Originally posted by EndDream

I can't comprehend playing an MMO with no population regardless of how good it is. Whats the point?

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by EndDream

I can't comprehend playing an MMO with no population regardless of how good it is. Whats the point?

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

If you are happy more power to you.

Originally posted by EndDream

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by EndDream

I can't comprehend playing an MMO with no population regardless of how good it is. Whats the point?

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

If you are happy more power to you.

well, I suppose I am.

but you know, if people want help in Vanguard then I'm there. I can schedule time to help people out.

the offer is there and I check this site every day.

also LOTRO.

Originally posted by EndDream

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by EndDream

I can't comprehend playing an MMO with no population regardless of how good it is. Whats the point?

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

If you are happy more power to you.

 Think End Dream is a little jealous ;)

I kinda love it when people try to defend games with a low population like Vanguard.  People are like, "Oh, Vanguard's low population is NOT an issue.  in fact, I've been seeing more and more people log in every day, and I never have trouble finding groups.  You just have to use the player search feature.  Look up some players, ask them if they need help with something and become friends with them.  Maybe a week from now, you guys can be best friends and you can finally run that dungeon you've been wanting to check out.  See, no problem at all!"

Sorry, that's just stupid considering I can just log into WoW, hit "i" then do barrel rolls above Stormwind for 20 minutes before automatically being placed into a full group.  I like Vanguard better than WoW, but it's due to WoW's heavy population, it's far easier to do what you want immediately and to have fun in Blizzard's game.  Of course, regular content updates help too.

EQ1 Cause the only reason i left after going back so many times, Is that there's no one left playing!! I mean yeah soloing is good when you wanna do it, but to have to do it is another story. Players do make the game what it is or great. I agree with one of the post i saw if i wanted to play a game by myself i would play single player games.

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

    Im just quoting this part because I am not going back over all the lame posts you made. I just really have to  say as an outside voice in this thread , this is  coming from a free thinker , yes, yes I am truly a free thinker . You really do come across as simpleton trying really hard to sound prophetic and wise . I just gotta say wow, my eyes are bleeding trying to read through your useless garbage .

      People will play or not , whatever thier reason.  If they want to group with alot of people then they will play more populated games . If they dont care they will choose whatever game they want to play. 

I for one would be playing fallen earth  and or Vanguard myself  ( on a regular basis).

    For the record I like grouping with alot of different people to challenge my skill level . I enjoy meeting new people in game , its great its why I play mmos and not rpgs . If a game was truly great and to my utmost fancy I would play it population or not However I would probably play it part time as I do with the above mentioned games neither of which I am subbed to atm .

Originally posted by SuperXero89

I kinda love it when people try to defend games with a low population like Vanguard.  People are like, "Oh, Vanguard's low population is NOT an issue.  in fact, I've been seeing more and more people log in every day, and I never have trouble finding groups.  You just have to use the player search feature.  Look up some players, ask them if they need help with something and become friends with them.  Maybe a week from now, you guys can be best friends and you can finally run that dungeon you've been wanting to check out.  See, no problem at all!"

Sorry, that's just stupid considering I can just log into WoW, hit "i" then do barrel rolls above Stormwind for 20 minutes before automatically being placed into a full group.  I like Vanguard better than WoW, but it's due to WoW's heavy population, it's far easier to do what you want immediately and to have fun in Blizzard's game.  Of course, regular content updates help too.

I would say Vanguard's population is an issue.

As has been shown, most people want to get into the game, get into group quickly and "have at it".

I get that.

And that is why Vanguard has issues. lol, well, "that is one reason why vanguard has issues".

But its issues don't bother me. And, if more players who are not bothered by its issues play then eventually it will attract more players.

Though truth be told, even with Sony's admission that they are going to give it two updates the game is still going to have a low population.

look I played wow. I started the very first day the servers opened. My character is somewhere in the mid 30's. I just can't stay with the game, population or no population.

I find the game play fun for very short stints and then I lose interest. Yet for me, in Vanguard for instance (or lotro at this moment - I'm resting... oops and now killed because I'm writing posts) I can just set out and explore and lose a few hours just messing around. It's fun for me. And I do help new players get off the island. that's also kind of fun.

Originally posted by theedge767

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Well, my position is that if there are people who dont' mind a small population (me) but are willing to help others AND if there are more people like that then evenutally people will join the game, meet good people who are willing to help and be there for them and then more and more people will join and build on that community.

It's not for everyone but I think it's a valid way to play and help build community.

    Im just quoting this part because I am not going back over all the lame posts you made. I just really have to  say as an outside voice in this thread , this is  coming from a free thinker , yes, yes I am truly a free thinker . You really do come across as simpleton trying really hard to sound prophetic and wise . I just gotta say wow, my eyes are bleeding trying to read through your useless garbage .

