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General Discussion  » Well, with all the white noise, there is only one way to see the truth here...

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  MadDemon64

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6/14/11 7:22:44 AM#21
Originally posted by Madoto

 

(mod edited)

First, I would like to apologise for my english.

Second, do you even read what mr. Smart says?He just congratulates the guy, because he admit that he made a mistake a year ago.What is wrong with that?Just because you hate mr. Smart it doesnt mean that he is a bad person.You cant admit when someone says the truth and you start insulting him.

If you are smart  enough you would give Alganon a try no matter what mr. Smart says or does, because the game is AWESOME, but people like you ruin it, because there are many other good players that dont play Alganon, because they read on the forums that some stupid kids whine and cry about Alganon and mr. Smart.Have you EVER played Alganon?Have you EVER reached more than 5 lvl?If not then dont say anything about the game, I have a max lvl character and I can say the game is AWESOME!!!They have some problems with the lag, but in the end of the day almost every game has lag.

Have a nice day everyone.

What Smart said was a backhanded comment.  It seemed like he was congratulating me, but in truth he was insulting me.  That is why people are hating on Smart in this thread; they are saying that the biggest reason why they are not playing Alganon is not because it has bad gameplay or anything, but it is Smart's behavior that is keeping them away.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  User Deleted
6/14/11 12:34:37 PM#22

Ok, I have a favor to ask, please don't hate here. If you dislike Mr. Smart go to a forum you do like because I love this game and want more players to have fun with. Thank you as a fellow gamer I hope you understand this.

Also, Mr Smart don't hang out here! I know you don't care what others say but your hurting us. It's that simple, go to the Alganon forum and voice your opinions there.

Now, I'm going to go kill stuff!

  cheeseheads

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6/15/11 4:13:20 AM#23

I for one dont mind this game. Been playing a little every now and then.  I personally dont like the big changes to the mana regen on the mages and priest but thats another story.  Made a account over here cuase its to hard to really say anything on there forums due to fanboys and others just hounding you for a opion. Mr Smart doesnt seem to bad just needs to find a better way to express himself.

  fallonfallon

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6/17/11 10:38:24 AM#24

I respect DS's honesty , and his strong views , and goals for Alganon. He knows what he wants as a delevoper , but  his people skills are just absolute crap. Cant take critism? Then why bother posting in the forums? So you can rage on the haters?

That just looks bad , and not very professional ! Another problem is that DS Stated that he doesnt care if we hate the game or dont play it. With an attitude like that your game will never do well..... well because you dont care !

If DS is happy with his small community of 100 players , well good for him for not setting the bar to high.

Word of advice to you DS... Maybe you should care...unless of coarse your happy with the playerbase.

Also raging on someone who admits his or her mistakes was the worst move i've seen. The person admitted to not giving the game a fair shot before hating on it. That took alot of courage to do.

What do you do DS?..instead of encouraging them to try it out. You push them away with negativity.

So to sum it up..If DS doesnt want an PR guy. Maybe DS needs to STFU and keep his personal feelings off the forums.

  FrodoFragins

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6/17/11 1:14:10 PM#25

At this point I believe QoL is working with a small, efficient team.  They probably can't afford to replace Tork.  This is unfortunate because Tork was exceptional at what he did.

 

If they can afford to replace him but choose not to, then that is a big mistake.  DS seems to know that he can rub people the wrong way.  Noone should ask him to change who he is, but they can ask him to let someone else try to attract new customers and keep the existing ones.

 

My personal opinion is that their official forums got hit with a heavy hammer once DS arrived, it had to be rainbows and unicorns or else it was getting in the way.  Players need to know that they can be honest and even criticize what DS says/does from time to time.

  Amjoco

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6/17/11 1:41:16 PM#26

I believe that for the sake of this game that I love to play, we should just not speak of "him" here. The less he is here the less bad publicity the game gets. I vote for only raving of the game here from now on. If we have problems we should bring it up on the Alganon forum. 

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  Nethermancer

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6/17/11 1:52:53 PM#27

I just wanted to say 2 things

 

I respect DS for being DS instead of putting on a PR mask. We need more of that in the gaming industry. 

I actaully think DS has done some great things with Alganon and  I dont think it deserves the hate it gets.

 

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  Mimzel

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6/17/11 2:02:00 PM#28

Mr. Smart, is it really clever to hire a whole dev team if you ended up building your game "from the ground up single handedly"?

In any case, I have respect for people who dare to be who they are and hold on to what they belive in. Even though it's not always very smart ;)

  dsmart

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6/17/11 7:18:10 PM#29

For the record

1. I had nothing to do with "Tork" leaving QOL. That was before my time.

2. We haven't hired a replacement community manager because the guys are doing just fine and it is a waste of money. You don't need to have a CM just because someone says that you do.

