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  baff

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6/26/11 5:13:01 PM#41
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Second, gay couples getting married are different than you and your Mom, by more than just the fact that they have sex.

Some people may get married, and NOT have children, or even be able to have children. For example, elderly couples in their 60's often marry, but cannot have children. Therefore marriage is NOT only a bout children.

What marriage is about is SUPPORT.

 What living with my mum is about is support too. What living with anyone is about, is SUPPORT. We aren't going to have children either.

A shared house with your uni mates is about SUPPORT.

What justification do you have to offer gay people more support than the rest of us?

 

Why does your sexuality make any difference?

Why would I and my mum not want alimony if we split up but a gay couple would?

Is there something about not having fucked eachother that means we don't need money or housing?

What if I start slipping it to her... can I have alimony then?

 

 

I'm just about willing to accept children as a reasonable difference. (Or even the reasonable expectation to have children). But not sexual preference. Sorry.

 

And if married hetero people without children get tax breaks i and my mum don't, two wrongs don't make a right.

  Hekket

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6/26/11 5:14:18 PM#42
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by baff

 

I do not believe the act of putting your knob in makes you more deserving than me. I do not recognise that someone having a sexual relationship with another member of the same sex makes them a more important member of society than me.

I think gay marriage is an injustice.

  

You don't get murdered for doing that tho' do you?

 

 For doing what?

 

Putting your dog in someone elses bun.

  baff

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6/26/11 5:29:05 PM#43

Righto in that case, no I don't get murdered for that.

Maybe if you lived in Africa you might though, so if you are going to do that sort of thing, pay attention to the local sensibilities when you are on holiday.

Don't fudge pack your bumchum on the beach in Saudi for example. That would be unwise.

Or if you do have a big gay wedding, don't order the honeymoon suite in Soweto.

  Hekket

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6/26/11 5:30:51 PM#44

bumchum

lmfao

Oh well...the degenerated new york is known for doing out there shit, this is nothing new so I don't care.

  King_Kumquat

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OP  6/26/11 7:55:10 PM#45
Originally posted by baff

Righto in that case, no I don't get murdered for that.

Maybe if you lived in Africa you might though, so if you are going to do that sort of thing, pay attention to the local sensibilities when you are on holiday.

Don't fudge pack your bumchum on the beach in Saudi for example. That would be unwise.

Or if you do have a big gay wedding, don't order the honeymoon suite in Soweto.

Violence towards homosexuials is actually pretty gross even in the good ol' USA. 

So these types of victories, you know people and the law, actually bridging the gaps in equality and acceptance are needed.


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  C-B-M

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6/26/11 11:30:56 PM#46

We have to accept homosexuality?  No, we don't.  I know that's what you guys WANT, which is really what this is all about.  As I stated, there is no actual reason that marriage is necessary -- any perceived (and it's merely perceived) inequity is easily remedied without marriage.  It's really not debatable.  There are LOTS of cohabitating heterosexual couples who aren't constantly railing about how they're being oppressed by society.  In other words, it's merely an issue intended to normalize and mainstream homosexuality.  I'd respect the proponents more if they just said that rather than trying to B.S. everyone like "I'm not allowed to see my gay lover in the hospital!!"

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OP  6/27/11 12:22:58 AM#47
Originally posted by C-B-M

We have to accept homosexuality?  No, we don't.  I know that's what you guys WANT, which is really what this is all about.  As I stated, there is no actual reason that marriage is necessary -- any perceived (and it's merely perceived) inequity is easily remedied without marriage.  It's really not debatable.  There are LOTS of cohabitating heterosexual couples who aren't constantly railing about how they're being oppressed by society.  In other words, it's merely an issue intended to normalize and mainstream homosexuality.  I'd respect the proponents more if they just said that rather than trying to B.S. everyone like "I'm not allowed to see my gay lover in the hospital!!"

So denial of a service to someone who wishes for that service, that's widely availiable to others who are different than them, isn't inequality?

But yeah homosexuiality is a part of human nature. Denying it is ignorant.

I think the only people who can hate on homosexuiality on a religious basis are those who follow all the old laws to a tee. So that means no pork, no shaving, no haircuts, taking on your brother's wives when he passes away, and a lot of odd rules about your father's bits and berries.

This picking and choosing out of sheer ignorance has to stop for there to be any type of justice.


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  Zindaihas

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6/27/11 12:31:52 AM#48
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

So denial of a service to someone who wishes for that service, that's widely availiable to others who are different than them, isn't inequality?

But yeah homosexuiality is a part of human nature. Denying it is ignorant.

