Originally posted by psyknx

Looks like demon souls on the PS3. (Hardest game ever)

Cant wait!

Hehe, I loved that game..... though damn straight hate it as well.

No damn game has ever pushed me that hard to the point of wishing to smash my PS3 to pieces like the Demons souls. Though got addicted and played it through.

So yeah, if its anything like that, lovely....... and hate! :)

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Originally posted by tinuelle

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Originally posted by psyknx
Looks like demon souls on the PS3. (Hardest game ever)
Cant wait!

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Hehe, I loved that game..... though damn straight hate it as well.
No damn game has ever pushed me that hard to the point of wishing to smash my PS3 to pieces like the Demons souls. Though got addicted and played it through.
So yeah, if its anything like that, lovely....... and hate! :)

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Here be example of my latest playthrough of Wizardry 8:
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8:00: Morning. Fire up the game where I left off. Get into the dungeon i have to go to get some certain item.
8:30: One of my npc party members just got killed and i have no resurrection scrolls for him...oh well...
9:00: I seem to be going in circles as I just went back to the place my party member died. The claustrophobic hallways just look freaking same to me...
10:00: Damn chest with trap killed another party member...and I am still going in circles.
11:30: Finally found a passage I missed. Got rushed by 5 spiders right as i opened the door. only two members left now, if only i knew where the exit was.
12:00: found seemingly recognizable path already.
12:05: and fell into the floor trap, falling few levels down into place I have no idea how to get out of.
12:50: got rushed by skeletons. only two party members alive and low on health and mp.need to find a place to camp and regain hp.
13:50: found one place, seemingly secure. setting up camp.
13:55: HOLY S-*- got rushed by skeleton guys.
14:00: roll a new character.
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I just read a write up over on Massively... It's been a while since such a small bit of information has gotten me so intrigued about an upcoming game..

I'm in :)  I loved the Wizardry series and I am seriously tired of the games where death is meaningless. It's kind of hard to even pretend to be some kind of hero (any kind) when you simply reappear after you've been killed a thousand times.

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Originally posted by LydarSynn
I'm in :)  I loved the Wizardry series and I am seriously tired of the games where death is meaningless. It's kind of hard to even pretend to be some kind of hero (any kind) when you simply reappear after you've been killed a thousand times.

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with this kind of perma-death and danger, the goal is game itself and not the endgame and you can actually feel damn good when you have done some dungeon.

I hate mazes. So this game is not for me. But looks interesting. I'm sure a lot of people will have fun playing it.

Originally posted by Yuui

 

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Originally posted by tinuelle

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Originally posted by psyknx
Looks like demon souls on the PS3. (Hardest game ever)
Cant wait!

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Hehe, I loved that game..... though damn straight hate it as well.
No damn game has ever pushed me that hard to the point of wishing to smash my PS3 to pieces like the Demons souls. Though got addicted and played it through.
So yeah, if its anything like that, lovely....... and hate! :)

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Here be example of my latest playthrough of Wizardry 8:
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8:00: Morning. Fire up the game where I left off. Get into the dungeon i have to go to get some certain item.
8:30: One of my npc party members just got killed and i have no resurrection scrolls for him...oh well...
9:00: I seem to be going in circles as I just went back to the place my party member died. The claustrophobic hallways just look freaking same to me...
10:00: Damn chest with trap killed another party member...and I am still going in circles.
11:30: Finally found a passage I missed. Got rushed by 5 spiders right as i opened the door. only two members left now, if only i knew where the exit was.
12:00: found seemingly recognizable path already.
12:05: and fell into the floor trap, falling few levels down into place I have no idea how to get out of.
12:50: got rushed by skeletons. only two party members alive and low on health and mp.need to find a place to camp and regain hp.
13:50: found one place, seemingly secure. setting up camp.
13:55: HOLY S-*- got rushed by skeleton guys.
14:00: roll a new character.
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For you, I shall leave this link right here.

Wizardy Online ! Was all sort of hyped about Wizardy comming back since I used to play that game a lot back in the day... However, with PermaDeath in the game the only Wootage I can think of now is that I will save the money it would have cost me to actualy buy this game.

Ratero.

Originally posted by onlinenow25

Don't want to stomp on anyones perade but this game will fail here.

The concept of perma death is terrible unless a good player can easily avoid hard situations and run away.  

I just don't understand the need for people to want to do that to them selfs.  Its so masocistic its not even funny.  The idea that 20 to 30 hours of your life just went to nothing is terrible.  Literally nothing.  You couldnt even show your friends what you had or what you did in the game because your character is dead and gone everything lost.

But I guess more power to those that want it, hopefully none of you brake your computer that play this game.  I know I won't because ill probably brake something.

 It's not masochistic at all if they don't put in a level 50 cap that requires 10 hours of play per level ect.  Permadeath games don't need high level caps as things won't stagnate due to the dynamic nature of such games.  Everyone is gonna die eventually so no need to worry about people getting bored at endgame and requiring them to grind for long periods. 

Permadeath games can actually be a lot less masochistic since you typically don't have to grind 1000 rats or whatever at a time to make progress. 

I applaud them for trying to be different in a world of clones

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Originally posted by Loktofeit

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Originally posted by Yuui
 

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Originally posted by tinuelle

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Originally posted by psyknx
Looks like demon souls on the PS3. (Hardest game ever)
Cant wait!

