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News & Features Discussion  » Forsaken World: Five Things Forsaken World Does Wrong

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4/26/11 1:28:49 PM#21

I must be stupid because I'm now DLing the client because of a "Worst List"!

Your first point got me interested. I LOVE to be overwhelmed when I first play a game. Just like RL when you first go out into the "Real World" it is very confusing with alot of paths and choices to make. I kinda like being able to forge my own path. So I'll check it out and see. RIFT has lost it's charm for me after 2 months, but that's not unusual for me.


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4/26/11 1:33:19 PM#22

Its really not confusing nor overwhelming. You click on a highlit name and it autopaths you there.  Rinse and repeat.


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4/26/11 1:42:03 PM#23

I think the pay to world chat is a great idea. Now my chatbox won't be filled with annoying spammers who should stick to whisper chats or goldbots spamming websites. I do believe that pvp buffs in shop are a bad idea though.


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stupid is as stupid does

4/26/11 1:50:57 PM#24

Axeshun is going heavy in this thread =D

I prefer MMOs where "skill" matters more then gear, be it bought or grinded gear. I dont have the time to compete with 24/7 muppets, but when gear is less focused on I certainly can compete being a long time pvper. That said, I have no idea how much these bought crystal affect your stats, and it doesnt say anywhere in the article afaik and yet William has no trouble bashing it. Weird.

Also some ppl seem to be totally caught up in the gear grind system of most MMOs these days. "If I put time in, I should by default be better then everyone who didnt". This statement is so not my favorite type of MMO.

There are way more enjoyable systems out there then grinding for gear, set up in tiers with gating etc... damn ppl, you dont know what you're missing.

I also dislike that alot of games separate gear into pvp gear and pve gear. There are ways to make gear that suits both sides ofc, its just another way to reward ppl for time put in. SIlly.


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RIP City of Heroes!

4/26/11 1:52:54 PM#25
Originally posted by bartoni33

I must be stupid because I'm now DLing the client because of a "Worst List"!

Your first point got me interested. I LOVE to be overwhelmed when I first play a game. Just like RL when you first go out into the "Real World" it is very confusing with alot of paths and choices to make. I kinda like being able to forge my own path. So I'll check it out and see. RIFT has lost it's charm for me after 2 months, but that's not unusual for me.

 I feel like the article is a jedi mind trick.  Overwhelmed with information sounds great to me. Pay to Chat is a super winner to me, although I now know at least one other game had that feature thanks to one poster.


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4/26/11 2:31:20 PM#26

Guess I can gladly skip that Title in my MMO-Experience.

There is literally nothing new. Not even one single feature like Rift's Rift-Events. Nada.


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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

4/26/11 2:34:36 PM#27

Originally posted by thamighty213

Pay to Chat is the best system ever introduced to F2P titles IMO.


Whilst of course those who are dedicated F2P players will hate it,  it is a godsend to those who do spend a little money and spend more time ignoring F2P players than they do actually playing.

Players are far less likeley to abuse people in chat etc if they have paid a little money for the privelage whereas a total F2P player will do and say what the heck they like as whats the worst that could happen - they lose a free account.


 that doesnt happen in PWE games, even with the pay to chat in world chat, every time i log in to PWI and FW theres always a bunch of idiots spamming nonsense crap for hours in world chat as much as a free to chat game does.... it sure controls gold seller but not other players from getting annoying


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stupid is as stupid does

4/26/11 2:40:24 PM#28

btw, the guy wielding a hammer in the 3rd pic looks abit like a Chaos Space Marine lol... if that's something they're aiming for art-wise I might be interested ;)


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Hai2u o/

4/26/11 2:46:07 PM#29

PWE makes pay to win games.. Thought everyone knew this.. If you're looking for fair pvp then look elsewhere.. They ruined Heroes Of The Three Kingdoms which had some of the best pvp elements and mechanics in place at launch, only to be ruined and cost real money months later.

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Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta


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4/26/11 2:56:19 PM#30

Items I can agree with:

Point of interest routing - if travel in the game is that boring, you've built a bad game.

Pay to Chat - Sort of agree, though I have been in this system and it does cut down on annoying people in world chat, so I'll go both ways on this one.

