Perhaps this may be a good opportunity for me to ask my grandparents to purchase the development license for SWG. The real problem is finding an experienced development team willing to revive it and make it a better sandbox.

Is there a Petition to stop this Petition?

I'm with Joe.

Give it up, lads!

Let the old girl die with whatever dignity she has left.

Originally posted by joseph567

Is there a Petition to stop this Petition?

 I would sign a petition to have people ignore the petition.  Good idea!

SWG died a long time ago when they sacrificed a game that was groundbreaking and unique for what they thought was the more popular watered down MMO choice.

Smedly is a tool; a true douche.  I cant believe anyone would hire him based on his obissmal business decisions.

He and his band of moneygrubbers never cared about what was right for Star Wars fans or Sandbox MMO fans, so they ruined what was IMHO the best MMO ever created, and pure pride wouldnt let them roll it back.

Petition for what?...to save a subscription game that has spent ten years trying be as good as it used to be without being what it used to be?  Heck the new game plays worse than most F2P games now days...No I will not be signing

Bottom line is that SOE would be stupid to pay LA for the rights to the licence, since they would never return a profit on that investment.

Now if SOE was smart, they would build a new sci-fi mmo with the non-class system that was SWG before NGE. Take the good stuff from SWG like the, sandbox theme, professions, crafting, exploration, and space flight. Then create a soild combat system, and sit back and rake the cash in.

It amazes me how dense SOE can be.

Game Over

I agree Brix, but I think that the problem with such a game gets back to the basic "skill based" versus "class based" argument with regards to the balance angle.

Trying to balance a game with so many combinations of builds is difficult.  You end up with endless nerfs and then the resulting "build of the month" as a result.  It's an endless cycle.

I'm of the opinion that SWG combat in all three of it's iterations was utter crap.

But, if such a game was to be made, I'd support the idea of a class based system layered over all the other elements that made SWG great.

SOE had the right idea in the end, although I agree that changing a game midstream so much as they did is also not a great idea.  Also, it didn't help that their systems and implementation absolutely sucked.

There are people who liked the game and played it.It reminds me of AC2 when loads of AC1 players were happy it died and honestly i felt pretty sad because i was one of the few thousands that enjoyed AC2 but got caught in the tangle of microsoft poor billing.

Both AC2 and SWG have one of the best communities ever ,something WoW can  only dream of .

To this people i say remember the good times and please make videos on youtube so no one would forget that a great community once  existed on SWG.

Originally posted by Brixon

Bottom line is that SOE would be stupid to pay LA for the rights to the licence, since they would never return a profit on that investment.

Now if SOE was smart, they would build a new sci-fi mmo with the non-class system that was SWG before NGE. Take the good stuff from SWG like the, sandbox theme, professions, crafting, exploration, and space flight. Then create a soild combat system, and sit back and rake the cash in.

It amazes me how dense SOE can be.

Game Over

Well you never know they may do this since they have an undisclosed sandbox mmorpg in dev apparently and it cannot be psnext or EQnext  so maybe it is a pre cu sci fi mmo.

Originally posted by Daffid011

The GCW gets revamped every other year.   SOE spent minimal effort to support the game and most likely they are contractually obligated to do so.  Still most of that support the last few years has been spent on the virtual loot card money grab.  SOE gave up on SWG ever being a viable product again a long time ago. 

As for Lucas Arts forcing the game to close, where do you get that from?  Lucas Arts can't force SOE to resign the deal and force them to operate a game that is dead.  They cannot force SOE to pay the licenising fee.  Just like they can't force SOE to do the NGE.  Give credit where credit is due.  Would you spend a bucket of money to license this game, support it for years and compete with SWTOR just to placate a few hundred players?

People didn't avoid SWG, because they feared it would go through yet another major change.  They avoided it, because it was a poorly made game in a market filled with better alternatives.  Each successive massive change (and series of minor changes) have made the game worse and worse with few bright spots in between.  It just isn't a quality game.

If SWG was a better game more people would play it regardless of what some angry former players say and Smed would be announcing a contract extension.  That isn't the case so they are closing the game.

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Daffid011

The GCW gets revamped every other year.   SOE spent minimal effort to support the game and most likely they are contractually obligated to do so.  Still most of that support the last few years has been spent on the virtual loot card money grab.  SOE gave up on SWG ever being a viable product again a long time ago. 