I think the only people who can hate on homosexuiality on a religious basis are those who follow all the old laws to a tee. So that means no pork, no shaving, no haircuts, taking on your brother's wives when he passes away, and a lot of odd rules about your father's bits and berries.

This picking and choosing out of sheer ignorance has to stop for there to be any type of justice.

 So is murder.  What's your point?

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OP  6/27/11 12:39:21 AM#49
Originally posted by Zindaihas
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

So denial of a service to someone who wishes for that service, that's widely availiable to others who are different than them, isn't inequality?

But yeah homosexuiality is a part of human nature. Denying it is ignorant.

I think the only people who can hate on homosexuiality on a religious basis are those who follow all the old laws to a tee. So that means no pork, no shaving, no haircuts, taking on your brother's wives when he passes away, and a lot of odd rules about your father's bits and berries.

This picking and choosing out of sheer ignorance has to stop for there to be any type of justice.

 So is murder.  What's your point?

That is my point actually. Can you stop murder? Can you justify murder?

Accepting human nature in all of its forms is important. In particular in regards to equality.

Unless you were trying to naively compare homosexuiality to murder.


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  Finwe

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6/27/11 12:50:58 AM#50
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by Finwe
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/25/us-gaymarriage-newyork-idUSTRE75N5ZA20110625

About time if you ask me. 

The King would never make the claim: "For liberty and justice for all*." and leave such a huge footnote. What America did to the aboriginal people, slaves, women, and workers pales to the persecution of the LGBT community; based mostly on the time line of it all.

Welcome to the 21st century America.

The King welcomes you, and will bide his reign of total subjugation.

 

To reiterate what Zind said two posts above me. That is one of the most asinine, absurd, and completely ridiculously retarded statements I've ever heard. Native americans were exterminated in large part by genocide. Even before the foundation of the U.S. as a sovereign nation. Their lands were stolen, culture destroyed, people murdered. But...Oh yah. That's soooo what the gay's are going through. Native Americans, slaves. But women and workers? One because their pay is shit, the other because they can't vote? What weird comparisons... But really? Comparing the gay movement to the suffering that many native americans and blacks went through? Fucking really? Are you that much of a jackass to not see such a huge difference? Native americans...Genocide, rape, cultural destruction, land stolen and destroyed. Gays...Cultural intolerance. Slaves. In many cases incapable of acquiring freedom, lifelong indebtment to their master. In some situations mistreatment via physical beatings, rape, and death. Gays...Can't marry. My God...You're a moron. I really hate personally insulting somebody in a fairly civil discussion. But you really compared a group of people that rally together based on their sexual orientation and haven't been culturally accepted, to groups of people that have gone through horrible atrocities to in some situations, themselves and their family, or to expand to their entire culture. You're a fucking moron. None of my family has native american ancestry, or to indentured servants nor slaves. But to me...Even me...That's damn offensive. P.S. Welcome to the twenty first century? Ancient aboriginals, greeks, romans, gauls, all had cases of same sex sodomy in their culture? How is this anyway new?

Look here you fucking case work file proof of the need for abortion.

Did I strike a nerve? Seems so. This shall be fun. I'll have to count how many ad hominems and straw men you pull out to make this so obviously astute argument.

 

You hypocrite who probably uses God's name in vain constantly as you flail violently at your inadequate sized penis

A phallic ad hominem? Whoaaaaaaa...I haven't even seen one of those since I stopped talking to closeted homosexual frat boys. But I applaud you for a chuckle. It's amusing.

And I've never used God's name in vain, it always has a point. Though I do not figure how this has any pertinence.

to try and reason why you loathe your pathetic self and to justify your inequated hate towards those you don't understand.

Who do I hate exactly? Well except myself obviously, since you said so.

Although I personally think anyone who is so ridiculously close minded to be inable to accept someone elses beliefs and so immaturely and violently attacks them via a messageboard, whilst screaming and hammering at the keyboard so aggressively that the whole apartment complex is wondering if an isolated earthquake is happening.

Seems you're the self hating one.

Discrimination, supression of rights, and demonizing of others is probably the only fucking grasp of equality you're even half way aware of.

Goosfrabah...Goosfrabah. You're going to have an aneurism if you do not calm down.

Does butt sex always make you this angry?

Is marriage a part of the American culture? Is the right to marriage equal to people in this land? No. The answer to both is not. Gays and lesbians, who are Americans, many great Christians-

The right to marriage should be left to the religious institutions discretion. If they decide to marry homosexuals, they're abominable hypocrites who wouldn't know the verses from the paper they snort their cocaine through.

