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  nariusseldon

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6/10/11 2:27:00 PM#101

Pass.

Permadeath, really? It is not like there aren't too many games to play anyway. Guess that saves me some time from trying it out.

  Cik_Asalin

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6/10/11 2:28:10 PM#102
Originally posted by Yuui

If you count games like vindictus then this is mmorpg.

Well, Vindictus isn't a mmorpg, but since their development team did stay at a Holiday Inn at the time of the announcement, so that probably counts.  :)

  MMOExposed

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6/10/11 2:32:46 PM#103
Originally posted by Yuui


Originally posted by Metentso


Originally posted by MMOExposed


Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?

 

Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?


 
I just posted this a page ago. Its NOT a MMORPG. its a diablo clone. Aka lobby fantasy game

 
OK :-(

If you count games like vindictus then this is mmorpg.

Actually this is more mmorpg than vindictus since Wizardry Online's dungeons support up to 100 people per instance :)

 

dude stop it already!!! I didn't say it was bad. But don't try to pretend its something its not and wasn't meant to be. Is Code a MMORPG as well? Heck no. Is any online fps lobby shooter a MMORPG as well? Just stop it!!! So misleading. Sell the projects for what they are rather than what they not. And those games you listed are not MMORPG. Many games listed here are not MMORPG. Hey this site did a segment on Dragon age. Is that a MMORPG as well?

  Malcanis

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6/10/11 2:33:50 PM#104
Originally posted by AcmeGamer
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by AcmeGamer

 

 If only it wasn't a foreign company that was doing it, I really look foward to returning to playing a mmorpg where risk/reward means something, where team work pays off. I just tend to be doubtful of companies pulling off a game that will draw many of us when they aren't from our culture. Cultural differences and points of view make for rather odd game results/game play/game mechanics.

 

The advantage to a Japanese developer putting this out is that it increases the likelihood of it staying true to the original gameplay as much as possible. If an NA company got a hold of it, you could kiss traps, mazes, permadeath and all the other features that fans liked goodbye. Wizardry has a cult following here in NA, but still has a strong following in Japan

 

  Yeah you got me there, I only played the original three that were writen by Trebor er Robert Woodhead and Andy Greenberg. I didn't play the later ones which they didn't do.

 

p.s: I need to correct myself I went and looked up the sofware they programed the first 5. I only played the first three I'm fairly certain and then was playing alot of the Bards Tale adventures that were coming out around the same time.

 

Did you know that "Trebor" now plays EVE, has been elected to the CSM (player reps) and, as it happens is in alliance with me :)

http://treborofthecsm.blogspot.com/

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  Yuui

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OP  6/10/11 2:35:59 PM#105


Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Yuui


Originally posted by Metentso


Originally posted by MMOExposed


Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?

 

Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?


 
I just posted this a page ago. Its NOT a MMORPG. its a diablo clone. Aka lobby fantasy game

 
OK :-(

If you count games like vindictus then this is mmorpg.

Actually this is more mmorpg than vindictus since Wizardry Online's dungeons support up to 100 people per instance :)



 dude stop it already!!! I didn't say it was bad. But don't try to pretend its something its not and wasn't meant to be. Is Code a MMORPG as well? Heck no. Is any online fps lobby shooter a MMORPG as well? Just stop it!!! So misleading. Sell the projects for what they are rather than what they not. And those games you listed are not MMORPG. Many games listed here are not MMORPG. Hey this site did a segment on Dragon age. Is that a MMORPG as well?


Hm

MMORPG _ Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

Is it Massive? Yes it is.
Is it Multiplayer? Yes it is.
Is it online? Yes it is
Does it have roles/ Yes it does.
DO you play them? Yes.
Is it a game? Yes.

If i remember correctly that as well as persistent graphical area shared by players are what is needed to label a thing as mmorpg.

So yes, while those games are NOT completely seamless. They still count as MMO in my book and books of many people, including this entire site.

Don't force your perceptions on other people.

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  Amana

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6/10/11 2:50:28 PM#106

Please stop the back and forth arguments and the derail about what is and isn't an MMORPG. Take it to another thread if you wish. Let's get back on topic. Thanks, guys.

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  fansede

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6/10/11 2:50:54 PM#107

Is this going to be in thrid person view only?

  MMOExposed

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6/10/11 2:50:55 PM#108
Originally posted by Yuui


Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by Yuui


Originally posted by Metentso


Originally posted by MMOExposed


Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?

 

Originally posted by Metentso
Is this a true MMORPG or just a multiplayer game like Diablo or something?


 
I just posted this a page ago. Its NOT a MMORPG. its a diablo clone. Aka lobby fantasy game

 
OK :-(

If you count games like vindictus then this is mmorpg.

Actually this is more mmorpg than vindictus since Wizardry Online's dungeons support up to 100 people per instance :)



 dude stop it already!!! I didn't say it was bad. But don't try to pretend its something its not and wasn't meant to be. Is Code a MMORPG as well? Heck no. Is any online fps lobby shooter a MMORPG as well? Just stop it!!! So misleading. Sell the projects for what they are rather than what they not. And those games you listed are not MMORPG. Many games listed here are not MMORPG. Hey this site did a segment on Dragon age. Is that a MMORPG as well?


Hm

MMORPG _ Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

Is it Massive? Yes it is.
Is it Multiplayer? Yes it is.
Is it online? Yes it is
Does it have roles/ Yes it does.
DO you play them? Yes.
Is it a game? Yes.

If i remember correctly that as well as persistent graphical area shared by players are what is needed to label a thing as mmorpg.

So yes, while those games are NOT completely seamless. They still count as MMO in my book and books of many people, including this entire site.

Don't force your perceptions on other people.

