, regardless it will be interesting to see how D3 turns out even though its the same ol D2(which is extremely boring to play nowadays) rewrapped.

Let's build the ultimate MMO 1 feature at a time
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

  User Deleted
8/07/11 11:01:17 PM#255
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by Revivial
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

I've bought some consoles for only 1 or 2 titles...  I guess you could say i spent hundreds of dollars on Mario.

 

Really?

You're comparing a console to a piece of polygon that someone can create in 2seconds...

Depends.  Is it the company selling to me directly, or am I paying another player?

  bartoni33

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8/07/11 11:02:41 PM#256
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by Revivial
Originally posted by bartoni33
Originally posted by Anzie
Originally posted by bartoni33

Wow you guys are throwing around alot of inflated numbers here! I can't see this making alot of money for Blizz. Maybe over time but still. They are only gonna get a few pennies for every few dollars that are paid in AH. It's not like you will be seeing $50+ items on the AH. This isn't a MMO we are talking about. Noone is that stupid to pay good money for items in a SP/COOP game. I can barely see it for MMOs.

It looks to me like they are just making sure that their customers don't get ripped off buying stuff from a site in Thailand or somesuch.

 

Is only a COOP game? Look at some people spending hundreds on TF2 and is only an Arcade FPS!

I doubt that the hundreds are spent on one item.

But yes spending hundreds on a F2P FPS is utterly absurd.

I've bought some consoles for only 1 or 2 titles...  I guess you could say i spent hundreds of dollars on Mario.

 

Really?

You're comparing a console to a piece of polygon that someone can create in 2seconds...

That's what I'm getting at.

I can see spending money on something tangible like a retro console. God knows I have a few dollars tied up in my computer. But hundreds on a game? That's just redonkulous!

EDIT: After looking around it looks like I was wrong. People do spend money on this stuff. Amazing. I retract my eariler statement.

But I still think it's an OK idea. I'm more pissed about the constant connection shite.

  aslan132

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Joined: 10/01/07
Posts: 288

8/07/11 11:23:19 PM#257

im gonna start by saying i do plan to play this, and my only interest in it is to try to make some real money. that being said, on general principle, i am totally against a RMAH, and actually against all RMT in games.


It used to be that once upon a time you paid for a game, and actually recieved the full game. Thats is almost never the case anymore. With the introduction of DLC, developers can release and charge for not-finished products, then release the rest of the content at a later date, and essentially 'double-dip' to charge for a game you already paid for once. This practice caught on in the industry, not because the players liked it, but because it made money.


This practice of double-dipping continued to grow and take new forms, with micro-transaction item malls, and this new iteration will most likely catch on with its inevitable success. Free to play games are popular with the game industry because the players like it. Its popular because it makes them TONS of cash they would otherwise need to release new content and market to make. In a subscription based system, you pay one flat rate and recieve all content. In a F2P setting, you dont pay initially, but your game experience is cut off at the knees so much that you are forced to pay, and yes they make way more than 15 a month from players. Dont believe me, ask yourself why a game that is failing with subscriptions suddenly turns a profit when it goes F2P. LOTR, AOC and many others have been saved from the grave by converting to free games. Why? Because they make more money that way and can now afford to stay alive.


So what does that have to do with RMAH. Simple, its going to work. Its going to make Blizz a ton of money, and in very short time, you will see dozens of games all pop up with the exact same system. Its not designed to curb farmers and bots, its designed to encourage them with the promise of taking thier 'cut' from them and calling it legal. Gamers are naive, even with articles like this one, the system will still work, with resounding success and many other companies will catch the bug. Mark my words, in less than 5 years this will be the normal practice for all future games.


  bartoni33

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Joined: 5/03/06
Posts: 1077

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8/07/11 11:32:33 PM#258
Originally posted by aslan132

im gonna start by saying i do plan to play this, and my only interest in it is to try to make some real money. that being said, on general principle, i am totally against a RMAH, and actually against all RMT in games.


It used to be that once upon a time you paid for a game, and actually recieved the full game. Thats is almost never the case anymore. With the introduction of DLC, developers can release and charge for not-finished products, then release the rest of the content at a later date, and essentially 'double-dip' to charge for a game you already paid for once. This practice caught on in the industry, not because the players liked it, but because it made money.


