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  Latronus

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7/30/11 10:50:46 AM#21
Originally posted by vesavius

lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P

 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really?  WoW's models were outdated at launch, how's that pre-teen mindless POS game doing these days?  If graphics were that important, then it wouldn't have over 11 million subs now would it?  The reason for the simplified graphics is simple and I'll attempt to explain, no that would take too long, let me sum it up for you:

The low end graphics mean MORE COMPUTERS CAN RUN THE GAME, THEREFORE MORE PEOPLE CAN PLAY IT WITHOUT BUYING NEW COMPUTERS, WHICH HOPEFULLY LEADS TO MORE SUBSCRIPTIONS AND MORE MONEY FOR EA/BW!

Now was that so hard to figure out?  The model worked for Blizzard now BW hopes it will work for them too, and in this slumping economy where many can't afford to buy new computers, it may just work again... Time will tell.

  Vesavius

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7/30/11 10:51:05 AM#22
Originally posted by Yalexy

 


Originally posted by vesavius
lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you imagine how they would appear in 15 years :P


 

Graphics are not the main-reason for people to play games. Look at the still most succesful MMO that's WoW.

Gonna snip all that because it was pretty irrelevant to what I said.

And nothing you said actually contradicted the fact that the character models were 'basic', in fact you just really made numerous rationalisations for them rather then arguing a counter point.

It appears we agree.

So again, current graphics are good enough

yes, they are 'good enough' for today I guess. They are sub par imo to other older games (like CO as an example), but they are functional and do the job. No more no less.

I expected more then that though myself.

  Vesavius

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7/30/11 10:53:41 AM#23
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by vesavius

lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P

 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really? 

/snipped the rest due to it all seeming a bit... excitable

 

well.. no...

I made no 'argument' at all did I?

I just said the models look crude and outdated, and they do, to me. thats my opinion on them.

and they WOULD look awful in 15 years.

I have no idea why your getting so het up :/

  daemon

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7/30/11 11:04:42 AM#24

Originally posted by DarkPony



I think they would do well to add more pillars to their foundation instead of adding more of the same over the years. Instead of taking Blizzard as an example, who are just adding more of the same kind of content and throw in a new race or class now and then, they will hopefully take CCP's course of action by expanding in a much broader sense.


In SWTOR's case I'd love to see a vast, space-content expansion with stuff like free roaming, mining, asteroid outposts, space exploration, spaceship pvp, a wide choice of player ships and the option to fly and fight in a ship with a group of people (dedicated gunners, pilot, navigation officer, etc). That would really add something else to all the planetary based bipedal gameplay and has the possibility to link planetary destinations in a much more immersive, exploratory kind of way compared to cutscenes.



 


You should post this on the official game forums so there would be a chance that some DEVs there notice it and put some of those great ideas on the drawing board.


Personally I couldnt agree more with all of them.


  artemisentr4

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7/30/11 11:11:51 AM#25

You can add the 500 planets to the Big Wall of Crazy at BW.

 

I don't doubt they have a plan to move the game forword in the future. But 15 years and 500 planets heard by anyone with a brain knew that he was trying to be funny. Taking a quote made in jest to spark depate about how a not released yet game will expand in 15 years is a bit strange to me. But I guess there isn't much more to talk about until the next big info release from BW.

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  VorpalCheese

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7/30/11 11:21:20 AM#26

Why do these article writers continue to be so dense? How can you be so out of touch with this game? It's like you guys just stopped trying to actually be professional.  If you'd done even one iota of fact checking, you would realize just how much fail is inherent in your article.  Stop embarrassing yourselves and do yourselves the favor of actually researching this game before you start selling inaccurate and misleading information to the masses.  For shame.


  someforumguy

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7/30/11 11:37:25 AM#27

Originally posted by Eladi



Sir you are jesting us, You hype the game jest and its already done discussion on your own forums to hype your site whit jesty articles that do not even are current anymore or have a trendy announcement of announcements.




Bad bad reporter. *points to corner and silly hat* shoo.



 


I was going to write something like this too, but you did it funnier :)


  Ozmodan

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7/30/11 11:38:25 AM#28
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by vesavius

lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P

 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really? 

/snipped the rest due to it all seeming a bit... excitable

 

well.. no...

I made no 'argument' at all did I?

I just said the models look crude and outdated, and they do, to me. thats my opinion on them.

and they WOULD look awful in 15 years.

I have no idea why your getting so het up :/

Well the point is that graphics are not a big deal when it comes to MMO's.  Content and story will always win out.  So basically your comment is meaningless and they were just pointing that out.  

If you look at any game that has stretched the graphics boundaries at launch, there have been no success stories. 

  someforumguy

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7/30/11 11:40:44 AM#29

Of course the 15year plan is bollocks. But even if they did plan 15 years. Then you still have Lucas Arts that pulls the license long before that because they found a shinier SW MMO to give it to.