You must buy your respecs - I normally hate when there's anything in the cash shop (even fluff items) that you cannot earn any other way in game, so this is a big negative in my book.

PVP Buffs in Cash Shop - Even though I'm willing pay for these, it tends to be a much larger investment than a normal MMO sub might cost.  You mentioned 100.00, in Runes of Magic people routinely paid 400-600 US for decent gear, and rumor had it there were a few players who sank 8K US into their gear and they truely were in god-mode, I remember one mage that could easily fend off 6 decently geared level 50's....was just stupid and ultimately the reason why I left the game.  So this is a total deal breaker from where I stand and would never consider playing.




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4/26/11 3:09:49 PM#31

I played in CB2 - CB4 and all i can say it was fun til the CS came in. F2P = P2W 90.99 % of the time. Then ppl QQ about games that cost you $10-15 a month and you have to grind for gear. There is a no win in MMO's any more. PPL want to spend 2-3 hours get gear and lvl, then ppl pay $$$ to hit the WIN button in F2P games. I'll take my monthly fee game and just work with what i have. F2P games where they put the "Win" button in the CS = fail imo. Now if you can buy different zones added power sets like CO , DDO , ect then maybe its ok but still no way to make a MMO to make everyone happy

Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift

Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(


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End is not an "end" just the begining.

4/26/11 3:50:40 PM#32

A game with a monthy 9 - 15$ is cheaper than an Asian free to play game. Not just cheaper... better. My problems with Asian games:

-Ugly graphics

-Boring quest (kill 15x collect 25xy, etc..)

-0-24 farm or spend 100$ in the item mall

-Kiddish monsters and NPCs


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4/26/11 4:16:25 PM#33

An entire game doing all the things wrong... If you wanna trully enjoy game u must be f2p - force 2 pay...


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4/26/11 4:47:03 PM#34

The part about PvE not being competitive between players is dead wrong. A player's reputation and gear has a lot to do with whether or not they get into dungeon teams at all. Players who haven't shelled out extra money for upgrades risk alienation and exclusion from most heavily team-based PvE content. This content is a must-do for any mid-to-high leveled player who wants to get their hands on any gear at all.

Are you going to choose the tank with no cash shop upgrades over the one who has them all?

Of course not. In most cases that would be suicide and I'd bet my bottom dollar that the late-game content is designed so it's only possible to complete if you spend some money on upgrades.


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Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

4/26/11 5:27:09 PM#35

The autopilot thing puts me off. Meh, least it's F2P.


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4/26/11 5:47:58 PM#36

5 is not enough


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4/26/11 6:57:46 PM#37

I don't mind the pay to chat at all. As long as it's global. It's probably the best way to keep the spammer quiet.


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UH! Whats this lever do?

4/26/11 7:30:06 PM#38

Well, considering the fact that the game just ripped me of US$20 I'm somewhat biased. Put 500 leaf in the 'leaf exchange' for 95Gold, says it completed, transfered to 'in bag' hit the button, back to game, 95Gold no where to be found. If the support was anything like in 'Perfect World' game I can kiss that money goodbye. Other most major annoyance is 'World Chat' that you are FORCED to see all the dribble of people bickering and not have the option to close the window or otherwise block it.

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4/26/11 7:39:47 PM#39

Most of the observations given in the article are very understandable.  I can say that some of the cash shop points are likely quite shocking to the P2P player.  For example, the "pay to chat" at first glance seems like an obvious money grab. However, this is actually quite useful in making sure that chat is filled with mostly serious players.

F2P is a model that is here to stay and growing rapidly.  There aren't enough gaming dollars available to have multiple subscriptions.  


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4/26/11 7:52:36 PM#40

It's interesting.. I haven't ever taken a F2P as "srs bznis" enough to feel like I had to pay to compete, people get so upset about it but that is the way it is designed. When you pay 15 bucks a month to subscribe to that other game, you have a huge advantage over the guy who hasn't and that is the fact that you can actually play the game..

Money will give you an advantage in just about everything you experience in this society and that is why we work so hard for it..

The way they look at it (and a whole lotta other "entrepreneurs" out there) if you want it bad enough, you'll pay for it...

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