With a name like Mac Scarfe i seriously doubt your a true englishman

anyway i am off to see if they sell crossbows at Asda

Germany could have solved your problems 70 years ago.

Originally posted by EQ2Thanos

With a name like Mac Scarfe i seriously doubt your a true englishman

 

anyway i am off to see if they sell crossbows at Asda

 ROFL, well i guess if i had been born some 15 years later my forum name would have been iScarfe .. hope that clarifies

20 million for the wedding? heh yeah sure try to find how much it costed to the british economy and you will me amazed!

(hint they gave a bank day off to everyone and when i mean everyone i mean the whole UK)

Originally posted by thebigchin11

I am sick of Scots telling us they do not get hand outs from London.  Please vote through independence and come back begging.  And I like MMORPGS.

 If Conservatives and labour want rid of Scotland, why dont they break away from us...

One reason.

OIL from scotland.

I hope we do get independance from the rest of the UK. as we will put in a bill for all the OIL stolen from us by the English to a tune of 120billion pounds.

Where will you BAIL yourself out then? Scotland will never go like portugal or Greece, as we will get tighter controls over the banking system to STOP it.

Originally posted by jessian

Originally posted by thebigchin11

I am sick of Scots telling us they do not get hand outs from London.  Please vote through independence and come back begging.  And I like MMORPGS.

 If Conservatives and labour want rid of Scotland, why dont they break away from us...

One reason.

 

OIL from scotland.

I hope we do get independance from the rest of the UK. as we will put in a bill for all the OIL stolen from us by the English to a tune of 120billion pounds.

Where will you BAIL yourself out then? Scotland will never go like portugal or Greece, as we will get tighter controls over the banking system to STOP it.

 

my friend as it seems most of the politicians on Europe just dont care for their countries so if you believe that Scotland can control the banks then you are mistaken, on the other hand if you people have oil then its another matter all together you can actually do something if you manage to earn money from it!

I don't so much understand why the Scottish want to be independent. So many nations fractured in East Europe in the last 20 years. The USSR split... there seems to be a wave to splintering nations, still. Isn't that bizarre, in a world which is more and more globalized and more and more dependent on each other? We all are affected by each other more than ever before, so I see these types of splitting up nations are quite irrational. And where does it end? With every village having it's own currency and it's own langauge and government?

There was a time in the past when the German Empire was made up of 350 nations all with it's own currency and government. Do we really need to go back to such times?

Originally posted by Ruyan

Germany could have solved your problems 70 years ago.

Just for the record: I am lefty liberal in most cases. But the day will come in the future when many will WISH Germany WOULD have won. Trust me on this. It is dark and evil to say, yes. But that day will come.

I am not a nationalist. Really. For me it could as well have been Napoleon who could have won back then. But there is a self destructive spirit in the West, genereally that will be our undoing.

This thread is a bit of a mess. Not sure what to make of it.

But a few points.

1. Scottish people don't hate the English. How could we? Scotland is based on citizenship not blood, so that would mean hating ourselves since many people who were born in England live in Scotland and are now Scottish citizens. My nephew and neice were born in England so they were born English-British citizens to culturally Scottish parents, but now they live in Scotland and are Scottish citizens. So the entire Scottish hating English thing, or indeed English hating Scottish thing, is just silly and strictly for daft bigots on both sides of the fence.

Also, hating is negative.

This massive vote of confidence in the Scottish National Party was a positive vote by ALL Scottish citizens - not just culturally native Scots - and had NOTHING to do with hating the English. It was about how Scotland should be managed and run. The SNP ran an amazing and positive campaign; they had managed Scotland for the previous 5 years with a minority government surprisingly well despite the global downturn; and they stand head and shoulders above all the pettiness and negativity of the other main parties.

2. It isn't about Scotland's oil either. The SNP didn't mention the oil once. For the record, there is a definite 20 years of gas and oil reserves left, but potentially up to 50 years based on some predictions. 90% is in Scottish territorial waters and most of it is processed in Scotland. Although that oil would help, we don't need that oil to be a successful country and the SNP stopped going on about the oil decades ago. Our most important resource is our people and our democratic will and this - rather than some oil windfall - is what makes our nation a success.

3. Scotland would be like Portugal.

"Portugal is a developed country  with an advanced and high-income economy, with a very high Human Development Index and it has the world's 19th-highest quality-of-life, according to The Economist Intelligence Unit. It is the 13th-most peaceful and the 8th-most globalized country in the world." from wikipedia

Doesn't sound so bad.