And how exactly can homosexuals be great christians when they are a complete and utter abomination in the eyes of their God throughout many scriptures saying they will never enter into the Kingdom of God, and are deserved to be executed?

& more so than you'll ever be,

More so what? A "great christian". Uhh..Well...Considering i'm not a Christian...

are denied a basic human right on their native soil. So your first ramble decimated, thanks for playing. But the King isn't done yet.

Marriage is not a basic human right. Sorry.

And my first ramble decimated? Really? Did you even read my post? At all? Half of your rant is some freakish obsession about my dick, the other half, attempting to personally attack me with a tinge of some angry tirade thrown in.

Next... Have gays been raped by straight people? Happens a lot in Texas as a way to show'em. Have they been murdered? Have they been forced to commit suicide? Yes. Have you not paid attention to the things happneing around you in the year 2011? No. You're one of those people who is purpousfully ignorant. And I hope you fucking die.

Lol...Sorry. Just how angry you are kind of amuses me, "YOU DON"T AGREE WITH ME? I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE!". It's like argueing with a methed out 16 year old on her people.

And of course hate crimes have happened. All kinds of hate crimes. Black on white. White on black. Homosexuals being raped by straight people. Straight people being raped by homosexuals. Oh wow...Individuals attacking each other...Oh the horror. Obviously this is a weak comparison to government genocide. Individuals comitting crimes...Damn you're dense.

And no one is forced to commit suicide. If you commit suicide, chances are, you're a weak willed excuse for a human being. "Oh noes...I got bullied. I'm gonna kill myself."

No one has any intestinal fortitude anymore. But hey...suicide is just another term for natural selection.

Still if you're ass enough to read this through.

Your offended because you're stupid.

Ad hominem alert...Ring the alarm!

I stand by my statements and I'm willing to have you check them against their equals. Homosexuality isn't something that's "okay" to have a bias against. The Native Americans, the Blacks, women, and workers know what it's like to have people who mis-read the bible and twists God's word to justify their own bigotry first hand. 

Having a bias towards something equal to, Mass murder.

Yep. Definitely see the comparison. Your logic is infallible!

We should most definitely create laws where you will be executed if you are biased.

Then soon after, all the nations of the world will send off all their nuclear bombs to cause mass extinction, because we've all comitted the same crime.

Please...Go see a neurologist.

But the twentith century showed progress on their struggles.

Thus, why I'm excited to see that there are people fighting against hate in the 21st century. That footnote I was talking about wasn't a direct comparison, but then again you're a well proved idiot. It was stating oversight for leaving the LGBT community out the last century.

And the ad hominem alarm is sound again!

Not a direction comparison? Really? Oh yes...You're right. In fact you said it pales to the persecution of the LGBT community.

I'm happy to do my part, and I'd be willing to make you choke on your own fucking teeth if it meant that I could spare someone who has a different sexuial orientation other than my own any sort of petty judgement an internet fuckwit like you.

The ridiculously high amounts of hypocrisy and empty threats of violence amuse me. Shows who the truly close minded one is, doesn't it? 

You're going to go to hell a hateful little child molester with a hard drive filled with gay lolicon. Because it's always your type who do the true evils in this world.

My type? What's my type?

Or do you mean the type that is so intolerant of other peoples idea's that they make threats of violence, obsessive tirades about someones supposed lack of penal side, fantasizes about people who disagree that they die?

Now quit hating,

Only hate that is so obviously shown is every word that comes out of your mouth towards people who do not share your ideals.

leave your tiny penis alone,

Obsessing about my penis again? Really?

and please shut your fucking mouth before you try and talk with adults again.

I'm conversing with adults? Are you sure about that? I need documentation. Because that's impossible.

You're terrible at debate,

Sorry not everyone can go off on obsessive tirades about peoples penises like you. I will admit, if that is what encompasses debate, you are the master.

and probably every thing else in life too. Get a job.

Wny? Liberals make it so much more appealing to be unemployed.

It'll fix that desire you have to spout off like an uneducated halfwit in the productive hours of the day.

Sorry I have not done enough psychadelic drugs to completely blur the lines of reality and ones own distorted illusion yet.

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  King_Kumquat

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OP  6/27/11 12:57:57 AM#51
Originally posted by Finwe
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by Finwe
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/25/us-gaymarriage-newyork-idUSTRE75N5ZA20110625

About time if you ask me. 

The King would never make the claim: "For liberty and justice for all*." and leave such a huge footnote. What America did to the aboriginal people, slaves, women, and workers pales to the persecution of the LGBT community; based mostly on the time line of it all.

