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  baff

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6/29/11 5:22:39 PM#161
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

 

Well, in the gay homes they have two fathers.

 

 Incorrect. They have one father and his boyfriend.

So where is the mother?

 

Once again I am happy to concede that having two adults around to raise children is easier than having just the one, but the role of the marriage contract is to encourage and support the mother and the father to stay together and raise their children.

 

The use of marriage to promote broken homes is the polar opposite of what I view the role of marriage to be in society.

I wish to promote the best for people. Not the second best. Or at least I am willing to promote both, but I give priority to the best over the second. I wish to promote that more or in preference if I feel the two are mutually exclusive.

  Ihmotepp

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6/29/11 5:52:40 PM#162
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

 

Well, in the gay homes they have two fathers.

 

 Incorrect. They have one father and his boyfriend.

So where is the mother?

 

Once again I am happy to concede that having two adults around to raise children is easier than having just the one, but the role of the marriage contract is to encourage and support the mother and the father to stay together and raise their children.

 

The use of marriage to promote broken homes is the polar opposite of what I view the role of marriage to be in society.

I wish to promote the best for people. Not the second best. Or at least I am willing to promote both, but I give priority to the best over the second. I wish to promote that more or in preference if I feel the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Gay people are gay.

Straight people are straight.

You can't promote someone to be gay.

You can't promote them to be straight.

They are what they are.

Gay people want the same rights as you or any straight person.

I see no reason to deny those rights to them.

 

See this woman?

 

If i walked into a grocery store and saw her, without knowing anything about her, I'd think, she's a lesbian.

I'd be right.

I would not think she can be promoted to be straight.

It's Rachel Maddow btw, a commentator  on American MSNBC. She's openly gay.

If she wants to get married, or raise kids, fine with me.

What's that got to do with you?

Far as I can tell, nothing.

 

 

  Scubie67

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6/29/11 5:58:18 PM#163
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

 

Well, in the gay homes they have two fathers.

 

 Incorrect. They have one father and his boyfriend.

So where is the mother?

 

Once again I am happy to concede that having two adults around to raise children is easier than having just the one, but the role of the marriage contract is to encourage and support the mother and the father to stay together and raise their children.

 

The use of marriage to promote broken homes is the polar opposite of what I view the role of marriage to be in society.

I wish to promote the best for people. Not the second best. Or at least I am willing to promote both, but I give priority to the best over the second. I wish to promote that more or in preference if I feel the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Gay people are gay.

Straight people are straight.

You can't promote someone to be gay.

You can't promote them to be straight.

They are what they are.

Gay people want the same rights as you or any straight person.

I see no reason to deny those rights to them.

 

See this woman?

 

If i walked into a grocery store and saw her, without knowing anything about her, I'd think, she's a lesbian.

I'd be right.

I would not think she can be promoted to be straight.

It's Rachel Maddow btw, a commentator  on American MSNBC. She's openly gay.

If she wants to get married, or raise kids, fine with me.

What's that got to do with you?

Far as I can tell, nothing.

 

 

  Ihmo...just because this sub-forum is unmoderated does not mean you can post pictures like that...Dear Mother of God ,NO.

  baff

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Posts: 9470

6/29/11 6:10:14 PM#164
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Gay people are gay.

Straight people are straight.

You can't promote someone to be gay.

 

 Of course you can.

You can give them tax breaks and pas sexual equality laws. (Social engineering).

You can destigmatise gayness.

You can put gay role models on TV. You could put a disproportionate number of gay people on the TV channels.

You can glamorise gay culture. Write articles about rich and sucessful gay people.

You can choose openly gay musicians to head the line up on Top of the Pops.

You can send gay awareness groups around primamry schools and give allthe kids "it' cool to be gay" badges.

We can put posters up all over town advertising gay discos.

We can socially ostracise anyone for talking in a homophobic manner.

 

That's how we do it over here.

 

It looks like they do the same over your way. All the gay people you know of are all sucessful celebrities.

If all the gay people you saw on your TV were aids victims, screw ups or murderers, i assure you that you would have gained a quite different attitude.

 

My mate has a great tactic. He hires thousand pound a night hookers for his work (he needs to pretend to be straight at dinner parties for his business), and then he gets all the hookers to invite sexy young men home with them for sex. Only the orgy is at his place and if you to shag those women, you get shagged by him at the same time.

Oh yes. There are ways to promote gayness alright.

  baff

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Posts: 9470

6/29/11 6:17:57 PM#165
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

It's Rachel Maddow btw, a commentator  on American MSNBC. She's openly gay.

If she wants to get married, or raise kids, fine with me.

What's that got to do with you?