This practice of double-dipping continued to grow and take new forms, with micro-transaction item malls, and this new iteration will most likely catch on with its inevitable success. Free to play games are popular with the game industry because the players like it. Its popular because it makes them TONS of cash they would otherwise need to release new content and market to make. In a subscription based system, you pay one flat rate and recieve all content. In a F2P setting, you dont pay initially, but your game experience is cut off at the knees so much that you are forced to pay, and yes they make way more than 15 a month from players. Dont believe me, ask yourself why a game that is failing with subscriptions suddenly turns a profit when it goes F2P. LOTR, AOC and many others have been saved from the grave by converting to free games. Why? Because they make more money that way and can now afford to stay alive.


So what does that have to do with RMAH. Simple, its going to work. Its going to make Blizz a ton of money, and in very short time, you will see dozens of games all pop up with the exact same system. Its not designed to curb farmers and bots, its designed to encourage them with the promise of taking thier 'cut' from them and calling it legal. Gamers are naive, even with articles like this one, the system will still work, with resounding success and many other companies will catch the bug. Mark my words, in less than 5 years this will be the normal practice for all future games.

I hope to God you are wrong!

But you prolly will be right.

If Blizz does make a shit-ton of money off this (which I still can't believe will happen, but a sucker born and all that) the other companies might take heed and follow suit.

And your second paragraph made me jump up and yell HALLELUJAH BROTHER at the top of my lungs!

  Deathwing980

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Joined: 8/08/08
Posts: 80

8/08/11 12:43:36 AM#259

Whatever happened to good old days of pay once an get everything free after, it feels like all that was for old gamers like myself and many others before me have lost all hope in the industries...

 

children today want instant gratificiation and so they have to keep up with their demands and create less than par games and throw as many broken items into the game for them to purcahse to get an edge.... TF2, originally Team fortress was an excellent game, TF2 came about and i was happy for it... then items came into play and MONEY started taking over, it turned to shit in my eyes due to the pay to win concept, yes you can earn the items yourself but that is a time of 100 hours game play to get 1 item thats unique... literally i sat down and played for a week straight on friends server and basically once a week if you played constantly you would get an item.. which is bullshit

 

companies that want to constantly make money... ok i understand its a rough area since you have to look at the point of the designers (i am entering the field so i know more about it) they want to make the game great and awsome for the players, but the suits want to make the most money in the least amount of time possible so they turn the game that was originally a great concept into something once again that is SUB PAR of the original plan and throw in a Pay to WIN scheme for players out there to make the game bring in more money since players HATE LOSING so they WILL SPEND MONEY just to keep up with regular players..

 

it happens almost all the time now in all games, so whatever... what hope i had for games is dying, and i have a giant bill coming in at the end of my education to pay off, wonder where thats going to go if i decide to say fuck this industry and go back to stacking boxes onto trucks...

 

*sigh* like feels so sad right now... Blizzard has killed my hope in games, just because they are the GO TO model for every RTS, MMO, and Adventure game now a days.... much like HALO/GEARS are the games to follow for FPS's that involve HEALING over time instead of the genuine hard modes of not DYING and running for the medkit in the truck at the end of the world past 6 Barons of hell..

 

I foresee within the next two years, since thats average time for game development unless your going the extra AAA mile (which most places dont anymore) you will see all the games follow the concept of pay for content..

 

Steams got the bug for it now since Call of Duty has gone Pay to Play everything now, wish that didnt happen because i miss the old days of PC content being free... the days when Being a gamer meant something instead of being the person with the most money who can purchase the best shit and the extended limited edition body armor that gives you 2 more exclusive maps and weapons that no one can get unless they hack into the game files themselves and edit the registry...

 

but i should stop ranting.. its going to get me yelled and screamed at by all sorts of fans... i should just stay in my corner and sit there wiating for the industries to Revert back to the old days... alas that wil never happen

  TheCrow2k

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Joined: 10/19/09
Posts: 956

8/08/11 1:22:31 AM#260

It is a money grab dressed up as something noble. Ultimately it will see more botting going in diablo 2 and probably people investing time in hacking or exploiting the game & service to try and create or duplicate rares for sale.


If this works with the way things are headed its only a matter of time until CoD has a mechanic for earning/finding guns, gun addons & equipment ingame with CoD subscribers having access to something like this for selling items too while non subscribers would likely be limited to only buying or something equally greedy.


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