Originally posted by Zhenocnra

I don't really care how detailed the "physics" are for breast rendering. Like you said, fair is fair so, either way, the same physics should be used for both genders regardless if the male player population wants to see it for not. Most women realize they can work with what they got. That doesn't mean the people attracted to males don't get their eye candy too just because the males themselves don't want to step into a locker room.

As far as I'm concerned, regardless of freedom of motion for either gender and their body parts, there's always motion down there (as I've already said more than once). Everyone realizes movement of such body parts depends on the clothing or armor and the type of material. Snug or not, I'm pretty sure the money from the women or men playing, who want to see jiggling crotches or bulges, should outweight the homophobia or uncomfortableness of men who don't want to display their "junk" in high definition. If they want breasts that move and jiggle like in real life, it only makes sense to apply the same to the opposite gender as to attract more customers.

No matter how many times you're going to call me homophobic (Thanks for the personal attacks by the way), I still maintain that breast jiggle (Especially considering the outfits they stick a lot of the females in in MMORPGs) is far more noticable than crotch jiggle.  Even blinking is far more noticable than crotch jiggle.  BREATHING is more noticable than crotch jiggle.  You can totally watch people's chests rise and fall pretty easily.

Sorry, it just is.  I know some people have these elaborate fantasies where men's crotches are just bouncing around like crazy, practically exploding out of their pants, and the first thing everybody notices when they see a guy is 'Oh my god, did you see the way that guy's package moves?', but... no.  That's not really the way it works.  Anybody who tells you they're so big that everybody's first thought when they enter a room is his crotch physics... is lying.

Sorry to destroy any fantasies about the amazingly huge guys who are so noticable. :(

On a slightly related note, you should probably play Blade & Soul, because the men are as scantily clad as the women at times.  Also, I'm pretty sure there's some crotch bulge going on there.  Also, male nipples.

(I will be the first to argue that more games need to bother to give male avatar choices that are halfway as attractive as the female avatar choices... ... and that if there's a monstrous male, that it's silly to have eyecandy females of the same species... but I just can't bring it in my heart to say that jiggling crotches are the way to sexual equality)

Does that also mean bottom and belly physics?

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

Originally posted by DanMcC

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

Only if the same physics applies to male body parts and male sexual organs for our fair share of eye candy.

But we usually wear protective cups in battle.

Keyword: Usually.

And so? There's still movement everywhere seen on the male body when an adult male jogs, walks, or runs. That includes the crotch area with greater movement depending on what the male is wearing and what kind of material it is.

Rofl that makes no sense at all. If you see movement in the crotch its the fabric of the pants or shorts that moves, not because what it packages. You maybe think it does, but it normally isnt.

Of course there might be men who like to show their package jiggle in their shorts without getting arrested and also tend to have this hobby that involves wearing a raincoat when its not so warm outside.

While boobs on the other hand tend to jiggle even when covered in the strongest sports bra. If they are large enough of course :p

Jiggly crotch animations are to be the main focus of developers. I need at least 76 degrees of sway in there for me to feel comforable. 

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Jiggly crotch animations are to be the main focus of developers. I need at least 76 degrees of sway in there for me to feel comforable. 

Maybe some dev already did this secretly as hobby project, but you cant see it because the charactercreator doesnt let you remove the toon's pants :)

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

Originally posted by SwampRob

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

If it doesn't create lag, then I want it. If it creates lag, then I don't want it. Lag sucks.

Originally posted by SwampRob

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

Pretty much "this".

Originally posted by someforumguy

Does that also mean bottom and belly physics?

 I think that this guy would be upset without bottom physics:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SirMixALot

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by SwampRob

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

Pretty much "this".

 All females in MMORPGs wear sports bras, real enough for you :)?

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

I don't really care how detailed the "physics" are for breast rendering. Like you said, fair is fair so, either way, the same physics should be used for both genders regardless if the male player population wants to see it for not. Most women realize they can work with what they got. That doesn't mean the people attracted to males don't get their eye candy too just because the males themselves don't want to step into a locker room.

As far as I'm concerned, regardless of freedom of motion for either gender and their body parts, there's always motion down there (as I've already said more than once). Everyone realizes movement of such body parts depends on the clothing or armor and the type of material. Snug or not, I'm pretty sure the money from the women or men playing, who want to see jiggling crotches or bulges, should outweight the homophobia or uncomfortableness of men who don't want to display their "junk" in high definition. If they want breasts that move and jiggle like in real life, it only makes sense to apply the same to the opposite gender as to attract more customers.

No matter how many times you're going to call me homophobic (Thanks for the personal attacks by the way), I still maintain that breast jiggle (Especially considering the outfits they stick a lot of the females in in MMORPGs) is far more noticable than crotch jiggle.  Even blinking is far more noticable than crotch jiggle.  BREATHING is more noticable than crotch jiggle.  You can totally watch people's chests rise and fall pretty easily.

Sorry, it just is.  I know some people have these elaborate fantasies where men's crotches are just bouncing around like crazy, practically exploding out of their pants, and the first thing everybody notices when they see a guy is 'Oh my god, did you see the way that guy's package moves?', but... no.  That's not really the way it works.  Anybody who tells you they're so big that everybody's first thought when they enter a room is his crotch physics... is lying.

Sorry to destroy any fantasies about the amazingly huge guys who are so noticable. :(

On a slightly related note, you should probably play Blade & Soul, because the men are as scantily clad as the women at times.  Also, I'm pretty sure there's some crotch bulge going on there.  Also, male nipples.

(I will be the first to argue that more games need to bother to give male avatar choices that are halfway as attractive as the female avatar choices... ... and that if there's a monstrous male, that it's silly to have eyecandy females of the same species... but I just can't bring it in my heart to say that jiggling crotches are the way to sexual equality)

 If jiggling dudes use the same kind of "engine" that they use for breast physics, then it's going to look like every male character just dropped a serious load in their pants.