Far as I can tell, nothing.

 

 

It's got absolutely nothing to do with me as far as I can tell either.

Or you for that matter.

 

I'm certainly not intrested in discouraging her in anyway. But equally, I'm not looking to be encouraging of her either. I'm neither pro nor anti gay. I try not to be discriminative.

 

On the otherhand there are things I do wish to encourage.  Regular vanilla marriage for example. I think this to be a broadly positive thing for society. I discriminate in favour of that.

You promote gay marriage. That's up to you. I have other priorities.

  Ihmotepp

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Posts: 14557

6/29/11 7:04:51 PM#166
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

It's Rachel Maddow btw, a commentator  on American MSNBC. She's openly gay.

If she wants to get married, or raise kids, fine with me.

What's that got to do with you?

Far as I can tell, nothing.

 

 

It's got absolutely nothing to do with me as far as I can tell either.

Or you for that matter.

 

I'm certainly not intrested in discouraging her in anyway. But equally, I'm not looking to be encouraging of her either. I'm neither pro nor anti gay. I try not to be discriminative.

 

On the otherhand there are things I do wish to encourage.  Regular vanilla marriage for example. I think this to be a broadly positive thing for society. I discriminate in favour of that.

You promote gay marriage. That's up to you. I have other priorities.

 

I promote equality under the law.

  Ihmotepp

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Joined: 10/28/08
Posts: 14557

6/29/11 7:08:11 PM#167
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Gay people are gay.

Straight people are straight.

You can't promote someone to be gay.

 

 Of course you can.

You can give them tax breaks and pas sexual equality laws. (Social engineering).

You can destigmatise gayness.

You can put gay role models on TV. You could put a disproportionate number of gay people on the TV channels.

You can glamorise gay culture. Write articles about rich and sucessful gay people.

You can choose openly gay musicians to head the line up on Top of the Pops.

You can send gay awareness groups around primamry schools and give allthe kids "it' cool to be gay" badges.

We can put posters up all over town advertising gay discos.

We can socially ostracise anyone for talking in a homophobic manner.

 

That's how we do it over here.

 

It looks like they do the same over your way. All the gay people you know of are all sucessful celebrities.

If all the gay people you saw on your TV were aids victims, screw ups or murderers, i assure you that you would have gained a quite different attitude.

 

My mate has a great tactic. He hires thousand pound a night hookers for his work (he needs to pretend to be straight at dinner parties for his business), and then he gets all the hookers to invite sexy young men home with them for sex. Only the orgy is at his place and if you to shag those women, you get shagged by him at the same time.

Oh yes. There are ways to promote gayness alright.

 

Has any of that made you gay?

If not, it proves my point.

You can't promote gayness.

Unless, you're saying you're gay now because of this?

Maybe the musicians on Top of the Pops are good, AND they happen to be gay?

Does that make you want to have sex with men, because a musician on Top of the Pops is gay?

It doesn't have that affect on me.

Maybe you're just gay.

 

 

  Ihmotepp

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6/29/11 7:10:27 PM#168
Originally posted by Scubie67
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp

 

 

Well, in the gay homes they have two fathers.

 

 Incorrect. They have one father and his boyfriend.

So where is the mother?

 

Once again I am happy to concede that having two adults around to raise children is easier than having just the one, but the role of the marriage contract is to encourage and support the mother and the father to stay together and raise their children.

 

The use of marriage to promote broken homes is the polar opposite of what I view the role of marriage to be in society.

I wish to promote the best for people. Not the second best. Or at least I am willing to promote both, but I give priority to the best over the second. I wish to promote that more or in preference if I feel the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Gay people are gay.

Straight people are straight.

You can't promote someone to be gay.

You can't promote them to be straight.

They are what they are.

Gay people want the same rights as you or any straight person.

I see no reason to deny those rights to them.

 

See this woman?

 

If i walked into a grocery store and saw her, without knowing anything about her, I'd think, she's a lesbian.

I'd be right.

I would not think she can be promoted to be straight.

It's Rachel Maddow btw, a commentator  on American MSNBC. She's openly gay.

If she wants to get married, or raise kids, fine with me.

What's that got to do with you?

Far as I can tell, nothing.

 

 

  Ihmo...just because this sub-forum is unmoderated does not mean you can post pictures like that...Dear Mother of God ,NO.

 

My bad, but it had to be done to prove a point.

Anyone that thinks this woman was not born a lesbian is just retarded.

 

  baff

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Joined: 5/22/05
Posts: 9470

6/29/11 11:36:25 PM#169
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Has any of that made you gay?

If not, it proves my point.

You can't promote gayness.

Unless, you're saying you're gay now because of this?