Welcome to the 21st century America.

The King welcomes you, and will bide his reign of total subjugation.

 

To reiterate what Zind said two posts above me. That is one of the most asinine, absurd, and completely ridiculously retarded statements I've ever heard. Native americans were exterminated in large part by genocide. Even before the foundation of the U.S. as a sovereign nation. Their lands were stolen, culture destroyed, people murdered. But...Oh yah. That's soooo what the gay's are going through. Native Americans, slaves. But women and workers? One because their pay is shit, the other because they can't vote? What weird comparisons... But really? Comparing the gay movement to the suffering that many native americans and blacks went through? Fucking really? Are you that much of a jackass to not see such a huge difference? Native americans...Genocide, rape, cultural destruction, land stolen and destroyed. Gays...Cultural intolerance. Slaves. In many cases incapable of acquiring freedom, lifelong indebtment to their master. In some situations mistreatment via physical beatings, rape, and death. Gays...Can't marry. My God...You're a moron. I really hate personally insulting somebody in a fairly civil discussion. But you really compared a group of people that rally together based on their sexual orientation and haven't been culturally accepted, to groups of people that have gone through horrible atrocities to in some situations, themselves and their family, or to expand to their entire culture. You're a fucking moron. None of my family has native american ancestry, or to indentured servants nor slaves. But to me...Even me...That's damn offensive. P.S. Welcome to the twenty first century? Ancient aboriginals, greeks, romans, gauls, all had cases of same sex sodomy in their culture? How is this anyway new?

Look here you fucking case work file proof of the need for abortion.

Did I strike a nerve? Seems so. This shall be fun. I'll have to count how many ad hominems and straw men you pull out to make this so obviously astute argument.

 

You hypocrite who probably uses God's name in vain constantly as you flail violently at your inadequate sized penis

A phallic ad hominem? Whoaaaaaaa...I haven't even seen one of those since I stopped talking to closeted homosexual frat boys. But I applaud you for a chuckle. It's amusing.

And I've never used God's name in vain, it always has a point. Though I do not figure how this has any pertinence.

to try and reason why you loathe your pathetic self and to justify your inequated hate towards those you don't understand.

Who do I hate exactly? Well except myself obviously, since you said so.

Although I personally think anyone who is so ridiculously close minded to be inable to accept someone elses beliefs and so immaturely and violently attacks them via a messageboard, whilst screaming and hammering at the keyboard so aggressively that the whole apartment complex is wondering if an isolated earthquake is happening.

Seems you're the self hating one.

Discrimination, supression of rights, and demonizing of others is probably the only fucking grasp of equality you're even half way aware of.

Goosfrabah...Goosfrabah. You're going to have an aneurism if you do not calm down.

Does butt sex always make you this angry?

Is marriage a part of the American culture? Is the right to marriage equal to people in this land? No. The answer to both is not. Gays and lesbians, who are Americans, many great Christians-

The right to marriage should be left to the religious institutions discretion. If they decide to marry homosexuals, they're abominable hypocrites who wouldn't know the verses from the paper they snort their cocaine through.

And how exactly can homosexuals be great christians when they are a complete and utter abomination in the eyes of their God throughout many scriptures saying they will never enter into the Kingdom of God, and are deserved to be executed?

& more so than you'll ever be,

More so what? A "great christian". Uhh..Well...Considering i'm not a Christian...

are denied a basic human right on their native soil. So your first ramble decimated, thanks for playing. But the King isn't done yet.

Marriage is not a basic human right. Sorry.

And my first ramble decimated? Really? Did you even read my post? At all? Half of your rant is some freakish obsession about my dick, the other half, attempting to personally attack me with a tinge of some angry tirade thrown in.

Next... Have gays been raped by straight people? Happens a lot in Texas as a way to show'em. Have they been murdered? Have they been forced to commit suicide? Yes. Have you not paid attention to the things happneing around you in the year 2011? No. You're one of those people who is purpousfully ignorant. And I hope you fucking die.

Lol...Sorry. Just how angry you are kind of amuses me, "YOU DON"T AGREE WITH ME? I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE!". It's like argueing with a methed out 16 year old on her people.

And of course hate crimes have happened. All kinds of hate crimes. Black on white. White on black. Homosexuals being raped by straight people. Straight people being raped by homosexuals. Oh wow...Individuals attacking each other...Oh the horror. Obviously this is a weak comparison to government genocide. Individuals comitting crimes...Damn you're dense.