Scotland could be like Sweden or Denmark or many other successful "small" countries in Europe. 

With our history of producing men and women of excellence and of punching above our weight in terms of innovation and technology we could be even better.

Most credible economists and professors have debunked all the negative predictions about an independent Scotland and it seems likely we would function fairly similar to other small European nations with a similar rate of success and prosperity. But that is down in the end to how we manage our country and until we have full management over our country we shall never find out.

Anyway, this SNP victory was about people voting for a party that has a truly national character and was out to get the best for all classes and all people in Scotland. It wasn't about independence....yet.

When the referendum on independence comes, as it most surely will, then it will be about that.

Until then, a brilliant result for the SNP in Scotland. There hasn't been a popular vote like that in the last 40 years of British elections. Our parliament was designed to prevent the SNP getting a majority btw, it was designed to block moves for independence. But their vote was so monumentally and overwhelmingly huge that they achieved the impossible.

Regards

Melmoth

Originally posted by melmoth1

This thread is a bit of a mess. Not sure what to make of it.

But a few points.

1. Scottish people don't hate the English. How could we? Scotland is based on citizenship not blood, so that would mean hating ourselves since many people who were born in England live in Scotland and are now Scottish citizens. My nephew and neice were born in England so they were born English-British citizens to culturally Scottish parents, but now they live in Scotland and are Scottish citizens. So the entire Scottish hating English thing, or indeed English hating Scottish thing, is just silly and strictly for daft bigots on both sides of the fence.

Also, hating is negative.

This massive vote of confidence in the Scottish National Party was a positive vote by ALL Scottish citizens - not just culturally native Scots - and had NOTHING to do with hating the English. It was about how Scotland should be managed and run. The SNP ran an amazing and positive campaign; they had managed Scotland for the previous 5 years with a minority government surprisingly well despite the global downturn; and they stand head and shoulders above all the pettiness and negativity of the other main parties.

 

2. It isn't about Scotland's oil either. The SNP didn't mention the oil once. For the record, there is a definite 20 years of gas and oil reserves left, but potentially up to 50 years based on some predictions. 90% is in Scottish territorial waters and most of it is processed in Scotland. Although that oil would help, we don't need that oil to be a successful country and the SNP stopped going on about the oil decades ago. Our most important resource is our people and our democratic will and this - rather than some oil windfall - is what makes our nation a success.

 

3. Scotland would be like Portugal.

"Portugal is a developed country  with an advanced and high-income economy, with a very high Human Development Index and it has the world's 19th-highest quality-of-life, according to The Economist Intelligence Unit. It is the 13th-most peaceful and the 8th-most globalized country in the world." from wikipedia

Doesn't sound so bad.

Scotland could be like Sweden or Denmark or many other successful "small" countries in Europe. 

With our history of producing men and women of excellence and of punching above our weight in terms of innovation and technology we could be even better.

Most credible economists and professors have debunked all the negative predictions about an independent Scotland and it seems likely we would function fairly similar to other small European nations with a similar rate of success and prosperity. But that is down in the end to how we manage our country and until we have full management over our country we shall never find out.

Anyway, this SNP victory was about people voting for a party that has a truly national character and was out to get the best for all classes and all people in Scotland. It wasn't about independence....yet.

When the referendum on independence comes, as it most surely will, then it will be about that.

 

Until then, a brilliant result for the SNP in Scotland. There hasn't been a popular vote like that in the last 40 years of British elections. Our parliament was designed to prevent the SNP getting a majority btw, it was designed to block moves for independence. But their vote was so monumentally and overwhelmingly huge that they achieved the impossible.

 

Regards

 

Melmoth

Hey! I'm supposed to be the spoilsport around here!

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by Ruyan

Germany could have solved your problems 70 years ago.

Just for the record: I am lefty liberal in most cases. But the day will come in the future when many will WISH Germany WOULD have won. Trust me on this. It is dark and evil to say, yes. But that day will come.

I am not a nationalist. Really. For me it could as well have been Napoleon who could have won back then. But there is a self destructive spirit in the West, genereally that will be our undoing.

You mean because ALL the Jews would have been exterminated?

Yes, that's a pretty evil thing to say.

I heard on the radio that 44% of scottish people wanted  independence but whats funny is that a poll taken in England said that 58% of English wanted to give it to them:)

England isn't allowed independance.