Maybe the musicians on Top of the Pops are good, AND they happen to be gay?

Does that make you want to have sex with men, because a musician on Top of the Pops is gay?

It doesn't have that affect on me.

Maybe you're just gay.

 

 

 I don't drink Coca Cola either. Does that somehow prove that Coca Cola doesn't get promoted?

I don't own a Ford. Are you also suggesting that people do not actively promote Fords? That my not owning one is somehow proof of this?

You come out with some really weak nonsense.

 

You know how things are promoted. You understand the method.

It applies to metrosexuality just as it applies to racism, drink driving, product branding and any other form of social conditioning.

 

Attitudes can be adjusted. Taboos can be broken. Squeamishnesses de-sensitised. Phobia's overcome. Boundaries broken down.

Just because you aren't currently gay, doesn't mean you won't be one day. Never say never. You won't have been the first man to have changed his tastes and clearly you don't think there is anything wrong with it. You never know where life will take you.

 

As it happens, I used to work for a gay musician who was on Top of the Pops a lot. Promoting him. Being gay was his USP.

You can promote gayness, I have often done so.

  Ihmotepp

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7/01/11 3:43:24 PM#170
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Has any of that made you gay?

If not, it proves my point.

You can't promote gayness.

Unless, you're saying you're gay now because of this?

Maybe the musicians on Top of the Pops are good, AND they happen to be gay?

Does that make you want to have sex with men, because a musician on Top of the Pops is gay?

It doesn't have that affect on me.

Maybe you're just gay.

 

 

 I don't drink Coca Cola either. Does that somehow prove that Coca Cola doesn't get promoted?

I don't own a Ford. Are you also suggesting that people do not actively promote Fords? That my not owning one is somehow proof of this?

You come out with some really weak nonsense.

 

You know how things are promoted. You understand the method.

It applies to metrosexuality just as it applies to racism, drink driving, product branding and any other form of social conditioning.

 

Attitudes can be adjusted. Taboos can be broken. Squeamishnesses de-sensitised. Phobia's overcome. Boundaries broken down.

Just because you aren't currently gay, doesn't mean you won't be one day. Never say never. You won't have been the first man to have changed his tastes and clearly you don't think there is anything wrong with it. You never know where life will take you.

 

As it happens, I used to work for a gay musician who was on Top of the Pops a lot. Promoting him. Being gay was his USP.

You can promote gayness, I have often done so.

 

Yuo can't promote being gay.

Either you are, or you are not.

No one is ever going to convince me Rachel Maddow was not born gay.

I'd know it the minute I saw her in a grocery store. I'd go, there's a lesbian, and I'd be right.

It's like promoting being Chinese. If I saw a chinese woman in the grocery store, I'd go, she's Chinse, and i'd be right.

Either you are, or you aren't.

You can buy a ford.

You can not buy a ford.

Rachel Maddow is gay. She can't buy out of that.

You can prove me wrong, and turn gay.

I'm betting you can't do it, and  be just as gay as Rachel Maddow is lesbian.

Which means you can't promote it.

 

Can you have sex with teh same sex and not be gay? Sure. You can have sex with a doorknob, and I'm sure someone has. That doesn't make you doorknobsexual.

You can masturbate. That doesn't make you exclusively solosexual. People have sex with fruits and vegetables. That doesn't make them vegetarisexual.

If you're gay, you're only attracted to teh same sex, and I'm very sure Rachel Maddow is only attracted to girls, and not guys. Because she was born that way.

  baff

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7/01/11 6:06:12 PM#171

I don't rule out turning gay.

I don't rule out you turning gay either.

 

if you don't want to believe some woman you have seen on TV wasn't born gay, that's your privilege.

That really doesn't change that I can and have promoted gay sexuality.

 

Your weak theories, once again, are rather disproven by my life experiences.

 

 

 

You must have had some life experience of you own? Is this truely a subject matter that you no absolutely nothing about? I find that pretty hard to believe.

  baff

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7/01/11 6:17:00 PM#172
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

you know the saying, beware what you wish for.

5-7 years from now there are going to be gays in divorce court thinking, stupid gay marriage law!

 

 5-7 years?

It's gays we are discussing here. 5-7 days is more likely.

  Ihmotepp

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7/02/11 12:22:54 PM#173
Originally posted by baff

I don't rule out turning gay.

I don't rule out you turning gay either.

 

if you don't want to believe some woman you have seen on TV wasn't born gay, that's your privilege.

That really doesn't change that I can and have promoted gay sexuality.

 

Your weak theories, once again, are rather disproven by my life experiences.

