I like how Vato can't actually hold his own in any conversation so now his new tactic is "got proof?  Sources?  LINKS??"  It's literally the only posts he ever makes.  He's like our little forum retard running around nipping at the ankles of the adults.

Originally posted by C-B-M

I like how Vato can't actually hold his own in any conversation so now his new tactic is "got proof?  Sources?  LINKS??"  It's literally the only posts he ever makes.  He's like our little forum retard running around nipping at the ankles of the adults.

I see.  So, you take everything at word then.  Just like a good, little, gullible dumbass.

Oh, and, where's the proof.  Oh, wait, there is none.  Figures that you would be making stuff up.

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Nice try, but when I'm preserving life, you can hardly say "less government!" just because YOU want abortion.  I guess I have to allow any murder or else I'm "pro big government."  In fact, "less government!" would mean that people could decide to allow or ban abortion, but that doesn't suit you so you demand MORE government -- to mandate abortion -- and then state that any challenge to that constitutes "more government."  By that logic, we should pass mandated prayer in schools and then anyone who disagrees we'll just go "oh, you want government intrusion??  IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?"

Originally posted by C-B-M

Nice try, but when I'm preserving life, you can hardly say "less government!" just because YOU want abortion.  I guess I have to allow any murder or else I'm "pro big government."  In fact, "less government!" would mean that people could decide to allow or ban abortion, but that doesn't suit you so you demand MORE government -- to mandate abortion -- and then state that any challenge to that constitutes "more government."  By that logic, we should pass mandated prayer in schools and then anyone who disagrees we'll just go "oh, you want government intrusion??  IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?"

Talk about some extremely piss poor logic right there.  Seriously, they should fire everyone of the teachers that ever taught you.  Because, they epicly failed to teach you anything.

FACT:  Having the government ban abortion is giving the government more power.  Giving the government more power = "More government."

To paraphrase the Geico catchphrase, "It's so easy a Caveman could understand it."  Apparently you are below a caveman in intellectual understanding, Conservative-Based-Moroff.

Hey, here's an idea...let's try suspected terrorists in civilian court.  After the Casey Anthony trial, my faith has been renewed in civilian justice.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Hey, here's an idea...let's try suspected terrorists in civilian court.  After the Casey Anthony trial, my faith has been renewed in civilian justice.

Ouch. 

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

Prove that the fetus has a soul.  Or that the fetus is thinking on its own.  Till then, you have no backing to make that claim.

Prove that you have a soul. Or that you think upon your own.

I will be awaiting documentation...

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

Originally posted by C-B-M

If the woman didn't want to have a baby, she could just not have a baby.  I mean, unless she's a fucking retard like you.  In that case, I can sort of see your point.

Originally posted by C-B-M

I like how Vato can't actually hold his own in any conversation so now his new tactic is "got proof?  Sources?  LINKS??"  It's literally the only posts he ever makes.  He's like our little forum retard running around nipping at the ankles of the adults.

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

Prove that the fetus has a soul.  Or that the fetus is thinking on its own.  Till then, you have no backing to make that claim.

Prove that you have a soul. Or that you think upon your own.

I will be awaiting documentation...

Simple.  Self-Awareness, or the wanting to understand oneself beyond basic instincts.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by C-B-M

If the woman didn't want to have a baby, she could just not have a baby.  I mean, unless she's a fucking retard like you.  In that case, I can sort of see your point.

 

In other words when a woman is raped by say a teenage jock and his friends its her fault as she was ' Asking for it'. Was that the excuse you could see yourself using if you raped a women? Now lets see how you respond, do you use good logic or do you do what you usually do hmm!

Oh, no, Conservative-Based-Moroff doesn't consider rape an issue.  Because, well, he's a dumbass.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

Prove that the fetus has a soul.  Or that the fetus is thinking on its own.  Till then, you have no backing to make that claim.

Prove that you have a soul. Or that you think upon your own.

I will be awaiting documentation...

Simple.  Self-Awareness, or the wanting to understand oneself beyond basic instincts.

But see. That doesn't prove it to me. You can prove it to yourself. Just as I can prove the same to myself. But there's no empirical proof of such a thing.

So the logical fallacy falls in the fact that you leave the burden of proof upon the fetus. Something that can not show you proof, as well you cannot show me proof of your own.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

As apposed to how you post with generalisations, faulty logic and the assumption that you dont need to provide supporting info via a link or two ( i wont say provide proof via links as that is something that can never be done as there will always be some disagreement with emotive subjects like this ). Oh and on abortion i really only support it when the mothers life is threatened, rape babys should live as the rape was not the babys fault, and the baby can always be adopted if the mother doesant want it.