And no one is forced to commit suicide. If you commit suicide, chances are, you're a weak willed excuse for a human being. "Oh noes...I got bullied. I'm gonna kill myself."

No one has any intestinal fortitude anymore. But hey...suicide is just another term for natural selection.

Still if you're ass enough to read this through.

Your offended because you're stupid.

Ad hominem alert...Ring the alarm!

I stand by my statements and I'm willing to have you check them against their equals. Homosexuality isn't something that's "okay" to have a bias against. The Native Americans, the Blacks, women, and workers know what it's like to have people who mis-read the bible and twists God's word to justify their own bigotry first hand. 

Having a bias towards something equal to, Mass murder.

Yep. Definitely see the comparison. Your logic is infallible!

We should most definitely create laws where you will be executed if you are biased.

Then soon after, all the nations of the world will send off all their nuclear bombs to cause mass extinction, because we've all comitted the same crime.

Please...Go see a neurologist.

But the twentith century showed progress on their struggles.

Thus, why I'm excited to see that there are people fighting against hate in the 21st century. That footnote I was talking about wasn't a direct comparison, but then again you're a well proved idiot. It was stating oversight for leaving the LGBT community out the last century.

And the ad hominem alarm is sound again!

Not a direction comparison? Really? Oh yes...You're right. In fact you said it pales to the persecution of the LGBT community.

I'm happy to do my part, and I'd be willing to make you choke on your own fucking teeth if it meant that I could spare someone who has a different sexuial orientation other than my own any sort of petty judgement an internet fuckwit like you.

The ridiculously high amounts of hypocrisy and empty threats of violence amuse me. Shows who the truly close minded one is, doesn't it? 

You're going to go to hell a hateful little child molester with a hard drive filled with gay lolicon. Because it's always your type who do the true evils in this world.

My type? What's my type?

Or do you mean the type that is so intolerant of other peoples idea's that they make threats of violence, obsessive tirades about someones supposed lack of penal side, fantasizes about people who disagree that they die?

Now quit hating,

Only hate that is so obviously shown is every word that comes out of your mouth towards people who do not share your ideals.

leave your tiny penis alone,

Obsessing about my penis again? Really?

and please shut your fucking mouth before you try and talk with adults again.

I'm conversing with adults? Are you sure about that? I need documentation. Because that's impossible.

You're terrible at debate,

Sorry not everyone can go off on obsessive tirades about peoples penises like you. I will admit, if that is what encompasses debate, you are the master.

and probably every thing else in life too. Get a job.

Wny? Liberals make it so much more appealing to be unemployed.

It'll fix that desire you have to spout off like an uneducated halfwit in the productive hours of the day.

Sorry I have not done enough psychadelic drugs to completely blur the lines of reality and ones own distorted illusion yet.

Share?

No use of your own words?


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6/27/11 1:09:36 AM#52
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by C-B-M

We have to accept homosexuality?  No, we don't.  I know that's what you guys WANT, which is really what this is all about.  As I stated, there is no actual reason that marriage is necessary -- any perceived (and it's merely perceived) inequity is easily remedied without marriage.  It's really not debatable.  There are LOTS of cohabitating heterosexual couples who aren't constantly railing about how they're being oppressed by society.  In other words, it's merely an issue intended to normalize and mainstream homosexuality.  I'd respect the proponents more if they just said that rather than trying to B.S. everyone like "I'm not allowed to see my gay lover in the hospital!!"

So denial of a service to someone who wishes for that service, that's widely availiable to others who are different than them, isn't inequality?

But yeah homosexuiality is a part of human nature. Denying it is ignorant.

But you just demonstrated the problem right there.  You who present marriage as some ultimate prize don't even care about it.  You consider it a "service."  Or, if you don't slip up, you call it a "right," which is equally incorrect.  The point is that homosexuals basically are acting like little kids -- they just want it to say they have it, not because they actually care about it.  Then they make up these idiotic arguments like "I can't inherit stuff because I'm gay!"  Hey, faggo, if it's that important to you, make out a will like the rest of us.

Also, homosexuality is part of human nature, yes.  But it's in the same manner as all sorts of other fetishes and perversions.  Like, I can also claim that bestiality is part of human nature because some people are attracted to animals.  What's your point?