 

 

 

You must have had some life experience of you own? Is this truely a subject matter that you no absolutely nothing about? I find that pretty hard to believe.

 

I rule out being gay, or turning you gay. Unless you're gay. 

Of course, you can be bi, and go either way.

That's the only case where persuasion has any influence, on those that are bi.

MAybe you are bi, and can be persuaded to go either way.

I don't think Rachel Maddow is bi. I think she's 100% lesbian.

No persuasion, at all, is going to make her sexually attracted to men.

So if you're straight, no agenda is going ot affect you.

If you're homosexual, no agenda is going to affect you.

If you're bi, you could go either way, depending on outside influences, since you will be happy with either sex.

But I believe those cases are relatively rare, and really not worth worrying about.

Are the gays going to turn all the straights gay with their agenda?

I wouldn't get your panties in a bunch over it.

Can you advocate that everyone turn gay? Sure, you can advocate that teh Moon turns into the Sun. But ti's not going to happen.

  baff

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7/02/11 1:03:11 PM#174

If you advocate that people all buy fords, not everyone will do so.

Not everyone will be persuaded.

Even if you are the most successful persuasive genius on the planet.

 

But some will. enough to make promoting a well paid profession.

 

Of course promoting gayness, doesn't have to "turn people" gay. It could just promote benefits for existingly gay people.

Tax breaks for example. Wealth or social acceptance. Laws that discriminate in their favour. Nightclubs that don't allow straight people in. Fashion and popularity.

 

I know you are desperate for your homophobia not to be seen as your own willful choice. That you have trouble reconiling your own clear disgist of homosexuality with your need to be seen to be politically correct. But really, that says more aboiut you than it does any gay person.

Least of all when the closest experience you have to offer  of gay people is having watched a woman read the news on televison.

 

I think I'll ask you the same question again, do you have any life experiences on this subject? Anything at all to add? Or are your hypothesis on the love lives of News Readers the best insights you have to offer?

Anything at all?

Where your parents married? Is there a gay guy you speak to at your school?

Surely you can't have absoluterly no wisdom to share at all?

Surely your deep felt arguments must have stemmed from somewhere?

  C-B-M

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7/02/11 4:37:57 PM#175

By the way, you can promote gayness.  Here's an analogy, to begin with.  If you look on the Internet, which you can take as a completely non-scientific but still indicative predictor of general behavior, there's a LOT of man-on-woman anal sex.  And if you go by that, you'd think that anal sex was embraced by all.  In fact, one guy I talked to said that almost every woman has had anal sex.  And it's sort of funny because, as I pointed out, if EVERYONE -- gay and straight -- is having anal sex, then why is it still viewed so distastefully?  A guy will gladly tell you that he got a BJ from his wife the other day, but he won't go, "hey, guess who got some anal action last night?  ME!  I totally tore up Rebecca's asshole!"  But at the same time, even if it doesn't make it acceptable, it still attempts to normalize it.  Like, there's a group of guys out there who have seen hundreds of clips of girls getting anal and they like "hey, the woman in the porno is enjoying it, I'm going to try it out."  Used to be that if someone had anal sex WITH A WOMAN, it was still messed up.  Now it's like, "well, I can accept that you're into anal sex with women."

Same thing with gayness.  I don't mean guys will TURN gay, but a lot of homos claim that (in the same way), "almost every" guy has had a gay experience.  Who buys that?  And remember in the '90s, there was this attempt to normalize homosexuality by claiming that every famous person was gay?  George Washington?  Gay.  Martha Washington was his cover.  Abraham Lincoln?  Gay.  Historical records showed that he had gay sex with some guy.  Thomas Jefferson?  Gay.  The only thing I loved to point out was that nobody had the balls to claim that Martin Luther King, Jr. or Malcolm X was a homo because then all the blacks would kick their ass.  Basically, it's tell everyone that homosexuality or bisexuality is completely normal and acceptable.  And don't tell me that, even if that doesn't make someone gay, it hasn't made some loser in high school QUESTION if he's gay and try it out.

Side note: the following are also gay: DP, threesomes with one girl and two guys, getting your salad tossed/tossing someone's salad, gangbangs.  ALL GAY.

  baff

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7/02/11 4:56:54 PM#176

Dutch Rudders?

  generals3

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7/02/11 5:02:19 PM#177
Originally posted by C-B-M

By the way, you can promote gayness.  Here's an analogy, to begin with.  If you look on the Internet, which you can take as a completely non-scientific but still indicative predictor of general behavior, there's a LOT of man-on-woman anal sex.  And if you go by that, you'd think that anal sex was embraced by all.  In fact, one guy I talked to said that almost every woman has had anal sex.  And it's sort of funny because, as I pointed out, if EVERYONE -- gay and straight -- is having anal sex, then why is it still viewed so distastefully?  A guy will gladly tell you that he got a BJ from his wife the other day, but he won't go, "hey, guess who got some anal action last night?  ME!  I totally tore up Rebecca's asshole!"  But at the same time, even if it doesn't make it acceptable, it still attempts to normalize it.  Like, there's a group of guys out there who have seen hundreds of clips of girls getting anal and they like "hey, the woman in the porno is enjoying it, I'm going to try it out."  Used to be that if someone had anal sex WITH A WOMAN, it was still messed up.  Now it's like, "well, I can accept that you're into anal sex with women."