  User Deleted
7/30/11 12:13:46 PM#30

Originally posted by WhySoShort



I don't see SW:TOR being around even ten years from now, just because it isn't innovative enough. It will die at the same time that WoW and EQ2 die, and that age of online gaming passes. 



 


you dont know that dont you everquest 2 has been around for along time . i think bioware has that we dont know anything so before you say this will die that will die anything dies. wait and see dont judge .


  cyress8

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7/30/11 12:25:30 PM#31


Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by vesavius

Originally posted by Latronus

Originally posted by vesavius lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P
 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really?  /snipped the rest due to it all seeming a bit... excitable
  well.. no... I made no 'argument' at all did I? I just said the models look crude and outdated, and they do, to me. thats my opinion on them. and they WOULD look awful in 15 years. I have no idea why your getting so het up :/
Well the point is that graphics are not a big deal when it comes to MMO's.  Content and story will always win out.  So basically your comment is meaningless and they were just pointing that out.   If you look at any game that has stretched the graphics boundaries at launch, there have been no success stories.   

The same can also be said about the gameplay. It also looks dated. It is not just the graphics.

BOOYAKA!

  Saerain

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7/30/11 12:28:41 PM#32

Ultima Online is going to be 15, next year. Just saying.


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  Lord.Bachus

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7/30/11 12:30:22 PM#33
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by vesavius
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by vesavius

lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P

 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really? 

/snipped the rest due to it all seeming a bit... excitable

 

well.. no...

I made no 'argument' at all did I?

I just said the models look crude and outdated, and they do, to me. thats my opinion on them.

and they WOULD look awful in 15 years.

I have no idea why your getting so het up :/

Well the point is that graphics are not a big deal when it comes to MMO's.  Content and story will always win out.  So basically your comment is meaningless and they were just pointing that out.  

If you look at any game that has stretched the graphics boundaries at launch, there have been no success stories. 

 

Thats why MMO's in general choose for a more cartoonish style, .... longlevity of the engine... The so much complained over cartoonish style graphics is there so the game will still look acceptable in like 12 years.

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  BigAndShiny

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7/30/11 12:33:02 PM#34

If SW:TOR's graphics were great for today and cartoony, then it could look ok in 15 years maybe.  

But it's average at best today, in 15 years it will look terrible.

  BlahTeeb

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7/30/11 12:46:29 PM#35

Not to sound dim, but I don't think any of these newer MMO's will be big in 15 years. Runescape has crap graphics, but no one really cares, because it isn't a "mainstream" game.

  Leoghan

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7/30/11 12:49:31 PM#36

If you watch the video and listen to the context of the comment it is clear that is said tongue in cheek. I'm sure they would love the game to last that long and have even some inkling of what they would do with the game if it did, but the comment didn't sound like they had every inch of the 15 year road mapped out or that they have plans to do so. 

  tshack88

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7/30/11 12:52:21 PM#37

Originally posted by cyress8

 





Originally posted by Ozmodan



Originally posted by vesavius



Originally posted by Latronus



Originally posted by vesavius lol the game's models look crude and dated now, can you ima:gine how they would appear in 15 years :P



 This same ignorant arguement again?  Really?  /snipped the rest due to it all seeming a bit... excitable



  well.. no... I made no 'argument' at all did I? I just said the models look crude and outdated, and they do, to me. thats my opinion on them. and they WOULD look awful in 15 years. I have no idea why your getting so het up :/



Well the point is that graphics are not a big deal when it comes to MMO's.  Content and story will always win out.  So basically your comment is meaningless and they were just pointing that out.   If you look at any game that has stretched the graphics boundaries at launch, there have been no success stories.   





The same can also be said about the gameplay. It also looks dated. It is not just the graphics.

 



I kind of agree.  It looks like the same ol spam your skills until your enemy dies while you both just stand there attacking.  No positioning, no aiming, absolutely nothing new in combat.  I would really like them to show something outside of the missions and combat, like interacting with companions and the missions they are sent on for example.  Anything would be better than watching this boring combat videos.

  ThomasN7

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7/30/11 12:58:54 PM#38
Originally posted by WhySoShort

I don't see SW:TOR being around even ten years from now, just because it isn't innovative enough. It will die at the same time that WoW and EQ2 die, and that age of online gaming passes. 

 That is what they said about WoW too. just saying....

  User Deleted
7/30/11 1:14:52 PM#39

I could see it going for 15 years who would of thought 15 years ago EQ would still be going and pretty strong for a game that old.  (some will say EQ is only 12 years old they would be wrong development started almost 16 years ago).


  fansede

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7/30/11 1:30:30 PM#40

I think in 15 years MMO games are going to have to figure out how to be playable on tablets and phones because I think desktops are going the way of the dinosaur. Only public schools , government and 3rd world countries will still have them


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