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  KyngBills

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6/28/11 8:43:34 AM#121

Originally posted by J4ck_5p4rr0w

End game means different things to different people. For some its PvE, for some its PvP, for others its crafting, collecting, etc. For me, its simply having new missions to do. And for that purpose I have all the content I will ever need with the Foundry. I literally have a new mission to play every single time I log on, and that is far more than any other MMO currently offers me.

 


I realize it's just your opinion...BUT...If you're saying that STO offers more than other MMO's offer currently you have truly lost your mind...And you're coming off as a major shrill for this Game which everyone knows was a tremendous disappointment...And yes I played it...The Game sucked...It was a tremendous repetitive bore...Maybe it has improved some...And good for you that you're having a good time playing it...But not realizing it's not even close to comparing to a AAA title is a bit naive at this point...


  ShardWarrior

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6/28/11 8:52:08 AM#122

Originally posted by Grand_Nagus

Saying a game has improved yet lowering its score is contradictory. Also, writing up a new review when you know a big update is coming out in 2 weeks and saying your going to do another review afterward is a waste of time.



 


The original score may have been too high to begin with.  Some areas may have improved while others fell far short of expectation and worsened over time.  The methods behind how a game is scored may change over time.  There are any number of reasons a games overall score could drop from one review to the next.


Hope and dream all you want, the game is still not up to snuff for many.  They don't need you coming here to try and make excuses for the game or try and sell it to them.  People are perfectly capable of using their own judgement.

  Gruug

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6/28/11 9:05:54 AM#123
Originally posted by KyngBills

Originally posted by J4ck_5p4rr0w

End game means different things to different people. For some its PvE, for some its PvP, for others its crafting, collecting, etc. For me, its simply having new missions to do. And for that purpose I have all the content I will ever need with the Foundry. I literally have a new mission to play every single time I log on, and that is far more than any other MMO currently offers me.

 

I realize it's just your opinion...BUT...If you're saying that STO offers more than other MMO's offer currently you have truly lost your mind...And you're coming off as a major shrill for this Game which everyone knows was a tremendous disappointment...And yes I played it...The Game sucked...It was a tremendous repetitive bore...Maybe it has improved some...And good for you that you're having a good time playing it...But not realizing it's not even close to comparing to a AAA title is a bit naive at this point...

 

Ahh...so here is the problem....you said "you played it". When? Lately? I agree that STO was not ready at launch. There was much lacking at that time and I was vocal about it. However, I have stuck with it as I knew it would not remain static. Cryptic has gone to great lengths to add to the game that which was missing at launch. In fact, they have gone above and beyond. STO is now a far better game then it was. All the more surprising when it garners a lower score then it had previously. With S4 the last major "flaw" of the game will be addressed. While I have yet to have a chance to spend time with the changes being made to ground combat, from what I have seen it will be 100% better then what was offered at launch. So, what is different in my comments and yours....I have also played the game AND STILL DO.

Let's party like it is 1863!

  J4ck_5p4rr0w

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Joined: 1/21/11
Posts: 21

6/28/11 9:17:08 AM#124
Originally posted by KyngBills

Originally posted by J4ck_5p4rr0w

End game means different things to different people. For some its PvE, for some its PvP, for others its crafting, collecting, etc. For me, its simply having new missions to do. And for that purpose I have all the content I will ever need with the Foundry. I literally have a new mission to play every single time I log on, and that is far more than any other MMO currently offers me.

 


I realize it\'s just your opinion...BUT...If you\'re saying that STO offers more than other MMO\'s offer currently you have truly lost your mind...


 

If you actually take the time to read my post you\'ll see exactly what I mean, as I stated it plainly. STO\'s Foundry means that every single time I log in I have a new mission that I have never played before. I\'m not aware of any other game that does that.
  J4ck_5p4rr0w

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6/28/11 9:19:35 AM#125
Originally posted by Gruug
With S4 the last major \"flaw\" of the game will be addressed.

Though I obviously enjoy the game, that doesnt mean I agree with BS statements like this. The KDF issue is still obviously a major flaw for many.
  Loginname

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Joined: 3/31/11
Posts: 5

6/28/11 9:21:29 AM#126

I have a life time subscription, I also thought the first review was to high. The game is poor on polish, social and value. They are slow to act on anything but c-store additions. The improvements to ground combat should have started in March of 2010, before many of the rage quits.