3. The forums were an unruly place before I came in. Then I asked the guys to enforce the TOS and without any exceptions. So guess what? Those who couldn't abide by them either left or were banned. No exceptions. I believe in quality, not quantity. And if the signal to noise ratio is low, then people will find information that much quicker without having to wade through a pile of crap. It is a gaming forum, not someone's backyard or living room where they can do as they please. Our house. Our rules.

The business of game development is not about a popularity contest. It is about principles and goals. I'm neither a diplomat nor a politician; so I don't need to impress anyone or be "one of the guys because it's kewl" so that I don't rub people the wrong way.

As long as myself and the team are achieving our goals - which we we're doing just fine - I don't particularly care about anything else - or what anyone says for that matter.

If you like the game, play it. If you don't like it, don't play it.

Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.

  MMO.Maverick

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6/17/11 7:22:46 PM#30
Originally posted by dsmart

3. The forums were an unruly place before I came in. Then I asked the guys to enforce the TOS and without any exceptions. So guess what? Those who couldn't abide by them either left of were banned. No exceptions. I believe in quantity, not quality. And if the signal to noise ratio is low, then people will find information that much quicker without having to wade through a pile of crap. It is a gaming forum, not someone's backyard or living room where they can do as they please. Our house. Our rules.

I guess this was a typo, or a Freudian slip up  If not, then it's not entirely clear what you mean.

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  dsmart

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6/18/11 9:36:34 AM#31

haha yah, typo on my part. I've said the same thing over and over already, so those who've seen already may recognize it as a typo. Thanks for pointing it out.

Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.

  nariusseldon

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6/21/11 1:03:28 PM#32
Originally posted by vesavius

So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.

 

Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.

  kakasaki

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6/21/11 2:03:28 PM#33
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by vesavius

So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.

 

Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.

But if it is free, why not try it out? Sorry, I just don't get your logic...

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  MadDemon64

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6/21/11 6:04:24 PM#34
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by vesavius

So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.

 

Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.

But if it is free, why not try it out? Sorry, I just don't get your logic...

His logic is that a long time ago, few games were free.  Mosts games required subscriptions.  Nowadays, more and more games are becoming free, and for every good free to play game, there are ten bad free to play games.  He is saying that you should be a smart consumer and think not about paying for games with money, but with time and disk space.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  kakasaki

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6/21/11 9:44:11 PM#35
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by vesavius

So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.

 

Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.

But if it is free, why not try it out? Sorry, I just don't get your logic...

His logic is that a long time ago, few games were free.  Mosts games required subscriptions.  Nowadays, more and more games are becoming free, and for every good free to play game, there are ten bad free to play games.  He is saying that you should be a smart consumer and think not about paying for games with money, but with time and disk space.

Ok, I see his point now. But, like I said, if it is free... by the very definition of free, it cost nothing to try. Hell, anyone with 30 min to burn can give a free game a whirl. What's the harm?

A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  Arthineas

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6/22/11 8:10:55 PM#36

Can't really say that I blame Derek Smart for sometimes blasting people for some of the stupid things they say.  It is amazing just how ignorant some players can be toward developers.  If you don't like a game just move on.

I for one am impressed that Mr. Smart takes the time to engage the community on various forums.  Plus  no one can doubt his passion for Alganon.  I have seen many companies throw in the towel on countless games way too early.  So a big thumbs up to you Mr. Smart for all your hard work and effort.  And thanks for not giving up on the game.

I look forward to exploring all that Alganon has to offer.

  lizardbones

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6/22/11 9:24:53 PM#37


Originally posted by kakasaki


Originally posted by MadDemon64


Originally posted by kakasaki



Originally posted by nariusseldon



Originally posted by vesavius


So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.


 
Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.


But if it is free, why not try it out? Sorry, I just don't get your logic...


His logic is that a long time ago, few games were free.  Mosts games required subscriptions.  Nowadays, more and more games are becoming free, and for every good free to play game, there are ten bad free to play games.  He is saying that you should be a smart consumer and think not about paying for games with money, but with time and disk space.


Ok, I see his point now. But, like I said, if it is free... by the very definition of free, it cost nothing to try. Hell, anyone with 30 min to burn can give a free game a whirl. What's the harm?



He dislikes or hates Alganon and/or Derek Smart. Every person who doesn't share this same opinion is evidence that his opinion could be wrong. Or her opinion. Odds say 'him', but could be a 'her'.

You're right. There is no harm in trying a game out, even if you end up not liking it. If nothing else, you learn that you don't like it. You might learn that you do like it. Not a real big deal.

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  Kyleran

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6/23/11 1:38:20 PM#38
Originally posted by dsmart
Originally posted by Amjoco

This game isn't flashy and it doesn't have the high tech feel of some of the other fantasy MMO's out there. What it does have is a great community and most of all potential. I'm pretty old school, I remember when pong first came out, I played all the AD&D Gold Box games on a Commadore 64 and it erks me a tad when people quit playing without giving a title a chance. Slow down and play this game,  read the quests and get into the RP of RPG.  