As for Lucas Arts forcing the game to close, where do you get that from?  Lucas Arts can't force SOE to resign the deal and force them to operate a game that is dead.  They cannot force SOE to pay the licenising fee.  Just like they can't force SOE to do the NGE.  Give credit where credit is due.  Would you spend a bucket of money to license this game, support it for years and compete with SWTOR just to placate a few hundred players?

People didn't avoid SWG, because they feared it would go through yet another major change.  They avoided it, because it was a poorly made game in a market filled with better alternatives.  Each successive massive change (and series of minor changes) have made the game worse and worse with few bright spots in between.  It just isn't a quality game.

If SWG was a better game more people would play it regardless of what some angry former players say and Smed would be announcing a contract extension.  That isn't the case so they are closing the game.

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

 Hello you don't speak for me, and I am played SWG from the get go.  Let me say this and say it once.  The NGE killed the game for me.  The cu I lived through it and tolerated it. 

But to put all that BS in your post on how this was going to make me bash LA and Bio-ware for making TOR is laughable at best. I mean gosh you really thing all of us swg vets want to save this game, I THINK NOT!!!

I am not going to sign the petition. I remember back when the NGE hit all the petitions and all to reverse it, and here you are again going zomg we got to stop this,  and all I got to say is not this time.  

Hey it is their company and their software,  they can do with it as they like.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

I do not understand how anyone is dictating how you play your games.  The game is closing. Thats it. No one is making you play TOR or anything else.

You seem to believe that as a consumer you are owed something beyond what you got for your 15 a month. You are not. You never had any say in the direction of this or any other game. You paid and you played. That was the deal.

You are the one that got all emotionally invested in a video game.

LA does not care what people think. They want this closed so TOR will get maximum sales.

Nothing anyone says will change that.

Sorry to say this mate but I don't think it's going to help. They made up their mind that's it. It's final.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

[1] I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

[2] Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

[3] Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

[4] Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

[1]

Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live.  I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing.  Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game.  Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read.  Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.

[2]

Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages.  Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers.  All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining. 

[3]

SWG isn't thriving.  You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing.  SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again.   SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy.   The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore.  It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation.  That is the simple truth.

[4]

I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity.  I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game.  Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE). 

However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time. 

You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.

LOL this game should of died years ago they never listened to thier customers then what makes you think they will listen now, they killed this game years ago and lost so many people it doesnt deserve to be saved IMO.

Originally posted by Daffid011

[1]

Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live.  I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing.  Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game.  Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read.  Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.

 

[2]

Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages.  Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers.  All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining. 

 

[3]

SWG isn't thriving.  You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing.  SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again.   SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy.   The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore.  It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation.  That is the simple truth.

 

[4]

I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity.  I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game.  Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE). 

However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time. 

You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.

Good post mate

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Daffid011

The GCW gets revamped every other year.   SOE spent minimal effort to support the game and most likely they are contractually obligated to do so.  Still most of that support the last few years has been spent on the virtual loot card money grab.  SOE gave up on SWG ever being a viable product again a long time ago. 

As for Lucas Arts forcing the game to close, where do you get that from?  Lucas Arts can't force SOE to resign the deal and force them to operate a game that is dead.  They cannot force SOE to pay the licenising fee.  Just like they can't force SOE to do the NGE.  Give credit where credit is due.  Would you spend a bucket of money to license this game, support it for years and compete with SWTOR just to placate a few hundred players?

People didn't avoid SWG, because they feared it would go through yet another major change.  They avoided it, because it was a poorly made game in a market filled with better alternatives.  Each successive massive change (and series of minor changes) have made the game worse and worse with few bright spots in between.  It just isn't a quality game.

If SWG was a better game more people would play it regardless of what some angry former players say and Smed would be announcing a contract extension.  That isn't the case so they are closing the game.

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

 Hello you don't speak for me, and I am played SWG from the get go.  Let me say this and say it once.  The NGE killed the game for me.  The cu I lived through it and tolerated it. 

But to put all that BS in your post on how this was going to make me bash LA and Bio-ware for making TOR is laughable at best. I mean gosh you really thing all of us swg vets want to save this game, I THINK NOT!!!

I am not going to sign the petition. I remember back when the NGE hit all the petitions and all to reverse it, and here you are again going zomg we got to stop this,  and all I got to say is not this time.  

Hey it is their company and their software,  they can do with it as they like.

