I was wondering who resubscribing to see incarna and how long have you been gone?

I've been unsubcribe for just less than a year. In middle of no where out in 0.0 space with negative secuirty status with less than 10m isk. Thankfully I have some ships. Now, I have to try to crawl my way back to high sec to earn isk and find a good corp.

im not resubbing because CCP hasnt done anything to improve their "space" game for over 2 years. they promised they'll start looking at FW, nullsec and ship balance around December, so i will probably try the game again in a year or so. i last played about 3 months ago, and vets are actually leaving en masse. my pvp corp dissolved out of boredom and most members (all 5+ year old chars) quit for good.

on the other hand, there's an influx of new players who are "oooh-aaaahing" over Incarna. so there you go.

Originally posted by sonoggi

im not resubbing because CCP hasnt done anything to improve their "space" game for over 2 years. they promised they'll start looking at FW, nullsec and ship balance around December, so i will probably try the game again in a year or so. i last played about 3 months ago, and vets are actually leaving en masse. my pvp corp dissolved out of boredom and most members (all 5+ year old chars) quit for good.

on the other hand, there's an influx of new players who are "oooh-aaaahing" over Incarna. so there you go.

WoW get an expansion every 2 years aswell. What are you complaining about?

Wasn't it just a little awhile ago they added some PvE elements. Incursions or something.

I can understand balance frustrations. I only got missile ships myself.

Originally posted by Devalon

Originally posted by sonoggi

im not resubbing because CCP hasnt done anything to improve their "space" game for over 2 years. they promised they'll start looking at FW, nullsec and ship balance around December, so i will probably try the game again in a year or so. i last played about 3 months ago, and vets are actually leaving en masse. my pvp corp dissolved out of boredom and most members (all 5+ year old chars) quit for good.

on the other hand, there's an influx of new players who are "oooh-aaaahing" over Incarna. so there you go.

WoW get an expansion every 2 years aswell. What are you complaining about?

Wasn't it just a little awhile ago they added some PvE elements. Incursions or something.

I can understand balance frustrations. I only got missile ships myself.

I do not get it either.  CCP has been adding more content with every "free" expansion and all these people can do is cry about it.  Granted Incarna will take some time to roll out all they have planned and the first patch is only CQ's, but who cares, CCP is keeping their promise and adding WIS.  That is enough for me.   

I might resub for Incarna as I really like the concept, but having only captain's quarters to fool around with is not enough. I'll wait for a bit still (also depending on how long Swtor will entertain me).

p.s. CCP having done nothing to improve their space game in the past two years is a lie. They might not have done enough for some (as they have been very busy with EVE's longevity in the form of Incarna and the link with Dust, starting with planetary interaction) yet there have been expansions, events, some new ships and new content in that period.

It always surprised me how many people aren't happy with CCP's continuing development of EVE. You'd wish every developer was so dedicated to their games as CCP is.

I guess everyone is so much in love with EvE that they'd hate to see her steered in a wrong direction. Of course 'wrong' is very subjective here.

Incarna has really upset the whiny biatches who comprise a minority of Eve.  The forums have a few threads they flock to where they all whine about getting to walk around stations.  God knows why.  Something about the computers they have used to run 'Pong' fine and now they have to get a real computer to stop the lag they get walking around a room in Eve.

I am, though I've never been able to play EVE for more than a month. I usually get bored after running a lot of missions or trying to mine, but i figure i'd give it another shot.

Being able to get out of your ship is a huge upgrade for me though. Even though we'll only be able to walk around in CQ's, this is going to make the game a lot more engaging for me. I'll feel a lot more in character. At least thats what I imagine will be the case.

The inability to leave your ship was a game breaker for me originally.

Originally posted by sonoggi

im not resubbing because CCP hasnt done anything to improve their "space" game for over 2 years. they promised they'll start looking at FW, nullsec and ship balance around December, so i will probably try the game again in a year or so. i last played about 3 months ago, and vets are actually leaving en masse. my pvp corp dissolved out of boredom and most members (all 5+ year old chars) quit for good.

on the other hand, there's an influx of new players who are "oooh-aaaahing" over Incarna. so there you go.

Vets leaving en masse? Where is this truthfull and complete source you get this information from...

