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  Ikisis

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2/02/11 8:09:46 PM#121

Why wasnt Xsyon on the list there is more Crafting then any of these games tbh.


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  sirrogue2

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2/02/11 8:20:26 PM#122

One crafting system I didnt see mentioned at all: The Matrix Online.  Damn near everything that you can loot in that game was also craftable except for the really rare or unique items.  And the crafting UI actually worked very well, too.

  odinsrath

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2/02/11 8:25:54 PM#123

what about eq?

  Sinclare

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2/02/11 8:27:34 PM#124

SWG a mere Scar?  If you took all the salt in the world/universe and had a gaping wound big enough to put it in then that would be how I feel about what they did to SWG.  I pour over reviews every year looking for someone to make something comparable but no, nothing, ever.  I've tried them but they just leave a hollow feeling. 

 

You would think, with as many people who pine over SWG crafting someone would copy pre-nge crafting.  AGH, have to quit thinking about it......just want to beat the crap out of whoever did that to the best MMO I've ever played.....

  User Deleted
2/02/11 8:40:35 PM#125

 

Another vote for Horizons/Istaria - easily on par with Eve Online in complexity and depth... It's a crafter's paradise where making things is just as important as beating stuff up, and the player housing (that you also have to craft) actually achieves something other than displaying trophies. :)

  Terranah

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2/02/11 8:46:17 PM#126

SWG had the best crafting of any mmo I've ever played.  Everything was very engrossing, like trying to find the best resources, storing them, selling them, learning how to experiment and craft better stuff, having your own vendors and stores.  It was really incredible.

  cwRiis

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2/02/11 8:51:37 PM#127

I've played and crafted extensively in all those games except Darkfall.   Before I weigh in I'd have to ask by what criteria do you determine "Top" crafting systems?

I find comparing any of those offerings against EVE's crafting system is like comparing an F-22 or Mig-23 aircraft to the Wright flyer.  They have similar form and like functions, but they are so vastly apart in complexity and capability that you shouldn't compare them except to say they are all significant in their own unique role.

Does "Top" mean easy, fun, quickly rewarding at many skill levels?  Does it mean the percentage of player population with well advanced crafting skills?  Does it mean the relative significance of the role player crafted items play in the game context?   I suspect if you applied each of those criteria seperaterly you'd find different rankings.

  Kruul

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2/02/11 9:08:59 PM#128

Very accurate listing. The only thing I would have added was SWG NGE as well. NGE is still light years ahead of most games.

  Ozmodan

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2/02/11 9:10:40 PM#129
Originally posted by darev
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by Erikmicheal

All true... but one thing needs to be of note... The crafting system of SWG today is THE SAME as it was 7 years ago. Its more geared the way you descibed today then in the past. For instance... back in the day crafters were less dependant on other crafters then they are now.

Absolutely NOT, not even close!  SOE has made large changes in the SWG crafting systems, namely removing deterioration from equipment. They have also added significant enhancement of equipment to the menu.  Don't make ridiculous comments on this forum unless you are aware of what you are talking about.

Good list by the way although I found the EQII crafting to be overly complex and not fun.  Ryzom and Istaria also have decent ones.   Funny the most fun I have had crafting was UO.   My equipment was always in high demand there.

 

 The core foundation of SWG's crafting system is the same.  Resource spawns/shifts/random stats, experimentation during crafting, factory schematics...those basic componets are the same.

Yes there have been changes to match the updates in the combat systems and overall game systems.  You mention, specifically, the loss of durability as part of the crafting process.  When they took item decay out of the game, the durability line became useless so it was removed.

Huh?  seems to me that decay and durabilitiy are exactly the same thing and no the core is not the same, you did not craft in pre-nge swg if you even think that.  Crafting was a major part of the game prior to nge, it became a secondary skill after NGE hence most crafters quit because nothing ever wore out anymore.   Even today there are few crafters, finding a crafting vendor is a real stretch any more.

  dazzy

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2/02/11 9:20:26 PM#130

Horizons (Istaria) IMO has the best crafting systems. Sure its a dated game but from day one the game is built around the crafting system.

 

  Quizzical

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2/02/11 9:30:37 PM#131

The only two games of those that I've played are Vanguard and PotBS.  Both had crafting systems that were decent but not great.  PotBS had crafting as nice side feature that you could spend a bit of time on every week, but not really something to build the game around.  Now, a nice side feature is far better than most crafting systems.

Vanguard had a crafting system that was really, really grindy.  There was exactly one crafting puzzle, and not that much depth to the system.  It was still a considerable upgrade over crafting systems that have all of the grind and none of the depth, as seems to be common.

That either Vanguard or PotBS would go on a list like this, and that some people are arguing that Vanguard should be higher on the list, is really just indicative of how awful crafting in most MMORPGs is.  Games that don't have crafting at all manage to have an above-average crafting system, because at least it's not a nuisance.

It's kind of like giving a game where the servers "only" crash once a week an award for exceptional server stability, on the basis that most of the competitors crash every day.

  Shadanwolf

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2/02/11 10:04:46 PM#132

First I want  to thank the author for the article.I love to read and talk about crafting in games(yes I have 5 crafters in Vanguard).I invite the author to listen to the comments here..and revisit the subject in 9-12 months.

  Raora

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2/02/11 10:09:14 PM#133
Originally posted by Kruul

Very accurate listing. The only thing I would have added was SWG NGE as well. NGE is still light years ahead of most games.

Crafting part maybe...but I'm not going to pay 15/month to craft with no one to buy my goods and nothing else to do.

  VengeSunsoar

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2/02/11 10:23:13 PM#134

You missed Istaria, easily one of the better (although Grindy) systems out there.  Dozens of different craft trades to learn, and for plots literally hundreds of different things to add to your plot from snowmen and plants, to shops, to houses.  Not to mention the hundreds of rooms and halls and murals and lairs to carve out of the mountains for dragon lairs.

Everything, litererally every good peice of armor, weapon, spell, cargo... peice in the game is player made.

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  Baiame

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2/02/11 10:24:25 PM#135

Solid picks.  Darkfall is great as well as Vanguard and Eve.  Spot on for #1, for sure. 

  Scorchien

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2/02/11 10:27:17 PM#136

Having experienced the crafting in allthose listed , and currently testing Xyson .. it may move rapidly up that list when it releases imo..

  benmou13

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2/02/11 10:55:17 PM#137

thats not true crafters were way more important pre nge than they ever were afterwards. CU and NGE brought minimum and maximum damage on weapons and armor and made super weapons and armor generic. Crafting those items cost hundreds of millions on my server and the day CU hit i got them turned into something i wouldnt of paid 10k for.

  Tukieu13

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2/02/11 11:13:54 PM#138

4 out of the 7 were SOE titles.

  Rhoklaw

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2/02/11 11:39:11 PM#139
Originally posted by Tukieu13

4 out of the 7 were SOE titles.

Interesting observation.

  GTwander

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2/02/11 11:43:16 PM#140

 

Lacks Ryzom, Wurm and ATitD. Three games that should be damn near at the top of the list, but obviously before SWG.

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