If you are not playing SWG then I am not on about you, I do not expect swg vets to bash TOR, but would hope that you would support your fellow innocent players to not have to go through the same thing as you did with the NGE. The way this is going down is in efffect forcing people to switch from the NGE to SWTOR even if they do not want to play SWTOR, just like you did when they forced the NGE on you. It is worse this time as people lose everything - characters, items, the whole lot

I doubt everyone playing SWG now  will bas TOR either, but there are still loads of people enjoying the game for what it is, and you are now screwing them all, innocent players, and supportng the companies who brought the NGE and the like, because thay can do what they like.

So you are OK about them doing whatever they like with TOR on any other game in the future? You want another NGE? If SWG is not saved then that will happen again tto another game you love.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by superniceguy

Do you actuall play SWG? I am guessing not, as you are completely clueless.

[1] I only said people feared it woulld go through another change because that is all I read on these forums. Guess I must have inagined it then

[2] Looking at the majority of the reviews on Amazon give it one star, and are all mainly given between 2005-2006 when the game was bad. People see that and would steer clear especialloy with a fee. Guess we all forgot that, and to do reviews to counter them all.

SWG players have always been quite loud, and any polls pop up can get SWG to the top.

This time every player will affected when SWG closes, not just a handful, whereas the others just accepted the NGE and moved on or didn't want to burn the bridge.. Everyone will have a reason to bash TOR for Lucasarts decision after SWG closes

Yes SWG was destined to close, but now is not the time. THis puts me off playing any MMO now, if LA can get away with this.

[3] Imagine if another company decides to release a new MMO similar to the one you are playing, and then they decide to close it when the game is still thriving and loads of people are enjoying it

SWG needs to be saved, to show that thiese companies can not get away with dictating how we play our games. It is obvious they are cancelling it because of TOR. LA are the ones who wanted to cancel the game, there is no evidence to suppot SOE was all for this. The contract ends well into 2012 not end of 2011

[4] Anyone not willing to sign this, are against fellow players, and are with these companies. Both SOE and LA will survive no problem without SWG, as they want this. 

If there really is not anything they can do, then no matter the number of those sigs wil change their mind, if they have no money for it, and you will have your wish, but if they do change their mind because of it, then they are only doing it for the benefit of themselves and not us players, and will do anything they like to their games, including being frree to screw up a game you are fond of, and that may be TOR. If LA does not screw up TOR then SWG players will with their anger

So, by not signing the petition, you are only hurting the players including yourself, and not SOE or LA

[1]

Tens of millions of gamers have joined the mmo genre since the NGE went live.  I can assure you that most of them have not read or posted here about SWG changing, fear it changing or even know the history of SWG changing.  Every single day there were people in the trial area of the game.  Those were new players who were trying the despite anything they might have read.  Looking at the constant population decline it is clear they left for their own reasons.

 

[2]

Looking at the majority of reviews for Cataclsym and you see 1 and 2 star reviews filling the first pages.  Looking at any poll or topic around here that mentions wow and you would think it was created by baby-killers.  All the vocal criticizing of WoW doesn't seem to have stunted its growth during the same 6 years that SWG had been declining. 

 

[3]

SWG isn't thriving.  You seem very misinformed about that and perhaps that is why you don't understand why the game is closing.  SWG just closed half of their game servers not to long ago and it is getting ready to close servers again.   SWTOR has not even launched yet and the game is dropping like crazy.   The fact is that SWG isn't a viable product anymore.  It does not justify the costs of licensing and operation.  That is the simple truth.

 

[4]

I think you are letting your emotional attactment to the game cloud your objectivity.  I do feel bad for the folks who are losing their game.  Just seeing some of the recent farewell posts with screenshots reminds me of how much I once enjoyed the game (no I am not someone who was driven away by the NGE). 

However that does not change the reality of the situation being that SWG has been at the end of its life cycle for a very long time. 

You should be thanking Lucas Arts and SOE for even running the game for so long past its expiration dates, because almost any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago.

SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG

SWG is more active than you give it credit for

Originally posted by superniceguy

SOE would not have pulled the plug on this game years ago. Matrix (when it was alive) and Vanguard TOGETHER are more dead than SWG

That is why I said "any other game company would have pulled the plug on this game years ago",  not SOE.

SOE tends to run games long past it is healthy to do so, such as The Matrix, Vanguard and SWG.  SWG players should be happy SOE let the game run this long, because most companies would not have.