Originally posted by Elikal

I don't so much understand why the Scottish want to be independent. So many nations fractured in East Europe in the last 20 years. The USSR split... there seems to be a wave to splintering nations, still. Isn't that bizarre, in a world which is more and more globalized and more and more dependent on each other? We all are affected by each other more than ever before, so I see these types of splitting up nations are quite irrational. And where does it end? With every village having it's own currency and it's own langauge and government?

There was a time in the past when the German Empire was made up of 350 nations all with it's own currency and government. Do we really need to go back to such times?

 For the same reasons all those eastern European countries wanted independance.

Watch Braveheart if you don't know.

Scottish heritage demands independance. It is a cultural identity. Even my English born residents of Scotland feel it.

It's a glamour. William Wallace, Robert the Bruce. The legends and histories that make us who we are.

The only thing England is dependant on Scotland for, is them not to attack us.

The financial problems for Scotland in an indepence scenario, is not total collpase... While the lack of subsidies might be something that the average Scot would notice... (no more free drugs onthe NHS, no more free universities ... something of that ilk), I don't think it would hurt them so much that their pride could not overcome it with ease.

 The only time Scotalnd is deeply dependant on England for money is in times of crisis. The banking collapse, their failed colonies or the Panama canal. Like Iceland, when things go wrong, a country that is too small cannot so easily recover.

The other things they would miss would be the opportunites for capital investment and the ability to defend those investments. North Sea oil for example, they needd England to build that industry, and a navy and airforce to protect it from the Viking countries.

Now back to eastern Europe; countries gain indepence when the union is weak. GB, the U.K., is weak. The Scots could do what they have wanted to do historically in the past and gain that strength of union as the Irish have, by joining the EU instead.

They have another option.

What England has to do, is penalise them. Cut off subsidy, seal the border, not negotiate with larger powers on their behalf.  Carrot and stick.

If like me you consider your nationality British first, and English only when supporting a football team, you don't want to see an end to the union. But if it happens, it has to happen on English terms.

When they are out, they are right out. Not "just good friends". Divorcee's.

A sealed border, Visa's and all the rest. 

We've paid a lot of tribute to keep them quiet over the years, if that is no longer good enough, then we have to prepare ourselves for more of the troubles that the ideals of Scottish indepedance are glamourised from.

If the Scottish gain independance, it won't be on their terms. It will be on ours. They would be better served in my opinion, continuing with the union and continuing to enjoy the tribute they receive.

Originally posted by Deleted User

Originally posted by thebigchin11

I am sick of Scots telling us they do not get hand outs from London.  Please vote through independence and come back begging.  And I like MMORPGS.

 If Conservatives and labour want rid of Scotland, why dont they break away from us...

One reason.

 

OIL from scotland.

I hope we do get independance from the rest of the UK. as we will put in a bill for all the OIL stolen from us by the English to a tune of 120billion pounds.

Where will you BAIL yourself out then? Scotland will never go like portugal or Greece, as we will get tighter controls over the banking system to STOP it.

 

Arrr, a wunt tooooo gt red uv thaim feckin wee Inglish steeeelen alll arrr feckin oil that weeeve gut in tha noorth seeeeeeeeee

Baff mate, your post is so English versus Scots machismo that I think I will leave my earlier post in this thread to stand as my rational and measured response to this messed up thread.

However, for fun I will say re-Game of Thrones:

Scotland is Winterfell and the North.

The English are the Lannisters.

And the Welsh are the Dornishmen.

People like Littlefinger and Varys are the Peter Mandelson's and Andy Coulson's of the UK.

So all that's left for me to say is:

"For the King o' the North! The king o' the North!"

Regards

Melmoth

p.s. Weegies (people from Glasgow) are "The Others".

If that was meant for me,I never said they wanted it.

EDIT: To Baff .

LoL at the Gibson troll.

Oh yes thoose dity English Lord went all Prima Nocte on the poor Scottish Women...

Oh wait no they didn't.

There is zero historical evidence for it.

Hell there is little historical evidence prima nocte even excisted anywhere in Europe.

So try learning actual history instead of watching one of Gibson self indulgent wanking sessions

Originally posted by EQ2Thanos

I heard on the radio that 44% of scottish people wanted  independence but whats funny is that a poll taken in England said that 58% of English wanted to give it to them:)

I pay also for the Scottish welfare, so yes they can have their indipendance if they wish

I like Scots, I just don't want to pay for their pension.

Lot of anti-Scottish bigotry here.

Regards

Melmoth