Same thing with gayness.  I don't mean guys will TURN gay, but a lot of homos claim that (in the same way), "almost every" guy has had a gay experience.  Who buys that?  And remember in the '90s, there was this attempt to normalize homosexuality by claiming that every famous person was gay?  George Washington?  Gay.  Martha Washington was his cover.  Abraham Lincoln?  Gay.  Historical records showed that he had gay sex with some guy.  Thomas Jefferson?  Gay.  The only thing I loved to point out was that nobody had the balls to claim that Martin Luther King, Jr. or Malcolm X was a homo because then all the blacks would kick their ass.  Basically, it's tell everyone that homosexuality or bisexuality is completely normal and acceptable.  And don't tell me that, even if that doesn't make someone gay, it hasn't made some loser in high school QUESTION if he's gay and try it out.

Side note: the following are also gay: DP, threesomes with one girl and two guys, getting your salad tossed/tossing someone's salad, gangbangs.  ALL GAY.

This reminds of a friend who had anal sex with his GF because she had her periods. I guess it's a good back up hole?

Anyway, when it comes to gay experience. One must ask himself what they mean with that. Is it a one second kiss while totally wasted? (have seen it happen) Or really , someone sober bending over and asking for a dick in his ass?

If it's the first i could possibly accept that many have done it. But the second one. No i don't think so, heck i know no one who has had such an experience, while unreliable statistics i doubt a majority has been through such experiences.

Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.

  C-B-M

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7/02/11 6:00:30 PM#178
Originally posted by generals3

This reminds of a friend who had anal sex with his GF because she had her periods. I guess it's a good back up hole?

Yeah, I've heard of that happening.  Seriously, how desperate for sex does someone have to be?  That's hilarious.  That's like how people explain gay rape in jail.  "There are no women ...so the men rape each other."  If your choices are NO sex or sex with a man, what kind of retard chooses sex with a man?

  Ihmotepp

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7/02/11 6:36:19 PM#179
Originally posted by baff

If you advocate that people all buy fords, not everyone will do so.

Not everyone will be persuaded.

Even if you are the most successful persuasive genius on the planet.

 

But some will. enough to make promoting a well paid profession.

 

Of course promoting gayness, doesn't have to "turn people" gay. It could just promote benefits for existingly gay people.

Tax breaks for example. Wealth or social acceptance. Laws that discriminate in their favour. Nightclubs that don't allow straight people in. Fashion and popularity.

 

I know you are desperate for your homophobia not to be seen as your own willful choice. That you have trouble reconiling your own clear disgist of homosexuality with your need to be seen to be politically correct. But really, that says more aboiut you than it does any gay person.

Least of all when the closest experience you have to offer  of gay people is having watched a woman read the news on televison.

 

I think I'll ask you the same question again, do you have any life experiences on this subject? Anything at all to add? Or are your hypothesis on the love lives of News Readers the best insights you have to offer?

Anything at all?

Where your parents married? Is there a gay guy you speak to at your school?

Surely you can't have absoluterly no wisdom to share at all?

Surely your deep felt arguments must have stemmed from somewhere?

 

What?

I support gay marriage, and gays openly serving in the military. How is that homophobic?

  baff

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7/02/11 10:29:43 PM#180

You aren't in anyway open minded about having gay sex.

Clearly it revolts you.

 You have no gay friends.

You frequently use the word gay in a negative context with which to bait people.

Homosexuality revolts you. You think gays are a sub species of humanity.  Born different. Possibly you even feel they are composed of alternative DNA. Diseased.

 

 You are scared of gay sexuality, you don't recognise them as being the same as you, and you avoid gay people in your daily life.

All seems pretty clearcut homophobic to me.

 

Supporting gay marriage and gays in the military perhaps has more to do with your lack of respect for those people involved in both of those institutions? Certainly that is the impression you give.

Neither of those two subjects seems to be one in which you have an actual personal insights or connections to. I'm not sure how you feel you are "supporting them".

LMAO, friends like you, they don't need.

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