And frankly, if people played this game 5 years ago till now, I see no reason to leave, since tomorrow´s expansion is the first of many awesome Incarna additions to EvE. It only brings goodness.

I think you´re just being dramatical. Next thing you know, you´lle say you left because of the Nobe Exchange .

Originally posted by DarkPony

It always surprised me how many people aren't happy with CCP's continuing development of EVE. You'd wish every developer was so dedicated to their games as CCP is.

it has nothing to do with fanaticism, i.e. wanting a game to go one way or another and not getting one's way. you are surprised because you probably haven't played enough to understand the issues at the game's CORE. many ships and some ship roles are completely useless; the new faction toys that were introduced are unbalanced. basically, anything concerning PVP has been abandoned: FW, ship balancing, nullsec, etc. CCP admitted to committing most of their devs to Incarna...there's only a small team working on everything else (i think 2 people, could be wrong). CCP has abandoned everything relating to the "dynamic" universe of EVE (i.e. the PVP).

if you play PVE exclusively, then i can see why you wouldnt have anything to complain about.

btw, theyre far from delivering on WiS. with the upcoming patch, youre getting one room for one race the size of a large closet and even that is glitched as hell. some of the new turret graphics are completely broken. dynamic lighting is glitched as well, many light sources dont make sense as demonstrated by a couple youtube vids.

as for vets leaving en masse, of course i have no hard evidence. but at least 3 dozen individuals from my alliance, corp and related corps, who have been playing for a long time, are throwing in the towel...and these are only the people i know in the small chunk of the map. there's simply nothing for them to do.

i would love for Incarna to bring something new and interesting to the game. instead, it's simply blocking the development of everything else. maybe in a year or two we'll see something decent come out of this.

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As for Incarna... Yes I resubbed about a month and a half ago after a long absence because not being able to be 'you' was my only real gripe about EVE in the past. I have however found out from playing Incusion that EVE is a very different game than what I remember from years back. Surprisingly all of the changes have been very much for the better in my opinion and Incarna will be the icing on the cake for me. I see me playing for a very long time to come if Incarna is half of what they claim it will be.

Bren

Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by DarkPony

It always surprised me how many people aren't happy with CCP's continuing development of EVE. You'd wish every developer was so dedicated to their games as CCP is.

 

it has nothing to do with fanaticism, i.e. wanting a game to go one way or another and not getting one's way. you are surprised because you probably haven't played enough to understand the issues at the game's CORE. many ships and some ship roles are completely useless; the new faction toys that were introduced are unbalanced. basically, anything concerning PVP has been abandoned: FW, ship balancing, nullsec, etc. CCP admitted to committing most of their devs to Incarna...there's only a small team working on everything else (i think 2 people, could be wrong). CCP has abandoned everything relating to the "dynamic" universe of EVE (i.e. the PVP).

if you play PVE exclusively, then i can see why you wouldnt have anything to complain about.

btw, theyre far from delivering on WiS. with the upcoming patch, youre getting one room for one race the size of a large closet and even that is glitched as hell. some of the new turret graphics are completely broken. dynamic lighting is glitched as well, many light sources dont make sense as demonstrated by a couple youtube vids.

as for vets leaving en masse, of course i have no hard evidence. but at least 3 dozen individuals from my alliance, corp and related corps, who have been playing for a long time, are throwing in the towel...and these are only the people i know in the small chunk of the map. there's simply nothing for them to do.

 

i would love for Incarna to bring something new and interesting to the game. instead, it's simply blocking the development of everything else. maybe in a year or two we'll see something decent come out of this.

Team BFF is more than 2 people. FFS you can't be that dense. Also from what I remember they still have 80 people working on all aspects of EVE including Incarna. Besides Team BFF there is Team Gridlock working on the performance side. If your average team is about 10 people that's still 25% of the EVE team working on the space game itself.

Also FYI Team BFF has already started the process of looking at ship balancing and SOV is slated for a revamp in the winter expansion.

And as I said in another thread. EVE's PVE has been in need of updating for far longer than it's PVP game has needed work so HTFU they'll get to it when they get to it.

Originally posted by sonoggi

 

as for vets leaving en masse, of course i have no hard evidence. but at least 3 dozen individuals from my alliance, corp and related corps, who have been playing for a long time, are throwing in the towel...and these are only the people i know in the small chunk of the map. there's simply nothing for them to do.

