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1/25/11 9:23:32 AM#41
Buy now and enjoy F2P STO in a year from now! It's gonna happen.
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1/25/11 10:04:39 AM#42
Originally posted by sookster54 Of course anyone can come on here and give their opinion, it is an open forum afterall. But it is merely your opinon and doesnt mean diddly. This annoucement today is the clearest signal from Cryptic that STOL is not going F2P any time soon. If it were then they would not be selling and advertising Life Time subs, they would not do that then go F2P, thereby pissing off their player base. Of course this is my opinion and my interpretation of this announcement and yes I too could be wrong. Unless you have access to Cryptic's figures no one can say what they are going to do. Even if you did have access, you would need to know what they are thinking and their plans, not just for to day but for the future, they are not a charity afterall. Anyway why should they go free to play when they have one of the biggest IPs in history? Maybe they have decided to develop this game further and further, who knows. |
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1/25/11 10:33:44 AM#43
Originally posted by VultureSkull One word, LotRO. Going F2P and LTAs have nothing to do with each other in a Freemium model. |
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1/25/11 10:44:58 AM#44
Originally posted by VultureSkull Actually, to say that they won't go F2P because they are selling lifetimes is just plain wrong. They are selling CO lifetimes at the same time, and it is on the verge of releasing the F2P side. They keep saying that they don't have any immediate plans to take STO F2P, and I'll buy that. But I also think that STO will be F2P in the future; whether they are discussing it now or not. And keep in mind, I have a LT for STO and I enjoy the game. I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil |
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1/25/11 10:55:20 AM#45
I enjoyed sto but i dont have money to be at 3 mmos at the same time. Im currently in dc and wow and i dont have more money to spent for games.Simply because i have other interests as well. I think sto will find hard times when swtor releases in a few months. I like both sto and swtor but who doesnt wants to have an adventure with a new chick? |
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1/25/11 12:16:01 PM#46
Originally posted by WhiteLantern If the F2P model in CO results in a big financial gain like it did with Turbines DDO, then ofc they will go F2P with the "big" brother STO aswell, just like Turbine did with LotRO. Anything else would be just stupid, we are talking about a buisness here, not charity. And just like in LotRO there will be pros and cons, with all the pros being on the LTAs and subscribers side, and the cons being heaped on the microtransaction and F2P players. The big difference is the free cryptic points allowance, it will allow the former players to get stuff without paying for which they would have had to use their CC even in the old system. |
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1/25/11 1:28:30 PM#47
Um... they were selling lifetime subs for CO a year ago and I think they still are.
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1/25/11 11:29:28 PM#48
Originally posted by VultureSkull you do realise the sale starts about the same time champions goes free to play right? they are selling lts to a ftp game for 240$....ROFL... buyer beware! same goes for sto as most people beleive it will soon be free to play as well. IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME |
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1/26/11 6:53:09 AM#49
Originally posted by raistalin69 Yeah and I believe that the world is square, doesnt make it true though does it? Anyway there are different types of F2P models, like the EQ2 one which is very different to the LOTROL model. So even if it goes F2P the Lifer will not be shot out of the water if they are still promoting them now.
Find below the list of things that are being planned for STOL, it is not the same game as it was on release by a country mile (you can walk around your ship now, engineering etc for example) as with all MMOs. So contrary to the nay sayers STOL keeps bigger and better and there is no indication as of yet that it will change.
Also look at DCU Online, they are selling LifeTime Subs for a game that you can cap in 2- 3days, which is shorter than you could do on STOL on its release. It shows, that at the end of the day, Life Time Subs are for people that are intrinsically interested in an IP so going F2P has no really bearing on their desicion to do so, as long as there is a distinction between a Lifer and a F2P player, which, is definitely evident in the games that have gone F2P recently.
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1/26/11 10:39:28 AM#50
In Testing
WOW!!! so lets see...i can PAY 240$ for what in the near future?
- the ability to create missions for cryptic, after all who wants to play a game when they can work for cryptic filling out the woefully lacking content for them?
-2 ships and 2 uniforms which you can pay even more money for in the c-store
-"weekly" episodes that are not actually weekly and really are very little content
pass. like i said buyer beware!