 There is still almost no end game, many bugs still there from launch, and new ones.  Pops ups durning game play are annoying. Many abilities like target exposed enemy, and your secondary attack stop working in combat. Buttons don't work and have to be pressed again sometimes. Space combat is overly repetitious and to easy on elite. All the mobs in space feel the same.


They didn't really add anything to PVP, except a couple of maps players don't use. The queues broke down and by the time they had them fixed many of the PVP players had quit. You will sit 30 to 45 minutes in a space PVP queue. You can't get a ground queue within a hour, I have waited three or more. Until I just gave up on PVP.


The prices in c-store are to high, like this review. I think it should be 5.0, up from a 4.0. The game will improve when the new ground combat goes live but there is still nothing to do. Except some single player quest from UGC. I didn't think the game needed more single player quest, and was bored with them in June of 2010.


  SwampRob

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6/28/11 9:34:07 AM#127

I'm a big Star Trek fan and I played this game for one month.   After about 2 weeks I was looking for a reason to log on.   I've never seen so many options only available in a cash shop in a P2P game.     I found costumes, character creation, etc. extremely limiting for someone with an active account.

The ground combat was ok, the space combat.... not so much.   I could somewhat get behind the slower, more tactical combat, but it was overdone IMO.    Many non-boss ships had to be hit 50 times or more before they'd blow up (die).   Compare that to any other MMO.

Also, travel.   Way too much long boring travel.    Even with the few shortcuts that were available, I was often just staring at my ship for 10 minutes or more, slowing plodding my way towards some specific sector.

The only thing the game got right, IMO, was the sounds and graphics.   It very much looks and sounds like Star Trek should.

If this game ever goes F2P (and, tbh, I'm absolutely amazed this hasn't happened  yet), I might revisit it.    No chance I will if it doesn't.

*Sorry about the large font, my eyes aren't what they used to be.

  Jamion

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6/28/11 10:43:58 AM#128

What I find horrifying about this the fact that MMORPG did this review right before a major update.  It's like they didn't do any research before they picked up the game and went into the game completely biased.  Bad form MMORPG.com.


We know Season 4 is right around the corner, as well as new sets of FEs (yea!).  Season 4 will come with Borg Invasion, Ground Combat 2.0, and later on the Duty Officer System.  This article is a continuation of the nay-sayer who said this game wouldn't last a year.  Well it's still here, and its been going quite strongly.  And planning to do a rereview of the game in the calm right before a major update isn't just bad form its the sign of a bad reporter.  It's like reporting on how good  the olympics was the week before it starts.


STO deserves at least an 8/10 if not higher.


  AG-Vuk

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6/28/11 1:59:05 PM#129

Originally posted by Jamion

What I find horrifying about this the fact that MMORPG did this review right before a major update.  It's like they didn't do any research before they picked up the game and went into the game completely biased.  Bad form MMORPG.com.




We know Season 4 is right around the corner, as well as new sets of FEs (yea!).  Season 4 will come with Borg Invasion, Ground Combat 2.0, and later on the Duty Officer System.  This article is a continuation of the nay-sayer who said this game wouldn't last a year.  Well it's still here, and its been going quite strongly.  And planning to do a rereview of the game in the calm right before a major update isn't just bad form its the sign of a bad reporter.  It's like reporting on how good  the olympics was the week before it starts.




STO deserves at least an 8/10 if not higher.



 


 You want to know what I find horrifying ? People coming on here complaining , about an article that predates a major content release from a company that has repeatedly released major content without proper testing and with major bugs. It's horrifying to see people put so much faith in a company that still can't release content without major bugs accompanying that release.  So , with that said , you'd have them wait atleast until September to file the article . (since that's about the amount of time Cryptic spends getting the bugs ironed out ) MMORPG has a schedule which they obviously follow .  Sorry, Cryptic schedule doesn't follow MMORPG's.


I've a long weekend coming up and since the content specifically S-4 isn't in it , this article is relavant for people deciding what to do with their gaming time over a long weekend.


PS : If I recall correctly, wasn't S-4 pushed back ? I was suppose to be out earlier. So who's really to blame ?


  staran

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6/28/11 2:46:53 PM#130
The only date cryptic gave season 4 was July 7 and shockingly they kept that date since it was announced early march.
Been playing mmo's since ultima was released and can honestly say sto is the only game that kept my interest and I have been playing since beta.
It isn't for everyone. You can't be a night elf hunter and you can't kill 10 rats. Cryptic and atari as a company suck and their policies are the worst in the business. But sto is still a good growing game. Look at the difference since launch (which isn't hard to do and it hurts cryptics reliability in the eyes of the minimally observant)
  SBE1

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Posts: 339

6/28/11 3:07:41 PM#131

Well, I will say that saying the game is far better than at launch and giving it a lower score is nothing new at MMORPG.  They did that with AION.  I dunno, maybe standards of what they use to evaluate games changes over time. With a game like Star Trek, the length of time since the initial review to the re-review might be pretty long.  However, with AION it was re-reviewed in 1 year and got a lower score despite saying it was better than at launch. 


