This mindset has been boggling me for the longest time.

Almost all of us at one time or another have encoutered a concumer experience where we weren't exactly happy with the outcome. Indded, we were so unhappy with it that we decided not to conduct business with that restaurant, clothing store, hardware shop or whatever type of business it was, again. Which is absolutely normal and okay, right?

So why is it different when someone comes to the same decision about a game maker? Are they not a business as well? Are they not in the position of being held to a certain standard of quality in product? It seems as though some believe that these companies can just put out whatever they want in any shape they want and that all of us gamers are obligated to "just give it a try". Especialy if that company has gotten the game experience you wanted in the first place right (or were heading down the road to it) and then, to the protests of many, they change course and move the game a different direction.

People will jump to the head of the line to say that the company has the right to do what it wants with their game. And I agree. But why do I not have the right to choose not to play any of their games from that point on without being labeled as having an "issue". Well, I guess, yes I do have an issue. Bad customer service on the part of the company. 

And what happens if we don't, especially if we've had previous experience with a company and decide that we'd rather not play their games? We're labeled as having something mentally wrong or extremists. We're viewed upon as having something "wrong with us" if we are apathetic to something negative happening to said game companies.

Tunnel Vision. They had a great or good experience and they can't see how everyone else didn't have the same experience so it must have been something wrong with you or what you expected was non-realistic of the game (and by extension the creators).

At least, that's how I can see some people refusing to believe others not giving more chances.

My opinion is who cares what everyone else thinks?  Does it really matter? 

Also, everybody deserves a second chance, even games/companies you hate.  Sometimes things change.  It's up to you whether you want to do that, though. 

I gave SWG a second chance after the CU came out, and soon after the NGE hit ... I should have never gave them that second chance.

Sometimes I don't need to give them second chances, like Bioware. I really enjoyed KOTOR so I'm assuming that I'll enjoy TOR as well.

Does it really matter that much what others think of you? Or what they label you with? If you don't want to try a game or give another developer a chance, that's your prerogative. Who cares what others have to say about your decision.

People do and say stupid things all the time when it comes to something they're passionate about.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

This mindset has been boggling me for the longest time.

 

Almost all of us at one time or another have encoutered a concumer experience where we weren't exactly happy with the outcome. Indded, we were so unhappy with it that we decided not to conduct business with that restaurant, clothing store, hardware shop or whatever type of business it was, again. Which is absolutely normal and okay, right?

 

So why is it different when someone comes to the same decision about a game maker? Are they not a business as well? Are they not in the position of being held to a certain standard of quality in product? It seems as though some believe that these companies can just put out whatever they want in any shape they want and that all of us gamers are obligated to "just give it a try". Especialy if that company has gotten the game experience you wanted in the first place right (or were heading down the road to it) and then, to the protests of many, they change course and move the game a different direction.

 

People will jump to the head of the line to say that the company has the right to do what it wants with their game. And I agree. But why do I not have the right to choose not to play any of their games from that point on without being labeled as having an "issue". Well, I guess, yes I do have an issue. Bad customer service on the part of the company. 

 

And what happens if we don't, especially if we've had previous experience with a company and decide that we'd rather not play their games? We're labeled as having something mentally wrong or extremists. We're viewed upon as having something "wrong with us" if we are apathetic to something negative happening to said game companies.

  Interesting thread ...

*You is used in the hypothetical for the duration of this post *

 If you've given up on a company, then there is no reason for you to comment in threads related to that company or products they have released. You're done with the company .. you've spoken with your wallet, theres no reason to skim threads at that point.

When you do ... I and others have ample legitimacy in claiming you have an issue. Clearly if you were done with the company as previously stated .. you would have no further reason to comment on it at all.

/shrug .... I'm not sure why you would exspect anything less.

Well everybody has their own tolerance level.  It takes a lot to push me over the edge, to make the decision not to go back to a business or a game.

Take for instance SWG,  I hung around after the cu, and the nge was finally the last straw.  I went back a couple of times when i was given like free access.  I quit the game but not the game company I still play eq2 as it was something I liked.

Then you have games like war hammer, AOC, STO. LOTRO.  Now these guys all drove me away forever, as they had nothing else to offer, nothing but greed.

Now we can go over business folks I used to go to Ruby Tuesday.  A few years back they decided to change everything. They changed the decor, and the entire menu.  There is nothing on the menu now that I like to enjoy, so I don't shop with them.   Take a look at outback they changed their entire menu as well, and jacked up the prices while decreasing the portion size, it took them about 6 month to figure it out and make a comeback,  however Ruby Tuesday has not learned,  I can drive by there on a Friday night and there's 10 cars in the parking lot most of them employees, 2 miles down the road Outback so packed that folks are waiting outside to get a seat.   People speak with their wallet.

I also speak to my wallet,  and if I decide to give up on a game or game company that's on me. No amount of posting going you don't know what you talking about or private messages calling me a game hater is going to change my mind.