but thanks for pointing out once again how little sto has to offer. i relly like the lengthy part about them essentially re-doing ground combat one year after launch! wonder what could have been if they had finished the game and not released it in a pre-beta state.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME |
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1/26/11 11:16:41 AM#51
Originally posted by raistalin69 You just don't get it or accept the fact to some that enjoy the game might take up the offer. The Foundry is popular. People love creating their own missions. They loved in COH and wanted it in DDO to create their own much like they did for NWN. Correct me if I am wrong but some series of the Star Trek universe were written by fans. I remember seeing that somewhere they would get 1000s of fan written stories for possible episodes. To a star trek fan that loves doing that this is perfect for them. I only wish there was a way to rate submissions. The weekly episodes are fun. From what I gather looking over the forums people enjoy them. I'm sure you can find some that say the opposite, but I think overall people enjoy them, I did. They have a good storyline and are fun to play. Content that's a matter of opinion. I was satisfied with them. .. .... .- - . - .-. --- .-.. .-.. ... .-- .... --- .-. . .--. --- .-. - .-.-.- -------------------------------------------------------- |
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AG-Vuk
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Joined: 7/26/04
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. |
If you really evaluate those engineering reports you'll see a great many things are repeated over and over again . They make them longer by adding things fluff, basically reskins . The last few months have been concentrating on the foundry , which i the basis of the NWN game Cryptic is making. Somethings will appear and then disappear , then reappear , mainly to excite the game followers. If you look at the in testing you'll notice that 4 of the 6 items listed are reskins . One item is a weekly episode that's been neglected for 2 or 3 months. Under Investigation = Bug hunting of things they've pretty well known about for a while, or recently created. In Development = mostly reskins to be added , although the ground combat update is a sorely needed item. Although I doubt Cryptic has the ability to make a decent ground combat envirnoment, we'll see ? In design discussion = gameplay fixes , weekly episodes and gasp , more reskins ! Long Term = things that should be in a MMO , but since we're Cryptic and don't really make MMO's we'll need to add . Although they are trying , albiet not very hard , since the games been out a year and they are considering making fleets actually mean something in the game. Oh, and for good measure more reskins. It always looks better when you initally read it ,then when you start to breakdown what's actually being done , huh ? One more thing , WHERE'S THE KLINGON CONTENT THEY'VE BEEN PROMISING, FOREVER ! Oh , that's right the foundry will take care of it, how silly of me.  |
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1/26/11 1:17:36 PM#53
Hey Folks, A few quick things:
Sevenwind, you can rate Player authored Episodes in the Foundry using a 5 star scale. You can also write a short review which will be published along with your rating for other players to see. Additionally, you all should know that The Foundry has it's own development team, and is quite separate from the STO dev team. Work on Star Trek Online has not slowed since we began work on The Foundry, and it will not.
Regarding the Engineering Reports:
These are our EPs way of making sure that our players are kept up to date with topics that matter to them, and shows what the development team is currently working on. It's not meant to be a complete picture, and just because something drops off the list one month and is back the next doesn't mean all work has stopped on that item, but it has likely slowed. For the best description, please feel free to read this post by Dan (STO's EP), which describes what an Engineering Report is. The only "reskins" currently listed on the report that I see are the Gorn Customization Options.
All the new ships are just that, brand new ships. Not all new ships go into the C-Store, and the vast majority that do can also be obtained through an in-game means. They all have new "skins" new stats, new bridge officer layouts, and some have new special abilities.
Regarding Klingon Content:
More is on the way. Each Featured Episode Series increases the amount of content available to the Klingons. More content specific to them will be coming as well, albeit slowly.
We realize the amount of content available to Klingons is a major flaw in our game, and are working to correct that. However, to be entirely honest, this is going to take a long time to be fixed. To use the Sapience scale of time, we're talking about, "At some point in the future." This doesn't mean that we're not committed to improving the Klingon Faction's level of content. Quite the opposite.
Thanks for your time,
Stormshade
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1/26/11 2:13:42 PM#54
long time stormshade? more than the the developement time (that was about 18 months?) and the year or so the game has been live? when is cryptic planning on fixing this "major failing" as you put it? in another 3 or 4 years?
and please let us know what ships have not gone into the c-store (that were not in game at launch), with a list of those that have. it would be an interesting comparison to see what cryptic has actually produced for the paying players (remember the people who payed for the game, and even more so the few that subscribe past the first 30 days). heres some help, ships that are in the c-store -guramba siege destroyer -nx class starship -b'rel bird of prey -klingon marauder cruiser -kar'fi battle cruiser -vor'cha battle cruiser -nebula class -excelsior class -exploration cruiser retrofit -science retrofit -tactical retrofit -dreadnought cruiser -constitution cruiser -comet class -nomad class -maelstrom class -nimbus class -hephaestus class -imperial class
hey, i guess your pr department is right there is tons of cusomization options in cryptic games.... if your willing to pay extra for things that should have been in a half finished game to begin with. look at all those re-skins that you have to pay extra for!