 

Althoug it is unlikely to happen.. it could have been easy for you to prove your statement with mention what alliance it is.

36 people around you quitting because of incarna. So how many usually quits if you can make some monthly avarage over the last year/years.  That people quits the game is nothing new, I think there is alot of posts here on mmorpg.com about that and taking that into judgement I hardly believe that there is so many vets still playing this game.

WIth that last part I mean that probably the whole EVE veteran contingent is less than 36 people...

Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by DarkPony

It always surprised me how many people aren't happy with CCP's continuing development of EVE. You'd wish every developer was so dedicated to their games as CCP is.

 

it has nothing to do with fanaticism, i.e. wanting a game to go one way or another and not getting one's way. you are surprised because you probably haven't played enough to understand the issues at the game's CORE. many ships and some ship roles are completely useless; the new faction toys that were introduced are unbalanced. basically, anything concerning PVP has been abandoned: FW, ship balancing, nullsec, etc. CCP admitted to committing most of their devs to Incarna...there's only a small team working on everything else (i think 2 people, could be wrong). CCP has abandoned everything relating to the "dynamic" universe of EVE (i.e. the PVP).

if you play PVE exclusively, then i can see why you wouldnt have anything to complain about.

I've played EVE on and off since early 2004, mainly doing small group and solo pvp, pirate gatecamp crashing, wormhole ganking, wardecs, merc jobs, suicide ganking and other small time pvp. I never experienced severe unbalance myself. Skill, tactics and loadout determine a fight's outcome for 95% provided you are a smart pilot and avoid those fights which are impossible to win.

Even if a part of the total range of ships is much less useful than others, there are still plenty that are great. And you aren't restricted to flying ships form a certain race either. So balance really isn't an issue at all. If you are unhappy about your ship, stop flying it and train for another one; balance case closed. In real life people don't complain that their Prius is no match for a 911 or a Veyron when they are out on the race track right?

And for roles ... the fact that there are so many in EVE (almost as many as there are ship classes) means that there will always be roles more nichey than others, but they still have a purpose ... at the right time, in the right place and in the right fleet. I love how the game allows for creative surprise tactics in that regard.

btw, theyre far from delivering on WiS. with the upcoming patch, youre getting one room for one race the size of a large closet and even that is glitched as hell. some of the new turret graphics are completely broken. dynamic lighting is glitched as well, many light sources dont make sense as demonstrated by a couple youtube vids.

as for vets leaving en masse, of course i have no hard evidence. but at least 3 dozen individuals from my alliance, corp and related corps, who have been playing for a long time, are throwing in the towel...and these are only the people i know in the small chunk of the map. there's simply nothing for them to do.

Nothing for them to do? Looks like they lack imagination and creativity. But possibly they are stuck in a dead end nulsec pocket or quiet w-hole and should stop making loads of isk through pve / manufacturing / mining and instead join militia's, roam lowsec, do some wardecs, blow up some hulks, trap some pirates, scam their host alliance for a hundred billion etc, etc.

 i would love for Incarna to bring something new and interesting to the game. instead, it's simply blocking the development of everything else. maybe in a year or two we'll see something decent come out of this.

Sure, it does make stuff go slower but in any proper sandbox game you shouldn't have to rely so much on devs to make your content anyway, as there is so much content to make yourself. Especially in EVE. Personally I think Incarna is really what EVE needs. A lot of people just don't realize it yet ^_^ We just have to suck it up that things don't go as fast as we would like them to go, but nonetheless, CCP is still one of the most committed companies regarding to their game's quality and longevity.