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OP  6/27/11 1:14:16 AM#53
Originally posted by C-B-M
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by C-B-M

We have to accept homosexuality?  No, we don't.  I know that's what you guys WANT, which is really what this is all about.  As I stated, there is no actual reason that marriage is necessary -- any perceived (and it's merely perceived) inequity is easily remedied without marriage.  It's really not debatable.  There are LOTS of cohabitating heterosexual couples who aren't constantly railing about how they're being oppressed by society.  In other words, it's merely an issue intended to normalize and mainstream homosexuality.  I'd respect the proponents more if they just said that rather than trying to B.S. everyone like "I'm not allowed to see my gay lover in the hospital!!"

So denial of a service to someone who wishes for that service, that's widely availiable to others who are different than them, isn't inequality?

But yeah homosexuiality is a part of human nature. Denying it is ignorant.

But you just demonstrated the problem right there.  You who present marriage as some ultimate prize don't even care about it.  You consider it a "service."  Or, if you don't slip up, you call it a "right," which is equally incorrect.  The point is that homosexuals basically are acting like little kids -- they just want it to say they have it, not because they actually care about it.  Then they make up these idiotic arguments like "I can't inherit stuff because I'm gay!"  Hey, faggo, if it's that important to you, make out a will like the rest of us.

Also, homosexuality is part of human nature, yes.  But it's in the same manner as all sorts of other fetishes and perversions.  Like, I can also claim that bestiality is part of human nature because some people are attracted to animals.  What's your point?

So you're saying denying someone something that others can have isn't an act of inequality?

Also, you're probably from a state where someone has legally married a cow. 

And let me ask you this; if two consenting sentient creatures wish to have sex; that's the same as the molestation of an animal? You're some kind of sick fuck.


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  C-B-M

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6/27/11 7:23:45 AM#54
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

So you're saying denying someone something that others can have isn't an act of inequality?

Also, you're probably from a state where someone has legally married a cow. 

And let me ask you this; if two consenting sentient creatures wish to have sex; that's the same as the molestation of an animal? You're some kind of sick fuck.

Oh, it's an act of inequality.  That's obvious.  Your error, however, is in thinking that the inequality must be redressed.  It's like saying poor people can't get loans.  That's an inequality, too.  So what?

No, I'm not aware of any person marrying a cow.  But even if they had, who cares, right?  How does that affect you, right?

Also, as to your last question: yes.

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6/27/11 7:25:03 AM#55
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by Finwe
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
Originally posted by Finwe
Originally posted by King_Kumquat

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/25/us-gaymarriage-newyork-idUSTRE75N5ZA20110625

About time if you ask me. 

The King would never make the claim: "For liberty and justice for all*." and leave such a huge footnote. What America did to the aboriginal people, slaves, women, and workers pales to the persecution of the LGBT community; based mostly on the time line of it all.

Welcome to the 21st century America.

The King welcomes you, and will bide his reign of total subjugation.

 

To reiterate what Zind said two posts above me. That is one of the most asinine, absurd, and completely ridiculously retarded statements I've ever heard. Native americans were exterminated in large part by genocide. Even before the foundation of the U.S. as a sovereign nation. Their lands were stolen, culture destroyed, people murdered. But...Oh yah. That's soooo what the gay's are going through. Native Americans, slaves. But women and workers? One because their pay is shit, the other because they can't vote? What weird comparisons... But really? Comparing the gay movement to the suffering that many native americans and blacks went through? Fucking really? Are you that much of a jackass to not see such a huge difference? Native americans...Genocide, rape, cultural destruction, land stolen and destroyed. Gays...Cultural intolerance. Slaves. In many cases incapable of acquiring freedom, lifelong indebtment to their master. In some situations mistreatment via physical beatings, rape, and death. Gays...Can't marry. My God...You're a moron. I really hate personally insulting somebody in a fairly civil discussion. But you really compared a group of people that rally together based on their sexual orientation and haven't been culturally accepted, to groups of people that have gone through horrible atrocities to in some situations, themselves and their family, or to expand to their entire culture. You're a fucking moron. None of my family has native american ancestry, or to indentured servants nor slaves. But to me...Even me...That's damn offensive. P.S. Welcome to the twenty first century? Ancient aboriginals, greeks, romans, gauls, all had cases of same sex sodomy in their culture? How is this anyway new?

Look here you fucking case work file proof of the need for abortion.

Did I strike a nerve? Seems so. This shall be fun. I'll have to count how many ad hominems and straw men you pull out to make this so obviously astute argument.

 

You hypocrite who probably uses God's name in vain constantly as you flail violently at your inadequate sized penis

A phallic ad hominem? Whoaaaaaaa...I haven't even seen one of those since I stopped talking to closeted homosexual frat boys. But I applaud you for a chuckle. It's amusing.

