I dont think it has as much to do with that people require a lot more than the standard grind, farm and battleground MMO.

I played rift, and when I was done with it, I quit. Most MMO's I play nowadays i play for the experience. I'm far beyond the grind for equipment until you get bored and quit early ages of MMO'nes. The grind for equipment, raidpoints and raidrolls are in retrospective pointless and gave me naught. I can join a raid for the experience, but not much more. Since the standard MMO delivers very few world/player affecting opportunities, people quit when they've experienced most of the content. Most players I know are bored of killing x of y and deliver a to b at c.

Its more that Rift brings little new to the table for the longterm player.

Originally posted by tinuelle

Its more that Rift brings little new to the table for the longterm player.

 And what does a 'Longterm player' wants? More content... Which is exactly a repeat of what he did before but portrayed another way with leet rewards that basically have higher stats. I just don't understand that argument. This game is like 2 months old, perhaps 3... I think it will surprise you as far as what it will 'bring'.

People have stuck with WoW and it never really offered or brought anything new to the table except more (different) shinies. New quests, new raids, new stuff. Yet people, no, longterm gamers are still playing it. Cuz it's fun and their friends are playing and the community is just so damn cute.

As for the OP subject, I can't say for EU servers but US RP-PvE servers are hitting pretty big numbers these days! Yay!

Rift's dead. Some people are still playing because they're waiting for GW2 and SW:ToR, but pretty much nobody takes Rift seriously anymore. "Next-gen" didn't happen, only a bunch of empty promises and a legendary fail with that world event.

The world is tiny if compared to WoW+expansions. The setting is generic fantasy. The storyline is for 12 years old kids. All playable races look the same. Nothing ever happens in any zone except rfits/invasions and you get fed up with them very quickly. Dungeons and bosses are boring. Warfront maps are like... WTF?! Whoever made them, I hope he was fired. Class balance is nowhere to be found. Competitive PvP? Not even in the future plans.

Heck, the game doesn't even have API for addons.

Rift is one of the biggest disappointments we've seen in years. And we've seen many of those.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Rift's dead. Some people are still playing because they're waiting for GW2 and SW:ToR, but pretty much nobody takes Rift seriously anymore. "Next-gen" didn't happen, only a bunch of empty promises and a legendary fail with that world event.

The world is tiny if compared to WoW+expansions. The storyline is for 12 years old kids. Dungeons and bosses are boring. Warfront maps are like... WTF?! Whoever made them, I hope he was fired. Class balance is nowhere to be found. Competitive PvP? Not even in the future plans.

Heck, the game doesn't even have API for addons.

Rift is one of the biggest disappointments we've seen in years. And we've seen many of those.

i think with a name as 'WoWfan', any credibility or objectivity is pretty low to nonexistent. Or well, at least very questionable

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

i think with a name as 'WoWfan', any credibility or objectivity is pretty low to nonexistent. Or well, at least very questionable

Doesn't take a lot of credibility to point out shortcomings in Rift. They're not just obvious, they're glaring.

First you start to play a game that does what the last 10 mainstream MMO's did, create a horrible grind for gear at max level.

Then you start wondering why people get bored so fast after a few months.

All Rift will do, is introduce more gear, more dungeons, more dailies. Nothing that really will increase things to do like housing, world build events, castle defence, or all the other things that made UO, EQ and DAOC great games.

Stil, you keep buying the same kind of MMO next month/year, thereby emphasizing to the gaming industry that you support the next grind-for-epics single player online job.

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Rift's dead. Some people are still playing because they're waiting for GW2 and SW:ToR, but pretty much nobody takes Rift seriously anymore. "Next-gen" didn't happen, only a bunch of empty promises and a legendary fail with that world event.

The world is tiny if compared to WoW+expansions. The storyline is for 12 years old kids. Dungeons and bosses are boring. Warfront maps are like... WTF?! Whoever made them, I hope he was fired. Class balance is nowhere to be found. Competitive PvP? Not even in the future plans.

Heck, the game doesn't even have API for addons.

Rift is one of the biggest disappointments we've seen in years. And we've seen many of those.

i think with a name as 'WoWfan', any credibility or objectivity is pretty low to nonexistent. Or well, at least very questionable

 Agreed that wowfan is going overboard.rift is far from dead.But it does seems to be haemoraghing subs but nowhere near death bed.

have to agree that the dungeons encounters are lacking and the class balance at this point is one of the worst i seen in any mmo even WAR.

they promised class balance in patch 1.2 but tbh they should have done small hotfixes after patch 1.1 to show clients that they are acknowledging the problem rather then wait a month and then comment that there is indeed a need to redo balance again but it will have to wait for next patch.