Still, I often wonder if MMORGP is making a bigger effort to accurately score games.  I'm shocked at a 6.4 score, since almost every game at MMORPG gets 7-9.  Did some new policy of reviewing games become implemented at MMORPG?  Most games should be 6-7 in range, with some really good ones at 7-8, great ones at 8-9 and the greatest at 9-10. I have no problem with 6.4 as a score, but just don't usually see it at this website.


  Ryukan

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6/28/11 4:29:21 PM#132

I think the score is a bit too low and like many others in this thread, should have waited on the re-review. I would rate this game between 7 and 7.5 right now.


  madjackred

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6/28/11 4:42:31 PM#133

I'm surprised that player generated content was ignored.  I've found a wealth of innovative player created missions which had both high quality stories and creative, interesting Ground Missions.  Hopefully whoever handles the Season 4 review will take a look at some of those before bemoaning a lack of variety in the "avatar missions." 

  Dinendae

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6/28/11 11:38:38 PM#134
Originally posted by J4ck_5p4rr0w
That makes no sense. The last review was 7.4, and the game has improved since then. Your saying the game has gotten worse since the last review? I guess this websites own reviewers arent even in agreement.

 Actually, it makes a lot of sense: The last reviewer did everything possible to pad the numbers in STO's favor, including adding in a roleplaying category (with a high rating) that focused on player created roleplay instead of looking at what roleplaying tools (RP channels, RP rulesets, etc.) that the game may provide.

"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  Dinendae

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6/28/11 11:57:18 PM#135
Originally posted by Caldrin

Stunning graphics ?

 When compared to CO, which uses the same engine? Absolutely!

"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  Dinendae

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6/28/11 11:59:55 PM#136
Originally posted by Irusk

It's Bridge Commander made online with a monthly fee.

 No, it's really not. In Bridge Commander you controlled your ship from the stations on the bridge, hence the name. STO's space combat is closer to the Starfleet Command series of games.

"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  Dinendae

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6/29/11 12:02:21 AM#137
Originally posted by bobfish

Really is bad timing, you've could've kept Lori's work and just amended references/scores relative to the ground combat update in two weeks, rather than put this up now.

 Not if she's not the one doing the next re-review. Mixing up two different reviews would be bad. Sure, the timing is a bit off, but I can't fault them for not wanting to just trash her work becuase of the next patch.

"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  Dinendae

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6/29/11 12:09:43 AM#138
Originally posted by madjackred

I'm surprised that player generated content was ignored.  I've found a wealth of innovative player created missions which had both high quality stories and creative, interesting Ground Missions.  Hopefully whoever handles the Season 4 review will take a look at some of those before bemoaning a lack of variety in the "avatar missions." 

 Player generated content shouldn't be used in generating the actual score of a game, only what the company has done. If a game has some really great player generated content though, then mention that as one of the pros, and not as an actual scored section. Likewise, if a game has terrible player generated content, that shouldn't be held against a game's score.

"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  madjackred

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6/29/11 10:14:44 AM#139

Originally posted by Dinendae



Originally posted by madjackred


I'm surprised that player generated content was ignored.  I've found a wealth of innovative player created missions which had both high quality stories and creative, interesting Ground Missions.  Hopefully whoever handles the Season 4 review will take a look at some of those before bemoaning a lack of variety in the "avatar missions." 



 Player generated content shouldn't be used in generating the actual score of a game, only what the company has done. If a game has some really great player generated content though, then mention that as one of the pros, and not as an actual scored section. Likewise, if a game has terrible player generated content, that shouldn't be held against a game's score.



 


Gotta disagree with you there.  If the shortage of a certain type of content is addressed by quality player content, it doesn't matter where it came from.  Resources were spent desiging the engine for player content creation, review and release, so the devs get credit for making it available even if it was through "volunteer developers."  Quality player content should affect both the "Longevity" and "Value" scores.


  rubulator2k

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6/29/11 1:26:06 PM#140

Unless they re-did the whole game since launch... this score is generous... Its still a 100 hour offline game that they jammed online


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