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME |
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AG-Vuk
Hard Core Member
Joined: 7/26/04
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. |
I will compliment the Engineering Reports as a valid and effective communicative tool. I will critique it for it's use as a method of agrandizing the items that are to be, only in the C-Store. Many of the items , I listed them as reskins , and you ( Stormshade) are correct they aren't technically speaking, they are however meant for the C-Store. This puts it in the category of fluff. There are many goals set that are needed and sorely desired, that's all fine and great . It doesn't diminish the fact that the majority of items listed are C-Store bound items . One cannot dispute that the Foundry currently is a major undertaking that Cryptic has deployed a great deal of manpower towards, as well as Cryptic's NWN version of a game . Hence the actual lack of content being produced for STO, season 3 was rather sparse. This is not to diminsh what is more then likely instore ( no pun intended ) for the 1 year anniversary or the future, but it's obvious the new game launch is a top priority. This is not actually a criticism , it's an acknowledgement of how important this is to Cryptic's plans. Respectfully , I really question the verasity of how the resources of Cryptic are deployed for this project ( STO ) when the Foundry will underpin three games , probably more. Also I highly doubt you would be able to, nor would publicly admit that manpower shifts would be occurring . It just doesn't make for good public relations , which is after all is what you really do. As for Klingon content , I'm sorry , but this is a tired song and dance Cryptic plays when they have nothing to say , or show. While technically you are adding to the Klingon content , you are correspondingly adding to the Federation content . So , while the Federation has it's own complete and separate orignal storylines the Klingons get , a disingenious statement , of " they are getting content ". People who are strong Klingon faction supporters probably aren't impressed, nor swayed by the statement. I'd say after having it parroted for just short of year , " It's gotten old " is an understatement. I appreciate you defending your company , I especially appreciate that I'm able to reply in a forum that is relatively neutral, to your posts . That said , I will continue to be a critic until I see vast improvements in the game. I understand that's your goal as a company ( impovement and maximizing profits ). I just doubt it's possible due to the design path chosen, but you're welcome to prove me wrong. |
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1/27/11 3:36:09 AM#56
WoW ...! I just went through the Engen reports and your right! Its all an illution as there are stacks of repeats. Also if you take the C-Store stuff into account its alot of stuff people will have to pay for again! Even if they buy a Life Time Sub.... wow ...Epic ruse! This personifies everything that the MMORPG market should not be! |
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1/27/11 9:13:58 AM#57
Stormshade I just want to say that I'm pleased to see you outside of the STO forums. Its better you come here than us having to visting the offical forums because its really difficult to communicate amoungst all the fans who push their agendas on everyone and unwilling to compromise on that. I hope we can provide you with better feedback than what you would from the STO forums. So far I've been really unhappy with the state of the product, its been so many months since beta and very little has changed gameplay wise- which has been poision for me to enjoy this game, because the core issue the game has is its too focused towards those damn Kill X Many Klingon Fleet missions, The foundry can fix this sure and I appreciate the effort going into it, but the initial tools I found were difficult to work with and significantly worse than tools for game engines we had 10 years ago- its not an easy editor to use, my recommendation would be to firstly make all the toolbars float and allow users to turn on and off what ever they do/don't need since atm it seems really cluttered- if all I'm wanting to do is position some characters on a map then just have the assets manager there, and the map.. the other stuff isn't needed on the screen until I need it. Some snap to options would be epic for positioning of objects- as I found it difficult to position them based on XYZ positions- it'd be nicer if the editor did all that for me. Asset management should be more graphical IMO and seeing it on the map should be more visual as well (at the moment we have a few icons that look nothing like what the model looks like, why not make it so that you can see the asset you used on the spot where you placed it?). Mission Scripting I found wasn't too bad, this was something I could do fairly well with little effort, but I think there's a need for there to be non-linear branches for missions- like multiple options that change the outcome of the mission, if we had more of a say towards how a mission progressed and had to make decisions (because atm we don't do any decision making, we just fire the same god damn weapons and ablitiies over and over which is boring tedious crap). I feel that would make the game significantly better, but I'm sure you've heard this before. At the moment all we have is boring Kill X many mob missions, some non-linearity would bring us a bit closer to a sandbox- and if you guys deliver on the territorial war we might actually get the sandbox game we all wanted at launch. (I mean christ, SFC 1 2 and 3 had this feature. People kind of expected this to be in the game to begin with since its been a huge part of Star Trek Roleplaying for decades.) Ulimately if you guys deliver on the things you initially promised, I can start to be more forgiving. But until then I'm forced to warn everyone not to play STO and not to buy a LTS because at the moment your product is unacceptable. If the game has to go free to play in order to support the games development so be it.. I just want to see that my investment into this product pays off. I hope your visits become somewhat regular as I feel many of us outside of the STO community don't have a voice. |
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AG-Vuk
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Joined: 7/26/04
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. |
I think with a graphically upgraded ten year old engine , the toolset is reflective of the engine. Also so is the linearity of the gameplay. If it's like that in game chances are really good it wouldn't be different in the Foundry toolsets. Sandbox games , if I recall one of the Cryptic's statements aren't their thing. So , I really wouldn't hold my breath for a sandbox envirnoment , unfortunately. I think the Foundry is an attempt, but Cryptic is just too afraid of lossing control of things. |
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1/28/11 7:28:57 AM#59
Care to rebuttle that Stormshade? In the end all I'm asking for is what was promised to us. |
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AG-Vuk
Hard Core Member
Joined: 7/26/04
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. |
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3311430&postcount=236
Branching dialogue is an attempt , not a good one , somethings can develop off that . Just shows you the issues witht the game. |
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