 

dude stop now!!! I hate misleading marketing people like you! Mag is also massive yet its not a MMO. Massive is actually massively Multiplayer. The two M go together. Now if you trying to tell me MAG is a MMO than once again you are ether fooling yourself, or you a sneaky rogue marketer tying to snag more mislead souls.

  MMOExposed

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6/10/11 2:52:09 PM#109
T
Originally posted by Amana

Please stop the back and forth arguments and the derail about what is and isn't an MMORPG. Take it to another thread if you wish. Let's get back on topic. Thanks, guys.

 

excuse me

  Yuui

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OP  6/10/11 2:53:58 PM#110


Originally posted by fansede
Is this going to be in thrid person view only?


Unknown, so far gameplay has been third person, however the gameplay trailers had fps old wizardry-like style of gameplay. So most likely changeable.

Otherwise most of stuff from Wizardry games is retained: chests with possible traps, floor traps, various kinds of traps, doors, searching the surroundings, stat-rolling in character creation, mazes, no mini-map, perma-death and so on.

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  Requiamer

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6/10/11 3:09:43 PM#111
Originally posted by Yuui

 


The concept is more about strategy and coordination in dungeon crawling than tank and spank(as well as knowing when to run). SOMETIMES, its a lot more worthwhile AVOIDING monsters and sneaking past them to reach your goal than engaging them.

Its a basic riskvs rewards - do you open the chest, trying to disarm it and either get severly hurt/get the loot inside or do you leave it alone.
Do you confront the terible beast in the hallway or do you run the hell away.
Do you go with the biggest party you can muster or the most trusted people in smaller one.
Do you leave the best equips in the storage so if you die next character of yours can use them, or do you take them to use in dungeon.
Do you go further the maze trusting in your capabilities and health or do you turn back before getting lost in it.

Also note that it features old-school character-rolling in that you roll a number at the char creation screen and upon that your starter stats and growth depend.

Game also features active dodge systems and twitch combat.

 Definitly the way rpg game should be built if they were a bit more fidel to the rpg genre and a bit less fidel to the usual arcade gaming genre. Remind me the old school rpg games. So ye it definitly interest me. My comment about the trinity was a pure sarcasm in fact.

  Siveria

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6/10/11 3:14:20 PM#112

Remove the permadeath and I will gladly buy this. Permadeath should not exist in a mmorpg imo, Unless its a optional choice.

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A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

or

B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

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  Yuui

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OP  6/10/11 3:25:47 PM#113


Originally posted by Siveria
Remove the permadeath and I will gladly buy this. Permadeath should not exist in a mmorpg imo, Unless its a optional choice.

Permadeath happens if you fail to reach your corpse. Your new rolled character then can use whatever you left in storage for him to inherit.

IMO it make achieving something that more valuable and respectable. running a dungeon is no longer a chore, but a challenge and being high level and having good gear actually means you have skill and luck.

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  User Deleted
6/10/11 3:50:08 PM#114
Originally posted by alderdale
Originally posted by Brif

This is what I've been waiting for

 You and a handfull of other people.   For all the other people thats needed to keep a game in business, the will show up kick the tires and wander off because of the rule set.  Enjoy the ghost town that will become this game over time.

These "handful" of people I guess are half of a nation meanwhile, all players feeling uncared by current mainstream crap. Wizardry btw. was kinda introduction of CRPGs into the mainstream for itself. But the foundation was done by roguelikes where perma death was everydays bread and butter. Money corrupted all of the better ideas into good looking, pointless fluffiness. Actually I hardly can believe this dream will become true...

  Yuui

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OP  6/10/11 6:46:20 PM#115


Originally posted by picommander


Originally posted by alderdale


Originally posted by Brif

This is what I've been waiting for


 You and a handfull of other people.   For all the other people thats needed to keep a game in business, the will show up kick the tires and wander off because of the rule set.  Enjoy the ghost town that will become this game over time.


These "handful" of people I guess are half of a nation meanwhile, all players feeling uncared by current mainstream crap. Wizardry btw. was kinda introduction of CRPGs into the mainstream for itself. But the foundation was done by roguelikes where perma death was everydays bread and butter. Money corrupted all of the better ideas into good looking, pointless fluffiness. Actually I hardly can believe this dream will become true...

My sentiments exactly.

RPG games overall used to be a very rewarding experience. something that required planning, skill and capability of mind.

Nowadays rpgs are nothing more than cinematic story movies with controllable dialogue, while mmos boild down to the usual completionist faire.

Hopefully this game will break the mold and return the whole "enjoying the moment and playing to play" thing to mmos.

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  nimbuszero2

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6/10/11 6:59:14 PM#116

This is awesome news! It may not be a true MMO, but I loved the Wizardry games as a kid, even if I was too young to play them to their fullest. And Dir En Grey contributing to the soundtrack?!?!  I'm sold.

  Korby

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6/10/11 10:01:59 PM#117

Music by dir en grey? awesome.

  Palebane

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6/10/11 10:17:02 PM#118

It will be interesting to see how they implement such an unpopular feature. I believe harsh death penalties can create an extra layer for Online RPGs, but just because it's permadeath doesn't mean that the death penalty will be harsh. It depends a lot on the other mechanics of the game.

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  redcap036

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6/10/11 11:04:27 PM#119

I'm hooked, bring it on, can't wait, yes yes yes, finally real gaming is back, hail to the king baby!

  Yuui

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OP  6/11/11 4:50:39 AM#120

Another "preview" video I found which displays some kind of old maze and the catacombs below it (really love the music and art style right now :3)(just noticed that it also shows off vertical and horizontal fire traps that would spring upon you if you stepped on them carelessly)

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