Like I said it all comes down to your tolerance on how a game runs, or a game company does business.

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

This mindset has been boggling me for the longest time.

 

Almost all of us at one time or another have encoutered a concumer experience where we weren't exactly happy with the outcome. Indded, we were so unhappy with it that we decided not to conduct business with that restaurant, clothing store, hardware shop or whatever type of business it was, again. Which is absolutely normal and okay, right?

 

So why is it different when someone comes to the same decision about a game maker? Are they not a business as well? Are they not in the position of being held to a certain standard of quality in product? It seems as though some believe that these companies can just put out whatever they want in any shape they want and that all of us gamers are obligated to "just give it a try". Especialy if that company has gotten the game experience you wanted in the first place right (or were heading down the road to it) and then, to the protests of many, they change course and move the game a different direction.

 

People will jump to the head of the line to say that the company has the right to do what it wants with their game. And I agree. But why do I not have the right to choose not to play any of their games from that point on without being labeled as having an "issue". Well, I guess, yes I do have an issue. Bad customer service on the part of the company. 

 

And what happens if we don't, especially if we've had previous experience with a company and decide that we'd rather not play their games? We're labeled as having something mentally wrong or extremists. We're viewed upon as having something "wrong with us" if we are apathetic to something negative happening to said game companies.

  Interesting thread ...

*You is used in the hypothetical for the duration of this post *

 If you've given up on a company, then there is no reason for you to comment in threads related to that company or products they have released. You're done with the company .. you've spoken with your wallet, theres no reason to skim threads at that point.

When you do ... I and others have ample legitimacy in claiming you have an issue. Clearly if you were done with the company as previously stated .. you would have no further reason to comment on it at all.

/shrug .... I'm not sure why you would exspect anything less.

In every single situation that isn't a Game company, warning the general public about poor quality would be considered a public service. In the MMO world, you're just a loser and a hater. It's called a double standard, and that's the point of the OP I believe.

I guess that all depends on why you didnt like the game/business in the first place.

If it was bad customer service or something like that, might be worth going back if they had fired the insolent bastard or changed their policy on whatever your issue was.. 

If the store had a confusing layout where you could never find anything... might be worth going back for the grand reopening.. 

If a bartender couldnt make your obscure bacon flavored banana/pineapple vodka armanac dreamboat surprize because he had no clue what it was or didnt have bananas or was discusted by  your request. and you stormed out under a thundercloud... Maybe someone might point out to you that they have 639 different kinds of beer and can make 1700 other drinks.. and you might like one of those.. It might be worth it going back for a second look.

But if there was nothing you liked about it in the first place.. and you really only went in there to use the bathroom... well unless you really really need to take a dump.. dont go back.

You have the right to boycott the publisher or developer of a game, and we have the right to say you have an issue.  Deal with it.

Originally posted by Damon

You have the right to boycott the publisher or developer of a game, and we have the right to say you have an issue.  Deal with it.

This thread isn't about having rights, you missed the point.

Because we're individuals, and thus, our experiences and tastes , even playing the same games, are not the same.

Originally posted by ichimarunico

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

This mindset has been boggling me for the longest time.

 

Almost all of us at one time or another have encoutered a concumer experience where we weren't exactly happy with the outcome. Indded, we were so unhappy with it that we decided not to conduct business with that restaurant, clothing store, hardware shop or whatever type of business it was, again. Which is absolutely normal and okay, right?

 

So why is it different when someone comes to the same decision about a game maker? Are they not a business as well? Are they not in the position of being held to a certain standard of quality in product? It seems as though some believe that these companies can just put out whatever they want in any shape they want and that all of us gamers are obligated to "just give it a try". Especialy if that company has gotten the game experience you wanted in the first place right (or were heading down the road to it) and then, to the protests of many, they change course and move the game a different direction.

 

People will jump to the head of the line to say that the company has the right to do what it wants with their game. And I agree. But why do I not have the right to choose not to play any of their games from that point on without being labeled as having an "issue". Well, I guess, yes I do have an issue. Bad customer service on the part of the company. 

 

And what happens if we don't, especially if we've had previous experience with a company and decide that we'd rather not play their games? We're labeled as having something mentally wrong or extremists. We're viewed upon as having something "wrong with us" if we are apathetic to something negative happening to said game companies.

  Interesting thread ...

*You is used in the hypothetical for the duration of this post *

 If you've given up on a company, then there is no reason for you to comment in threads related to that company or products they have released. You're done with the company .. you've spoken with your wallet, theres no reason to skim threads at that point.

When you do ... I and others have ample legitimacy in claiming you have an issue. Clearly if you were done with the company as previously stated .. you would have no further reason to comment on it at all.

/shrug .... I'm not sure why you would exspect anything less.