I've seen EVE develop from what it was close to launch to now and it has improved amazingly over the years.

continuously subscribed and I'll be here for it. Added an extra few hour or two on my extractors to accomodate downtime.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Nothing for them to do? Looks like they lack imagination and creativity. But possibly they are stuck in a dead end nulsec pocket or quiet w-hole and should stop making loads of isk through pve / manufacturing / mining and instead join militia's, roam lowsec, do some wardecs, blow up some hulks, trap some pirates, scam their host alliance for a hundred billion etc, etc.

dude...everyone did this stuff in like 2008 or earlier. i suggest you re-sub just to see how bad the game has become. FW is broken and dead, there's absolutely no reason to do it for PVP. small gang warfare is punished or pointless due to Drake blobs. lowsec is equally dead, pirating is dead, nullsec has become plagued by capital hotdrops and blobs as more players skilled up for caps,  etc etc. i was in one of the best PVP corps in the game, trust me we did it all. mostly we did small gang pvp in lowsec and nullsec, FW, and pirating. we tried all the PVE there is to do and believe me, half the people who play the game dont do it for the PVE.

How exactly does Incarna alleviate any of this? EVE doesnt need more players (even though more would be welcome); its features need overhauls and maintenance. every single significant feature of the game has been left to rot, and unless youre aware of this, then i dont believe you played since 2004.

Originally posted by zseal

I am, though I've never been able to play EVE for more than a month. I usually get bored after running a lot of missions or trying to mine, but i figure i'd give it another shot.

Being able to get out of your ship is a huge upgrade for me though. Even though we'll only be able to walk around in CQ's, this is going to make the game a lot more engaging for me. I'll feel a lot more in character. At least thats what I imagine will be the case.

The inability to leave your ship was a game breaker for me originally.

You've got to join corp man, its night and day - playing eve solo is just really not an option you know. :)

Originally posted by sonoggi

im not resubbing because CCP hasnt done anything to improve their "space" game for over 2 years. they promised they'll start looking at FW, nullsec and ship balance around December, so i will probably try the game again in a year or so. i last played about 3 months ago, and vets are actually leaving en masse. my pvp corp dissolved out of boredom and most members (all 5+ year old chars) quit for good.

on the other hand, there's an influx of new players who are "oooh-aaaahing" over Incarna. so there you go.

Er, the space game has improved quite a lot since the Dominion debacle. Lag is now the best it has ever been. Last night there were ~400 people fighting in G-0q, an NPC system (so therefore an unreinforced node) with no lag.

Team Gridlock and Team BFF have saved EVE as far as I have concerned

Could they have done more if the Incarna project had not been so appallingly mismanaged? Yes, of course, and I both rue and lament those wasted resources. But to say that nothing has been done for spaceships EVE is a straight up lie, and an insult to the understaffed, under-resourced teams that kept on working through the lean times.

As you can read from the devblogs, they've been putting considerable effort into improving and cleaning up the base code, work that doesn't result in flashy new ships or a bigger map, but which is extremely improtant for the ongoing health of the spaceships game.

There has been some minor ship balancing (eg: Incarna will now mean that ships can no longer be unprobeable). There has been some significant game rebalancing, with things like the Anomaly nerf, gaps in the plex list filled in, missing deadspace modules now actually available in game, etc. There have also been numerous minor UI and game improvements, which together have made EVE a nicer game to play.

None of these improvements have had their own expansion, they've been rolled out in numerous little mini-patches. This is objectively a superior way to work on the game, it just means that they dont benefit from the WOW factor of all being introduced together in a big expansion.

If you add them all up together, then they total a hell of a lot. That's what CCP used to do, and that's why the old expansions "felt" better.

So far as I am concerned, spaceships EVE is in the best shape it's been in since Winter 2006. I have concerns about the future, but right now, if you want to get in a ship and go and do some boat-violencing, then you've never had it so good. Shit works. I'm having fun.

(Unless you've only trained Hybrids, then life sucks I guess. Train projectiles or lasers, it wont take long.)

The winter* expansion will mark the end of the :18 months: CCP said they needed. It will be interesting to see what results.

*I suspect it'll actually be more like Feb/March '12

Dang, you got the "bitter-vet-flu" bad, sonoggi. Better go lie down.

As an eight year old EVE veteran I have luckely become mostly immune to this condition , though I must admit I have been there many times in the past myself.

Vets leaving? lol... good riddance is the only thing that can be said about that.   All the 5+ year vets are proper tits.

good thing about eve is that it does have a constant influx of new players... and they shall inherit the space, and hopefully bring some life back where the vets just moan like babies.

Yup, I'll be activating one of my accounts to check things out,  probably wont be playing all that much since I'm not in a corp.  Just chat to old friends, train some skills and set some planets harvesting.