Originally posted by Meowhead

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

I don't really care how detailed the "physics" are for breast rendering. Like you said, fair is fair so, either way, the same physics should be used for both genders regardless if the male player population wants to see it for not. Most women realize they can work with what they got. That doesn't mean the people attracted to males don't get their eye candy too just because the males themselves don't want to step into a locker room.

As far as I'm concerned, regardless of freedom of motion for either gender and their body parts, there's always motion down there (as I've already said more than once). Everyone realizes movement of such body parts depends on the clothing or armor and the type of material. Snug or not, I'm pretty sure the money from the women or men playing, who want to see jiggling crotches or bulges, should outweight the homophobia or uncomfortableness of men who don't want to display their "junk" in high definition. If they want breasts that move and jiggle like in real life, it only makes sense to apply the same to the opposite gender as to attract more customers.

No matter how many times you're going to call me homophobic

I'll stop you right there since obviously you're getting defensive over a personal attack you assumed was aimed at you. Please feel free to show me where I said "Meowhead is a homophobe" in my previous posts.

And on that note, anyone else want to speak up in defense of their pride because they're assuming I'm talking to them when I clearly never called anyone specifically a homophobe?

L O L

Originally posted by xKingdomx

 

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

Originally posted by CalmOceans

People who are replying to this thread and actually discuss this scare me. I mean really, are you really discussing breast physics, what is next penis physics?

Actually the next thing people want to discuss are butt physics because all of the homophobic teenage boys here don't want to face the facts of growing into a man. We've already discussed penile physics since there's obviously a bias in this thread as to what body part should have physics applied to them.
In response to other people saying people shouldn't compare breasts to penises, go suck it. Men have penises, women have breasts, facts of life kiddos. Just because you can't watch straight porn without gagging when seeing the guy doesn't mean MMORPG's shouldn't be fair to both genders. MMORPG's aren't your lesbian porn. ;D

Well I still think you should compare boobs to man's chest, not their penises. And I just realise, did you just created the forum account to talk about boob physics? Now whos the weirdo :P
 

i'd recommend they spend some time outdoors and find girlfriends

do not start the girlfriend war, you will not win 

PS: to people who cant take a joke and have to take this seriously, you should be the ones to go outdoors :)

Aww, you couldn't take a joke? Talk about irony. I was only calling you out on your exaggeration and now you're going all defensive.

You're kind of slow in the head if you just realized that huh? Oh well, it's not like there's a contest going on featured on this website that requires people to login in order to enter the contest. But it's a possibility if you're not retarded like you and noticed the front page advertising such a contest.

P.S. People, it's post script, not PS. It's P.S.

Just kidding! :D

Originally posted by SwampRob

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

I'm surprised someone actually noticed this compared to the people going "eww no male crotch stuff; only boobies!" LOL! I agree, uniform and consistant all the way through regardless if they're fit or obese, male or female.

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

Originally posted by SwampRob

For me, it's not about boob physics, it's about consistant physics.   If the animation of a body is moving in a realistic way except for one part, then that part will be noticed as being ...wrong somehow.    So, boob physics should be as realistic as any other part of that particular animation is.

I'm surprised someone actually noticed this compared to the people going "eww no male crotch stuff; only boobies!" LOL! I agree, uniform and consistant all the way through regardless if they're fit or obese, male or female.

I just don't see any jiggle in male crotches. A woman with large breasts and a low cut dress, it's like jello.

A guy  jogging, I don't see discernible movement.

I'm not like "ewwww" I'm like, that's not realistic. Or maybe I'm wrong. Post a youtube video or something that shows what you're talking about. 

Here's a woman with melons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEe46VmpXLw&feature=related

It's much more noticeable in movie CGI, but the point is the same.   Watch a CGI generated human face; the programming can be 99% real-looking but your eyes will quickly be drawn to that 1% that is wrong, maybe it's a curl of the lip, or an eyelash movement.   Like any human, you've spent your life looking at others faces and (at least subconciously) have a very good idea of how they move.

It's not quite as obvious in computer games, becomes most don't try for an ultra-realistic look.     If someone with long hair were running, and their muscles/boobs/body parts were moving appropriately to the action but the hair was still, you'd notice that.   So you'll only tend to notice was seems wrong.

as long as the boobs are big and they jiggle even when you character stands still you can rate it as a top A mmorpg

Originally posted by CookieTime

Yes!

 Thank you.  I had to go through the thread twice to find it, I couldn't believe that nobody would have posted that.

Originally posted by Zhenocnra

I'll stop you right there since obviously you're getting defensive over a personal attack you assumed was aimed at you. Please feel free to show me where I said "Meowhead is a homophobe" in my previous posts.

And on that note, anyone else want to speak up in defense of their pride because they're assuming I'm talking to them when I clearly never called anyone specifically a homophobe?

 

L O L

You're painting people who disagree with you as homophobic.

I'm cheerily disagreeing with you.  A lot.

'People who don't want crotch physics are homophobes' is pretty much one of the standard pillars of your argument.

You've used it in more than one post.  If you'd like, I can quote all the times you've conflated disagreeing with you and crotch jiggle with homophobia.

It's a ridiculous argument.  I just though I'd cheerily throw myself in the way of it, because I'm HEROIC that way.  It's really unattractive for somebody to be arguing and keep in dropping in insults involving the thought processes of those who disagree with them.  So how about you stop insinuating things and we just argue the merits of crotch jiggle on its own without homophobia being an issue?

I personally don't give a shit, though I will say proper physics in general are nice to have in an MMO.  So long as game-play is fun the MMO is a winner.