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Hehe, I loved that game..... though damn straight hate it as well.
No damn game has ever pushed me that hard to the point of wishing to smash my PS3 to pieces like the Demons souls. Though got addicted and played it through.
So yeah, if its anything like that, lovely....... and hate! :)

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Here be example of my latest playthrough of Wizardry 8:
---------------------------------
8:00: Morning. Fire up the game where I left off. Get into the dungeon i have to go to get some certain item.
8:30: One of my npc party members just got killed and i have no resurrection scrolls for him...oh well...
9:00: I seem to be going in circles as I just went back to the place my party member died. The claustrophobic hallways just look freaking same to me...
10:00: Damn chest with trap killed another party member...and I am still going in circles.
11:30: Finally found a passage I missed. Got rushed by 5 spiders right as i opened the door. only two members left now, if only i knew where the exit was.
12:00: found seemingly recognizable path already.
12:05: and fell into the floor trap, falling few levels down into place I have no idea how to get out of.
12:50: got rushed by skeletons. only two party members alive and low on health and mp.need to find a place to camp and regain hp.
13:50: found one place, seemingly secure. setting up camp.
13:55: HOLY S-*- got rushed by skeleton guys.
14:00: roll a new character.
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For you, I shall leave this link right here.

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I know that place to the point that i can pretty much recite website structure by memory :P

Originally posted by onlinenow25

Don't want to stomp on anyones perade but this game will fail here.

The concept of perma death is terrible unless a good player can easily avoid hard situations and run away.  

I just don't understand the need for people to want to do that to them selfs.  Its so masocistic its not even funny.  The idea that 20 to 30 hours of your life just went to nothing is terrible.  Literally nothing.  You couldnt even show your friends what you had or what you did in the game because your character is dead and gone everything lost.

But I guess more power to those that want it, hopefully none of you brake your computer that play this game.  I know I won't because ill probably brake something.

 Because the time we spend in mmorpgs goes to something?

Originally posted by Myrdynn

meow great point

in the 80's if some of you actually played the originals we used to do  things like

Grind Greater demons for hours on end

Grind 4 groups of berserkers x99 for hours

Grind City Guards for hours on end aboard our frigates.

Grind Jousters for hours on end

AND WE LOVED IT!!!!!!

And Creeping Coins!

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Myrdynn

meow great point

in the 80's if some of you actually played the originals we used to do  things like

Grind Greater demons for hours on end

Grind 4 groups of berserkers x99 for hours

Grind City Guards for hours on end aboard our frigates.

Grind Jousters for hours on end

AND WE LOVED IT!!!!!!

And Creeping Coins!

Creeping Coins were great and sucky at the same time. Good xp but man did those battles take forever!

"Grind City Guards for hours on end aboard our frigates."

That reminds me of Ultima 2 :)

Looks very, very interesting, definently a game to look forward to for now.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Myrdynn

meow great point

in the 80's if some of you actually played the originals we used to do  things like

Grind Greater demons for hours on end

Grind 4 groups of berserkers x99 for hours

Grind City Guards for hours on end aboard our frigates.

Grind Jousters for hours on end

AND WE LOVED IT!!!!!!

And Creeping Coins!

Creeping Coins were great and sucky at the same time. Good xp but man did those battles take forever!

 

"Grind City Guards for hours on end aboard our frigates."

 

That reminds me of Ultima 2 :)

ahh yes I forgot about the creepy coins!.  I hope the Vorpal Bunnies dont get out of hand.

"Grind City Guards" Yep Ultima 2 and 3 both, they gave the best exp in game (20 exp per ) I think.  My Lark loved them!

also dont forget level 1 Murphy's Ghosts. Those were insane EXP.  I dont think in the 10 yrs I played Wiz 1, I ever visited level 6 or 7.  It was get to the teleporter, farm on 8 for a bit, then head down to 9 and drop in the Chute.  I wish I could get Wiz 1 going again, only have it on floppy, I would love to play it hardcore mode and see If I can get my "Chevron" with all chars level 13 like its supposedly made for.  I think the first time I actually ever beat Werdna all my guys were 20+

heres to Evil Lords, and Good Ninjas!

 If only it wasn't a foreign company that was doing it, I really look foward to returning to playing a mmorpg where risk/reward means something, where team work pays off. I just tend to be doubtful of companies pulling off a game that will draw many of us when they aren't from our culture. Cultural differences and points of view make for rather odd game results/game play/game mechanics.

If I was 16 I would say something like "You are not prepared!". To be honest thats what I wan't to say but I'm not 16. 16 year olds are stupid;)

Originally posted by Yuui

 

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Originally posted by onlinenow25
I just don't understand the need for people to want to do that to them selfs.  Its so masocistic its not even funny.  The idea that 20 to 30 hours of your life just went to nothing is terrible.  Literally nothing.  You couldnt even show your friends what you had or what you did in the game because your character is dead and gone everything lost.

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Well it worked quite well for Wizardry. Enough to have a cult following and have total of 8 games, about a dozen of console ports and other things, not to mention set up the basics of what is rpg.

 It also worked well for alot of the earlier online rpgs. The text based ones. Some had quite intensive combat mechanics systems. Most of them didn't have an "auto" perma death, there 'were"  ways to avoid it or there were puzzles to solve to get out of what ever Hades you were in to get back to your body. Also player character raises, which made those who could raise someone everyone wanted in a group.

Originally posted by Yuui

- Game focus is to make monsters actually terrifying and making sure that players HAVE to consider their odds and realize that sometimes its better to run the hell away.
 

Been wanting this, personally, for years... doubt the average player will see an unstoppable antagonist as anything other than an annoying setback. This above line makes me think of super-hard uniques that you need to really group up against, but for others it probably conjures thoughts of that guy from Resident Evil: Nemesis. Even I hated that guy.