Well I don't put much stock in xfire since if you use it (the only way they get play hours) you have to download it and run it along with whatever game you are playing so your computer can send data back to the server.  So the results do not display all the players, just a random (like who knows) amount.

it is a little interesting tho ... ant today it shows rift at number 2 on the mmo list.

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

Originally posted by Meugamer
Rift fell of top 10 on X fire already.

This reminds me of Aion. ~3 months after its worldwide release Aion was still in the XFire top 10 but signs of decline were there for those who had eyes to see. Still, fanboys were in total denial mode. Now, ~1.5 years later, Aion popularity outside of Korea is a joke.

Rift goes downhill much faster. I doubt it had more than 500k active subs initially. Now it's probably down to 250k or so. And let's not forget about people who bought 3-6 months long subs just because beta looked promising. How many of them are going to resub remains to be seen.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Meugamer
Rift fell of top 10 on X fire already.

This reminds me of Aion. ~3 months the after its worldwide release Aion was still in the XFire top 10 but signs of decline were there for those who had eyes to see. Still, fanboys were in total denial mode. Now, ~1.5 years later, Aion popularity outside of Korea is a joke.

Rift goes downhill much faster. I doubt it had more than 500k active subs initially. Now it's probably down to 250k or so. And let's not forget about people who bought 3-6 months long subs just because beta looked promising. How many of them are going to resub remains to be seen.

Aion still has like 20-25 active servers outside of Korea, NCSoft still makes bucketloads of money with it outside of Korea, and iirc for a solid year and a half, Aion has been in the top 10 rating of Xfire most of the time.

You might dislike it if other MMO's besides WoW are played or liked by MMO gamers, but that doesn't mean that other MMO's besides WoW can be fun or entertaining for other MMO gamers. Not everyone has the same taste as you in MMO games, you know.

And some people are not salivating at the prospect of seeing other games that aren't their favorite fail or do bad.

Personally, I think the MMO genre can use more entertaining, polished and high quality AAA MMO's, themepark and sandbox MMO's alike.

I would agree with some points.

I currently play on Scarhide.

After doing a search on Saturday, 5:30pm.

There was 16 lvl50's online, 26 under level 50's on Guardian side.

13 lvl50's online, 34 under level50's on Defiant side.

If you look at the shard statue it comes up that Scarhide is currently Medium.

So in 79 players = medium server, interesting.

You cant get a raid togeather, you rarely ever find a ground to do dungeons with.

Your best options are too Reroll "Which personally I will refuse too do as I'm not going to be forced into something that Trion could easily fix with a merge"

Or cancel your subscription and wish Trion the best, which I have.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Meugamer
Rift fell of top 10 on X fire already.

This reminds me of Aion. ~3 months the after its worldwide release Aion was still in the XFire top 10 but signs of decline were there for those who had eyes to see. Still, fanboys were in total denial mode. Now, ~1.5 years later, Aion popularity outside of Korea is a joke.

Rift goes downhill much faster. I doubt it had more than 500k active subs initially. Now it's probably down to 250k or so. And let's not forget about people who bought 3-6 months long subs just because beta looked promising. How many of them are going to resub remains to be seen.

Now about 1.5 years later Aion is still on spot no.13 on xfire (where even WoW droped down to second place by now), still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world (with several dozen server online in China, 13 in the West, 5 in Russia and over a dozen in Southeastasia (outside of Korea, where it has close to a Million player allone). Still hater and trolls are preaching doomsday about it and pretend they where right and spot on about ever overexaggerated claim of demise they created, that proved to be false for everyone who has eyes to see.

But the same will happen for Rift, even if Rift may balance out and not drop a single bit anymore.

Originally posted by Deadalon

There as been alot of talk lately about RIFT population sever instabilites.

Yeah there has - And the post on the Rift forums was closed stating just that (and pointing you towards 4 different threads with the exact same topic.)

Actually none of the 4 threads have been closed. The point of the OP was?

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Now about 1.5 years later Aion is still on spot no.13 on xfire (where even WoW droped down to second place by now), still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world (with several dozen server online in China, 13 in the West, 5 in Russia and over a dozen in Southeastasia (outside of Korea, where it has close to a Million player allone). Still hater and trolls are preaching doomsday about it and pretend they where right and spot on about ever overexaggerated claim of demise they created, that proved to be false for everyone who has eyes to see.

But the same will happen for Rift, even if Rift may balance out and not drop a single bit anymore.

Please show me where you found that information,  I had to go search hunting intensely with google translate driving me crazy to get only *some* of that info, so if you can show me how you found that so easily, it'd be appreciated, PM is ok too 

Also, if you can do that same trick for other MMO's, like for example the total server count of WoW or L2 or TERA, that'd be great too.