I'm not a fanboy, I have P2P accounts on 3 MMO's but I still love this game because it isn't easy, there are no questhelpers, addons, but most of all it has people helping one another, not talking trash about each other. 

Anyway, like the poster above me said he was going to do, give it a chance, a real chance.

Exactly.

There is so much more to the game and community than most are even willing to consider - and simply because everyone likes a good train wreck; even if it is imagined and has no basis in reality.

 

Derek, you spent this entire thread discussing why you feel you are within your rights to speak your mind on internet forums (against common wisdom and business practices that most firms of any type would practice)

I'm not going to debate that with you, its clear you would never yield on this topic based on your long history of doing it your way.

But I would point out, this thread was an excellent opportunity for you, the PR person to lay out to those reading why we would want to consider playing Alganon.  That's why I originally stopped by, to see why the OP thought it was worth another look, because generally speaking, once a game goes DOA like this one did, there is no reason to.

So how about, since you've taken over, what sorts of improvements have occurred since those dark, early Pre-DS day when we all read so much (bad) about the game?

I'd be very interested in learning why you think Alganon is worth a look today, in case I'm missing something.

And no, don't say, "its free to try, come see for yourself"  My time is extremely limited, I definitely need some decent reasons to even consider the download or I won't bother.

Oh, if its not worth your trouble to try and earn my business, that's OK too, I'll simply spend my money elsewhere. 

Arrogant, Dismissive, Elitist, you speak as if these are bad things?
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  MadDemon64

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1081

Why is it that fantasy trolls are vulnerable to fire, but internet trolls thrive on flame wars?

6/23/11 3:21:36 PM#39
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by dsmart
Originally posted by Amjoco

This game isn't flashy and it doesn't have the high tech feel of some of the other fantasy MMO's out there. What it does have is a great community and most of all potential. I'm pretty old school, I remember when pong first came out, I played all the AD&D Gold Box games on a Commadore 64 and it erks me a tad when people quit playing without giving a title a chance. Slow down and play this game,  read the quests and get into the RP of RPG.  

I'm not a fanboy, I have P2P accounts on 3 MMO's but I still love this game because it isn't easy, there are no questhelpers, addons, but most of all it has people helping one another, not talking trash about each other. 

Anyway, like the poster above me said he was going to do, give it a chance, a real chance.

Exactly.

There is so much more to the game and community than most are even willing to consider - and simply because everyone likes a good train wreck; even if it is imagined and has no basis in reality.

 

Derek, you spent this entire thread discussing why you feel you are within your rights to speak your mind on internet forums (against common wisdom and business practices that most firms of any type would practice)

I'm not going to debate that with you, its clear you would never yield on this topic based on your long history of doing it your way.

But I would point out, this thread was an excellent opportunity for you, the PR person to lay out to those reading why we would want to consider playing Alganon.  That's why I originally stopped by, to see why the OP thought it was worth another look, because generally speaking, once a game goes DOA like this one did, there is no reason to.

So how about, since you've taken over, what sorts of improvements have occurred since those dark, early Pre-DS day when we all read so much (bad) about the game?

I'd be very interested in learning why you think Alganon is worth a look today, in case I'm missing something.

And no, don't say, "its free to try, come see for yourself"  My time is extremely limited, I definitely need some decent reasons to even consider the download or I won't bother.

Oh, if its not worth your trouble to try and earn my business, that's OK too, I'll simply spend my money elsewhere. 

I'm still waiting on those pictures of the new updated models he promised us months ago.  Seriously, how long does it take someone who is in charge of a game to take some pictures?  It took me 5 minutes to take a picture in a game I play, and 5 more minutes to turn it into a demotivational poster.

I am honestly starting to think that he will never post those model pictures.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  nariusseldon

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6/24/11 4:12:34 AM#40
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by kakasaki
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by vesavius

So I am going to have a look. It's free, why not.

 

Waste of time. There are hundreds better F2P games out there. Being free is no longer a reason to try out.

But if it is free, why not try it out? Sorry, I just don't get your logic...

His logic is that a long time ago, few games were free.  Mosts games required subscriptions.  Nowadays, more and more games are becoming free, and for every good free to play game, there are ten bad free to play games.  He is saying that you should be a smart consumer and think not about paying for games with money, but with time and disk space.

Ok, I see his point now. But, like I said, if it is free... by the very definition of free, it cost nothing to try. Hell, anyone with 30 min to burn can give a free game a whirl. What's the harm?

 

You definition is wrong. Here, free means free in terms of MONEY, not time. Wasting 30 min on a game that has this much bad press? NOT worth the time.

I would much rather play HellGate London, or what not ... it is not like i have an abundance of TIME for free (in terms of money) games.

Balance that against movies, books, tv shows, and it is even more silly to try something like Alganon. Would you watch all the bad movies in the world, if they are ALL FREE?

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