Your contentions are irrelevant.  People who say that generalizations are false are a) themselves generalizing and b) stupid, since they like to use the lone exception to "disprove" the overwhelming remainder of the generality.  As to the claim of "faulty logic," if you wish to demonstrate my faulty logic then go ahead.  Instead, all you do is vaguely say "you use faulty logic and that's all I'm going to say."  That's about as good an argument as if I just say "YOU'RE WRONG!  HA HA!" and leave it at that.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by C-B-M

If the woman didn't want to have a baby, she could just not have a baby.  I mean, unless she's a fucking retard like you.  In that case, I can sort of see your point.

 

In other words when a woman is raped by say a teenage jock and his friends its her fault as she was ' Asking for it'. Was that the excuse you could see yourself using if you raped a women? Now lets see how you respond, do you use good logic or do you do what you usually do hmm!

Oh, what do I "usually do"?  Also, your question is specious, since your contention is that unless I am for abortion then I believe that women who are raped want to be raped.  Not only is that a non-sequiter, it doesn't even follow.  That coming from a guy who claims I use "faulty logic."  Congratulations.  Oh, and not only that, but you also are opposed to abortions in the case of rape, so you're not even being consistent with your own beliefs.  Instead, all you're attempting (and failing) to do is to get into an argument with me JUST TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT.  That's pretty retarded.

If my wife or daughter is raped and becomes pregnant, hell yeah they're getting an abortion, which they would.  Who's ANYONE to tell them they have to have a child that was never meant to be and will carry on the DNA from someone so vile.    This isn't a case of a couple not using a condom.  Its RAPE.  You abort it immediately before it really becomes anything representing a life.  At that stage, just a few cells jammed together, its no more a living thing than a tumor or virus.  If its rape, its about the same thing.

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Finwe

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by C-B-M

Originally posted by Vato26

Rape baby...... ohh, your argument went up in flames.

Ha ha ha.  Look, Vato realized how retarded his argument was, so he immediately did the usual liberal thing and said "rape!"  Because we ALL know that rape babies are the reason 99.9% of women have abortions.  LOLZER.

I bet his mom smoked when she was pregnant.

Yet, you are generalizing on all pregnancy cases.  Thus, my point still stands and still destroys your Ultra-Conservative's grasp of taking away a woman's right to their own body.

They're infringing on another human beings right when they choose to abort.

 

So you have to choose.

I choose the woman's right to privacy over the rights of the fetus, in reasonable circumstances. FOr me, reasonable would be what was historically allowed during the founding of the US, abortion before the "quickening".

Also agree that christian conservatives and those on the far rights are hypocrites when it comes to supporting less government, and freedom;

Less government!

Unless it's about controlling a woman's body, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about the drug war, then we want MORE government!

Less government!

Unless it's about teaching Creationism in schools, then we want MORE government!

Ok. Quit trolling the christian right and stay on subject for one damn minute. It's obnoxious.

To the point of what is on hand.

There's a say, your freedom ends, where my nose begins. For you to choose the "Privacy" A.K.A. Convenience of women who do not understand responsibility, over the life of a human being, is despicable, and is the beginning to an anarchist societ when morality is flipped upside down.

A woman's right to choose is HER RESPONSIBLITY not yours.

It's her womb, not yours.

You can do whatever you want with YOUR womb.

Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. I don't see how it started any anarchist society.

Responsibility

I don't see anything in there that gives you the right to control a womans womb. Its being responsible morally or legally. It's LEGAL to have an abortion.

And people have to be responsible to THEIR  morals, not YOURS.

Making people responsible for YOUR morals?

Well, move to Iran. That's what they do with Sharia Law.

Abortion is illegal in Iran.

Maybe you'll like it there.

That's the problem with your position.  Your idea of "responsibility" is limited to "she's responsible for deciding whether she wants an abortion or not."  Her responsibility in preventing pregnancy if she doesn't want to be become pregnant is completely incomprehensible to you.  That's why there's never going to be a "compromise" on abortion.  People like you don't recognize the responsibility of the woman BEFORE she becomes pregnant.  She can do anything she wants and then now that she's pregnant you're like "ok, let's be adults and sit down and decide whether we want to abort the baby."

Originally posted by C-B-M

That's the problem with your position.  Your idea of "responsibility" is limited to "she's responsible for deciding whether she wants an abortion or not."  Her responsibility in preventing pregnancy if she doesn't want to be become pregnant is completely incomprehensible to you.  That's why there's never going to be a "compromise" on abortion.  People like you don't recognize the responsibility of the woman BEFORE she becomes pregnant.  She can do anything she wants and then now that she's pregnant you're like "ok, let's be adults and sit down and decide whether we want to abort the baby."

So, rape is her fault?  Yeah, your statement was just eradicated.

This statement fits better for people such as yourself, "People like you use stupid arguments in an attempt to mask your wants to control what a woman does with their own body."  You and your ilk are the exact reason why there will never be a compromise for both of the sides.