Originally posted by Manarix

 

Stil, you keep buying the same kind of MMO next month/year, thereby emphasizing to the gaming industry that you support the next grind-for-epics single player online job.

 this is so true...... thanks to this, mmos  have not been exciting and innovating anymore... always the same things but disguised a lil bit.....

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by Meugamer
Rift fell of top 10 on X fire already.

This reminds me of Aion. ~3 months the after its worldwide release Aion was still in the XFire top 10 but signs of decline were there for those who had eyes to see. Still, fanboys were in total denial mode. Now, ~1.5 years later, Aion popularity outside of Korea is a joke.

Rift goes downhill much faster. I doubt it had more than 500k active subs initially. Now it's probably down to 250k or so. And let's not forget about people who bought 3-6 months long subs just because beta looked promising. How many of them are going to resub remains to be seen.

Now about 1.5 years later Aion is still on spot no.13 on xfire (where even WoW droped down to second place by now), still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world (with several dozen server online in China, 13 in the West, 5 in Russia and over a dozen in Southeastasia (outside of Korea, where it has close to a Million player allone). Still hater and trolls are preaching doomsday about it and pretend they where right and spot on about ever overexaggerated claim of demise they created, that proved to be false for everyone who has eyes to see.

But the same will happen for Rift, even if Rift may balance out and not drop a single bit anymore.

 Well according to xfire that you all take so seriously (it is not a real statistic just those that have crossfire loaaded on their computers are countedf) shows wow as number 1 and aeon as number 14 and rift as number 11 ... this list includes all online games it appears, not just mmo's ... like number 2 is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare  (not an MMO I think)  StarCraft II  (which I know is not an mmo) is number 5,

the list: http://www.xfire.com/games/#   (Click the "rank" link on the header to order games by ranking.)

if you limit it to mmo's then the list  is here http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

(again Click the "rank" link on the header to order games by ranking.) The mmo rank numbers are from the list of all games on xfire.   but you can see the order of the lines and count down to your game to see where it ranks in the mmo's.

NOTE:  This is all crossfire's data (as of 22:15 EST) not mine.  I think xfire's numbers are bogus as many many gamers do not use crossfire (including me)

I was playing in whitefall today and it was very crowded.At  least for the starting zones.

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Aion still has like 20-25 active servers outside of Korea, NCSoft still makes bucketloads of money with it outside of Korea

Except it has nowhere near 25 total and only 9 english-speaking servers for EU/NA: http://aionstatus.com/

9 english-speaking servers is exactly what WAR had pre-1.4. Should we deem WAR a successful and popular MMO then? No? Then I suggest you stop twisting facts and spreading misinformation.

And speaking of "bucketloads of money" - where did you get this info?

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Originally posted by Sukiyaki

still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world

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Second in the world means nothing because they have strange tastes there in Asia. But third in the West? Laughable. :)

Originally posted by wowfan1996

Originally posted by MMO.Maverick

Aion still has like 20-25 active servers outside of Korea, NCSoft still makes bucketloads of money with it outside of Korea

Except it has nowhere near 25 total and only 9 english-speaking servers for EU/NA: http://aionstatus.com/

9 english-speaking servers is exactly what WAR had pre-1.4. Should we deem WAR a successful and popular MMO then? No? Then I suggest you stop twisting facts and spreading misinformation.

And speaking of "bucketloads of money" - where did you get this info?

Well, I'm going to quote Sukiyaki's post because his seems even more accurate:

Now about 1.5 years later Aion is still on spot no.13 on xfire (where even WoW droped down to second place by now), still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world (with several dozen server online in China, 13 in the West, 5 in Russia and over a dozen in Southeastasia (outside of Korea, where it has close to a Million player allone)

That's a hell of a lot more than what WAR has.

Their official financial reports have the financial figures for Aion's revenues.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

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Originally posted by Sukiyaki

 

still is the third most popular MMORPG in the West and second in the world

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Second in the world means nothing because they have strange tastes there in Asia. But third in the West? Laughable. :)

The narrowminded prejudice and bigotry is appalling and doesn't even deserve an answer.

On a sidenote, Blizzard takes their gamers in Asia seriously enough to include them in their figures, because without Asia/China, I'd gather their many times claimed subs figures would be a hell of a lot less, more like 5 million and less instead of  the vaunted 12 million.

But you only have to look at how well Aion is doing in the ranking in Xfire, and how much revenue they're generating to know that there's hardly any MMO that does better, despite how some people hate to have MMO's made in Asia to be that high on the list.

It's actually your comments, not his, that are bigoted and ignorant of all the facts.

edit: anyway, this is going far too offtopic, so I'm going to leave it at this. I suggest you do your research better next time instead of falling back on prejudices.