      People will play or not , whatever thier reason.  If they want to group with alot of people then they will play more populated games . If they dont care they will choose whatever game they want to play. 

 

I for one would be playing fallen earth  and or Vanguard myself  ( on a regular basis).

    For the record I like grouping with alot of different people to challenge my skill level . I enjoy meeting new people in game , its great its why I play mmos and not rpgs . If a game was truly great and to my utmost fancy I would play it population or not However I would probably play it part time as I do with the above mentioned games neither of which I am subbed to atm .

Hey if you don't find value in the post then that's your prerogative. I meant it. You don't believe it or find it comes from "a simpleton" then that's "your opinion".

Its interesting reading this thread as i too would have loved Vanguard to be a success.

The crafting was engaging, the diplomacy card game thing was a nice addition to the game, even if it got boring after a while. Its a shame it was so buggy, and its very rare that I return to an MMO once the sub has been cancelled.

What games would I actually return to..

My first ever MMO - UO, loved that game, played in '98 on a dial up modem, and boy did my computer struggle with it but it didnt matter cos it was a graphical online game (compared to the text based ones i had played since about '96). I think if they ever did a new UO sticking to the core sandbox features that the original did so well, it would be a massive hit.

DAoC - my first 3D MMO, made by Mythic Entertainment, who's text based games i had been playing since '96 (Dragon's Gate and Darkness Falls for those who care). Had the best PvP going, and really made me love it (compared to UO where i always ran like heck from the red PKers). Stopped playing around ToA time..

Wish - never got out of closed Beta - a MASSIVE shame. For those who have never even heard the name, it was (like EVE) a single shard MMO. It was ALL about live content. Mobs didnt just respawn in the same spot continually forever.. Merchants ran out of gold if too many people sold stuff to them without anyone buying anything. There was an in game newspaper written by GMs featuring real players, and what happened in the world the day before. There was a moving warfront in the north of the map, like a rift of sorts which lead to the underworld (exact lore escapes me) but the creatures would come out, and occupy villages and push the players back etc.. and players had to group up to drive them backwards. Anyway.. for me that was the MMO with the most potential ever.

For now, I think ill stick to EVE and see how SW:TOR turns out and get that a few months after launch if all is going well.

Gareth / Morgal

Mebbe Asherons Call, but i am not so sure. THere is a reason i stopped playing the games i played, so not sure it would really be worth investing time in again.

SWG-PreCU.

Out of boredom I tallied every vote up (including multiples).  Percentages are rough.

Vanguard - 33 (47.2%)
Dark Age of Camelot - 5 (7.1%)
Asherons Call - 4 (5.7%)
Shadowbane - 3 (4.3%)
Ultima Online - 3 (4.3%)
Lineage 2 - 2 (2.8%)
PlanetSide - 2 (2.8%)
EverQuest 1 - 2 (2.8%)
Star Wars Galaxies - 2 (2.8%)
Horizons - 1 (1.4%)
Rose Online - 1 (1.4%)
Ragnarok Online - 1 (1.4%)
Champions Online - 1 (1.4%)
Final Fantasy XI - 1 (1.4%)
Anarchy Online - 1 (1.4%)
Ryzom - 1 (1.4%)
Necron - 1 (1.4%)
Alganon - 1 (1.4%)
Vendetta Online - 1 (1.4%)
Ashen Empires - 1 (1.4%)
Istaria - 1 (1.4%)
Fallen Earth - 1(1.4%)
Pirates of the Burning Sea - 1 (1.4%)

Total Votes - 70

Daoc is alive as well , and im not talking about live servers lol , Those of you who are smart will know what i mean. 

Id vote for Vanguard if it had anyform of Mass PVP/RVR , but it doesnt that is why SOE just scrapped it and moved on pretty much , they didnt want to devote the time and effort to expand it plus vanguard was alittle guady and overwhelming for the WOW generation so it will probably stay dead. 

and who the hell voted for Horizons?!?!?!?

we must find this person and show them the way of real MMOs and quality products , not half assed , 10 years behind junk that for some reason is still around even though there are so many other games out there that are just far and beyond this game...

I'd be playing Jumpgate if more than five people were logged in concurrently. Seriously, last I checked a couple of years back, you could count the number of players online on one hand.

chalk in another vote for vanguard. too bad sony doesnt really ever listen to the player base.. ever.

Of those that are still live but with low pop, Vanguard without a doubt. 

That's the sad thing about MMOs, once they go into a spiral of decline pop-wise, they're no fun to play (unless you're just with a group of friends).  Part of the fun of playing an MMO is to see other people playing so that the world feels alive.

Another shout for Vanguard.

Vanguard