And I've never used God's name in vain, it always has a point. Though I do not figure how this has any pertinence.

to try and reason why you loathe your pathetic self and to justify your inequated hate towards those you don't understand.

Who do I hate exactly? Well except myself obviously, since you said so.

Although I personally think anyone who is so ridiculously close minded to be inable to accept someone elses beliefs and so immaturely and violently attacks them via a messageboard, whilst screaming and hammering at the keyboard so aggressively that the whole apartment complex is wondering if an isolated earthquake is happening.

Seems you're the self hating one.

Discrimination, supression of rights, and demonizing of others is probably the only fucking grasp of equality you're even half way aware of.

Goosfrabah...Goosfrabah. You're going to have an aneurism if you do not calm down.

Does butt sex always make you this angry?

Is marriage a part of the American culture? Is the right to marriage equal to people in this land? No. The answer to both is not. Gays and lesbians, who are Americans, many great Christians-

The right to marriage should be left to the religious institutions discretion. If they decide to marry homosexuals, they're abominable hypocrites who wouldn't know the verses from the paper they snort their cocaine through.

And how exactly can homosexuals be great christians when they are a complete and utter abomination in the eyes of their God throughout many scriptures saying they will never enter into the Kingdom of God, and are deserved to be executed?

& more so than you'll ever be,

More so what? A "great christian". Uhh..Well...Considering i'm not a Christian...

are denied a basic human right on their native soil. So your first ramble decimated, thanks for playing. But the King isn't done yet.

Marriage is not a basic human right. Sorry.

And my first ramble decimated? Really? Did you even read my post? At all? Half of your rant is some freakish obsession about my dick, the other half, attempting to personally attack me with a tinge of some angry tirade thrown in.

Next... Have gays been raped by straight people? Happens a lot in Texas as a way to show'em. Have they been murdered? Have they been forced to commit suicide? Yes. Have you not paid attention to the things happneing around you in the year 2011? No. You're one of those people who is purpousfully ignorant. And I hope you fucking die.

Lol...Sorry. Just how angry you are kind of amuses me, "YOU DON"T AGREE WITH ME? I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE!". It's like argueing with a methed out 16 year old on her people.

And of course hate crimes have happened. All kinds of hate crimes. Black on white. White on black. Homosexuals being raped by straight people. Straight people being raped by homosexuals. Oh wow...Individuals attacking each other...Oh the horror. Obviously this is a weak comparison to government genocide. Individuals comitting crimes...Damn you're dense.

And no one is forced to commit suicide. If you commit suicide, chances are, you're a weak willed excuse for a human being. "Oh noes...I got bullied. I'm gonna kill myself."

No one has any intestinal fortitude anymore. But hey...suicide is just another term for natural selection.

Still if you're ass enough to read this through.

Your offended because you're stupid.

Ad hominem alert...Ring the alarm!

I stand by my statements and I'm willing to have you check them against their equals. Homosexuality isn't something that's "okay" to have a bias against. The Native Americans, the Blacks, women, and workers know what it's like to have people who mis-read the bible and twists God's word to justify their own bigotry first hand. 

Having a bias towards something equal to, Mass murder.

Yep. Definitely see the comparison. Your logic is infallible!

We should most definitely create laws where you will be executed if you are biased.

Then soon after, all the nations of the world will send off all their nuclear bombs to cause mass extinction, because we've all comitted the same crime.

Please...Go see a neurologist.

But the twentith century showed progress on their struggles.

Thus, why I'm excited to see that there are people fighting against hate in the 21st century. That footnote I was talking about wasn't a direct comparison, but then again you're a well proved idiot. It was stating oversight for leaving the LGBT community out the last century.

And the ad hominem alarm is sound again!

Not a direction comparison? Really? Oh yes...You're right. In fact you said it pales to the persecution of the LGBT community.

I'm happy to do my part, and I'd be willing to make you choke on your own fucking teeth if it meant that I could spare someone who has a different sexuial orientation other than my own any sort of petty judgement an internet fuckwit like you.

The ridiculously high amounts of hypocrisy and empty threats of violence amuse me. Shows who the truly close minded one is, doesn't it? 

You're going to go to hell a hateful little child molester with a hard drive filled with gay lolicon. Because it's always your type who do the true evils in this world.

My type? What's my type?

Or do you mean the type that is so intolerant of other peoples idea's that they make threats of violence, obsessive tirades about someones supposed lack of penal side, fantasizes about people who disagree that they die?

Now quit hating,

Only hate that is so obviously shown is every word that comes out of your mouth towards people who do not share your ideals.

leave your tiny penis alone,

Obsessing about my penis again? Really?

and please shut your fucking mouth before you try and talk with adults again.