In every single situation that isn't a Game company, warning the general public about poor quality would be considered a public service. In the MMO world, you're just a loser and a hater. It's called a double standard, and that's the point of the OP I believe.

 Its not an "issue" of warning the general public.

The two opinions on the game differ, something obviously pushed "you" so hard you will no longer play the game nor contribute to the developer. Where as "I" did not have the experience .. nor have I come to the same conclusion ;  therefor unless the product is Broken/Defective there is nothing for "you" to warn the general public about.

Apples to Oranges ...

If you don't want someone to label you, or generate an impression of you  ....  then never express yourself.

People don't expect others to give a game a second chance. They want you to quit whining about not wanting to play the game.

If you come to a public forum and express an opinion about a game, someone (especially here) is going to argue with you about it. That doesn't mean they want you to give the game a second chance, it means they want to argue with you about it.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

This mindset has been boggling me for the longest time.

 

Almost all of us at one time or another have encoutered a concumer experience where we weren't exactly happy with the outcome. Indded, we were so unhappy with it that we decided not to conduct business with that restaurant, clothing store, hardware shop or whatever type of business it was, again. Which is absolutely normal and okay, right?

 

So why is it different when someone comes to the same decision about a game maker? Are they not a business as well? Are they not in the position of being held to a certain standard of quality in product? It seems as though some believe that these companies can just put out whatever they want in any shape they want and that all of us gamers are obligated to "just give it a try". Especialy if that company has gotten the game experience you wanted in the first place right (or were heading down the road to it) and then, to the protests of many, they change course and move the game a different direction.

 

People will jump to the head of the line to say that the company has the right to do what it wants with their game. And I agree. But why do I not have the right to choose not to play any of their games from that point on without being labeled as having an "issue". Well, I guess, yes I do have an issue. Bad customer service on the part of the company. 

 

And what happens if we don't, especially if we've had previous experience with a company and decide that we'd rather not play their games? We're labeled as having something mentally wrong or extremists. We're viewed upon as having something "wrong with us" if we are apathetic to something negative happening to said game companies.

I see nothing wrong with giving up hope a company will imporve their service(s). If that is how you feel so be it, and that's fine.

Of course you're going to have people making comments, especially on a site like this.

Now if you're referring to the hacking of SOE, and feeling apathetic towards that, I think you have to understand people may take offense to this. Escpecially in a situation where the consumer was hurt just as much, if not more than the Corp you have a problem with.

I'm not the OP, but I know what sort of situation he's talking about. And it's not just customer service.

If you go to a grocery store because they sell the items you like, but they decide to stop carrying 19 of the 20 items you pick up weekly. I have a feeling you would stop shopping there. Now say that this store makes a habit of changing its stock like this, and you want to warn people about it. YOU'RE A GOOD PERSON.

If you are playing a game and enjoying it, and suddenly the game has been fundamentally changed, removing your playstyle entirely in favor of Johnny Awesome's playstyle, are you going to continue to fund that company? Now say that this company makes a habit of completely changing the fundamentals and you want to warn people about it. God you're such a loser, you have an issue, get over it nerd.

See what I'm saying? Apples to apples.

I'm not seeing the issue.  I've been openly critical of several MMO makers over the years with the most notable being Cryptic and my own, personal feeling is they make poor games and I won't be playing anything they make.  (well, maybe with the recent change in ownership I could be persuaded to reconsider one day)

Does that mean I have issues?  I guess it does. So what, who cares?  I'm not a fan of Frogster either, again, my issue, others may love them, I don't care for the P2W formula that some of their titles seem to have.

I love CCP, think they're a great developer, others hate them with a passion. Do I care? No. Do they care that I don't care? No.

So what were we talking about again? 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Cryptic and my own, personal feeling is they make poor games and I won't be playing anything they make.  (well, maybe with the recent change in ownership I could be persuaded to reconsider one day)

 I'm not a fan of Frogster either, again, my issue, others may love them, I don't care for the P2W formula that some of their titles seem to have.

Just want to point out that Cryptic got picked up by one of the most notorious Pay-to-win companies in the mmo world... lol.

Originally posted by Kyleran

I'm not seeing the issue.  I've been openly critical of several MMO makers over the years with the most notable being Cryptic and my own, personal feeling is they make poor games and I won't be playing anything they make.  (well, maybe with the recent change in ownership I could be persuaded to reconsider one day)

Does that mean I have issues?  I guess it does. So what, who cares?  I'm not a fan of Frogster either, again, my issue, others may love them, I don't care for the P2W formula that some of their titles seem to have.

I love CCP, think they're a great developer, others hate them with a passion. Do I care? No. Do they care that I don't care? No.

So what were we talking about again? 

 You have issues ...

The above is what we are talking about, that I would point out you have issues ; it bothers the OP.

I think the minority of developer/game supporters took a few to many whacks at him, where as he should just ignore the more vocal minority.