I'm conversing with adults? Are you sure about that? I need documentation. Because that's impossible.

You're terrible at debate,

Sorry not everyone can go off on obsessive tirades about peoples penises like you. I will admit, if that is what encompasses debate, you are the master.

and probably every thing else in life too. Get a job.

Wny? Liberals make it so much more appealing to be unemployed.

It'll fix that desire you have to spout off like an uneducated halfwit in the productive hours of the day.

Sorry I have not done enough psychadelic drugs to completely blur the lines of reality and ones own distorted illusion yet.

Share?

No use of your own words?

Would that be your attempt at conceding my debate?

Or are you unable to actually be able to read the difference between bold, and unbold.

It's a pretty scathing difference...

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6/27/11 8:34:57 AM#56
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
 

So you're saying denying someone something that others can have isn't an act of inequality?

 

 

Since I am denied it too, what's the problem?

Why would I want gay people to be more equal than me?

 

Also i agree with CBM.

Tolerance is not about forcing equality on everyone, it is about celebrating our differences.

 

Gay couples are not Hetero couples. They are different that's why we give them different names. I want them to be treated differently because they are different.  

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6/27/11 8:37:54 AM#57
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
 

 

Second, gay couples getting married are different than you and your Mom, by more than just the fact that they have sex.

Some people may get married, and NOT have children, or even be able to have children. For example, elderly couples in their 60's often marry, but cannot have children. Therefore marriage is NOT only a bout children.

What marriage is about is SUPPORT.

 What living with my mum is about is support too. What living with anyone is about, is SUPPORT. We aren't going to have children either.

A shared house with your uni mates is about SUPPORT.

What justification do you have to offer gay people more support than the rest of us?

 

Why does your sexuality make any difference?

Why would I and my mum not want alimony if we split up but a gay couple would?

Is there something about not having fucked eachother that means we don't need money or housing?

What if I start slipping it to her... can I have alimony then?

 

 

I'm just about willing to accept children as a reasonable difference. (Or even the reasonable expectation to have children). But not sexual preference. Sorry.

 

And if married hetero people without children get tax breaks i and my mum don't, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Sharing expenses is not support.

paying ALIMONY is support.

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6/27/11 8:42:13 AM#58
Originally posted by C-B-M

We have to accept homosexuality?  No, we don't.  I know that's what you guys WANT, which is really what this is all about.  As I stated, there is no actual reason that marriage is necessary -- any perceived (and it's merely perceived) inequity is easily remedied without marriage.  It's really not debatable.  There are LOTS of cohabitating heterosexual couples who aren't constantly railing about how they're being oppressed by society.  In other words, it's merely an issue intended to normalize and mainstream homosexuality.  I'd respect the proponents more if they just said that rather than trying to B.S. everyone like "I'm not allowed to see my gay lover in the hospital!!"

 

ALIMONY.

That is really the only thing you get with MARRIAGE, that you can't get with some other legal recourse.

And perhaps getting on your spouses medical Insurance.

IMO, medical Insurance should have nothing to do with your job. Your job doesn't buy your groceries, why should they buy your medical insurance?

So really, that' leaves one thing yuo get with marriage, and no where else. ALIMONY.

People that get married are commiting to supporting each other.

In other words, if they split up, the one making the most money, will pay the other one each month.

People living together are not making that committment.

Has nothing to do with gay or straight.

Because that's the only thing you get with marriage, instead of living together. ALIMONY.

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6/27/11 8:42:49 AM#59

Paying all the expenses. That is support.

Paying the bulk of expenses. That is support.

 

sharing equally the expoenses. is mutual support.

So a bunch of students all club I and together they can afford to rent a house.

 

If I kick my 72 year old mother out on the street along with my gay lover, why would she no longer need my support, but he would?

What utter nonsense you talk.

 

Needing support has nothing whatsoever to do with your sexuality.

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6/27/11 8:44:06 AM#60
Originally posted by baff
Originally posted by King_Kumquat
 

So you're saying denying someone something that others can have isn't an act of inequality?

 

 

Since I am denied it too, what's the problem?

Why would I want gay people to be more equal than me?

 

Also i agree with CBM.

Tolerance is not about forcing equality on everyone, it is about celebrating our differences.

 

Gay couples are not Hetero couples. They are different that's why we give them different names. I want them to be treated differently because they are different.  

 

This is a facetious argument.

You would be equal.

You could marry a man or a woman.

A gay person could marry a man or a woman.

There is no inequality.

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