Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

Originally posted by MagicBubble

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha

 hmm, Update today is the first of the December updates and is merely adding new enemeies, new recipes, new Leves, enhancing the market ward more , adding a free retainer (doubling our inventory) and thats jsut what they told us about yesterday cos this little bit might have escaped your attention '

'For a complete list of changes, please see the comprehensive details posted on the day of the version update.'

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

The original teams are still in place, new teamleaders and producers bringing in a fresh insight into the game

Still no Subs to be paid, tbh I am getting great value outta my CE, I also dont see need to rush to max level etc and will merely bide my time while they sort out the game.

Originally posted by Obidom

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

They will probably have a fanfest for this sometime in February-March. January sounds too early.

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by MagicBubble

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha

 hmm, Update today is the first of the December updates and is merely adding new enemeies, new recipes, new Leves, enhancing the market ward more , adding a free retainer (doubling our inventory) and thats jsut what they told us about yesterday cos this little bit might have escaped your attention '

'For a complete list of changes, please see the comprehensive details posted on the day of the version update.'

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

The original teams are still in place, new teamleaders and producers bringing in a fresh insight into the game

Still no Subs to be paid, tbh I am getting great value outta my CE, I also dont see need to rush to max level etc and will merely bide my time while they sort out the game.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Obidom

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

They will probably have a fanfest for this sometime in February-March. January sounds too early.

i guess its perfect time for you to buy the game isn't it?

Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by MagicBubble

To those of you who are now getting your hopes up regarding the recent staff changes with FFXIV, here are some thoughs for your consideration:

Imagine the monster code that is FFXIV.   Now Imagine a  new person taking over that job as lead programmer.  Realistically, it will take months for the new person to reach a somewhat full understanding of a code that size, regardless of how familiar that person already is with the general engine.     

Thats just 1 single dimension of the entire puzzle that makes up the entire FFXIV team, but there are many more dimensions: Producer/Director,Lead Game Designer,Lead Combat System Designer,Technical Advisor,Lead Programmer,Senior Concept Artist,Lead Artist,Lead UI Designer/Lead Web Designer.  

In addition to their individual roles, they also have to communicate and interact with eachother, thus each person will require some small degree of understanding of what the others are doing - this is also very time consuming. 

My point is: It will take many months or even perhaps a year for the new core team to be "caught up" to where the old team has ended.  That said, one can not expect any significant changes to the game to happen until that "transition period" has occured. 

Now, if the new core team is any good, they will have reached the same conclusion that most of us (ex)-players have: everything is garbage except the graphics.  Essentially, the entire game (minus the graphics) needs to be redone.  This is so clearly true regardless of your degree of denial - even SE has admitted it by firing everyone of their FFXIV core team members and replacing them.   Just look at the evidence and be realistic. 

Given how long this will take, there is now also a very real possibility of the game being completely dead at that point and no interest remaining from us gamers. 

Most probably, this game is as good as dead.  Perhaps the new team will be able to "reincarnate" it into some more playable and enjoyable form, but that alone would take years to accomplish and it will probably be under a different title.

Good luck to all in your MMO journeys, they will most probably not be in FFXIV!

 

Sorry, but thats complete rubbish. Only the Producer and Lead Designers, Lead Programmer changed. The 'code monkeys' are still there. You really think they fire the whole team and bring in new people that have never worked with that engine? Even so, you think that their NEWEST ENGINE has no documentation at all...

Do you really think any of those people replaced wrote just a single line of code or know the code at all?  These are all management positions, lmao.

The Crystal Engine is the latest development. I bet most of the console developers know it and know how to use it. It was developed for FFXIII.

You have no clue, but as always you are entiteledd to your 'opinion'.

Well, nope he isnt tbh, not with me. he can talk rubbish all day to others if he insists on it, but I will tell him to shut up and not feel the slightest bit guilty that I am supposedly shutting down his 'rights'.

People with the 'right' to form an opinion are those people that have bothered to educate themselves on the subject and ideally have an objective view of the whole matter. Everyone else needs to sit down, shut up, and listen.

There is no genetic 'right' to an opinion, just in the same way everyone isnt 'special'. it's an invention of PC.

Originally posted by Paradoxy

i guess its perfect time for you to buy the game isn't it?

Might start my 4th character in March, yeah. Not that I'm in a hurry.

Originally posted by MagicBubble
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Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha - you must have extremely low standards at this point.

not the point, what im saying is that theres nothing to suggest that their going to and start from scratch and replace the whole design.

Originally posted by MagicBubble
Ji

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by MagicBubble

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha

 hmm, Update today is the first of the December updates and is merely adding new enemeies, new recipes, new Leves, enhancing the market ward more , adding a free retainer (doubling our inventory) and thats jsut what they told us about yesterday cos this little bit might have escaped your attention '

'For a complete list of changes, please see the comprehensive details posted on the day of the version update.'

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

The original teams are still in place, new teamleaders and producers bringing in a fresh insight into the game

Still no Subs to be paid, tbh I am getting great value outta my CE, I also dont see need to rush to max level etc and will merely bide my time while they sort out the game.

 

I read the list - none of those things sound like they will add any fun into the game. You do play video games to have fun right?- just checking. Its just basic functionality and more of the same.

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

Originally posted by Obidom

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

 

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

Why do you think game has no monthly sub and lost majority of its player base? 'i am sure because they all went to greener pastures to look for 'fun factor'.

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by MagicBubble
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Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha - you must have extremely low standards at this point.

not the point, what im saying is that theres nothing to suggest that their going to and start from scratch and replace the whole design.

Yes, replacing the entire core team is no indication that they are trying to "redirect" the game towards being fun. /sarcasm off

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Obidom

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

 

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

Why do you think game has no monthly sub and lost majority of its player base? 'i am sure because they all went to greener pastures to look for 'fun factor'.

 Sources indicating Lost Playerbase?

and i like how you edited the F2P outta the statement again before I could chastise you :( Spoiling Mah Fun :)

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by MagicBubble
Ji

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by MagicBubble

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha

 hmm, Update today is the first of the December updates and is merely adding new enemeies, new recipes, new Leves, enhancing the market ward more , adding a free retainer (doubling our inventory) and thats jsut what they told us about yesterday cos this little bit might have escaped your attention '

'For a complete list of changes, please see the comprehensive details posted on the day of the version update.'

Then we get another update in december, there are most likely that last of the update from the old producer etc and were pretty much ready to go, I then anticipate a 'State of the game' letter again in January to let us know where the new producer sees the game as going.

The original teams are still in place, new teamleaders and producers bringing in a fresh insight into the game

Still no Subs to be paid, tbh I am getting great value outta my CE, I also dont see need to rush to max level etc and will merely bide my time while they sort out the game.

 

I read the list - none of those things sound like they will add any fun into the game. You do play video games to have fun right?- just checking. Its just basic functionality and more of the same.

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

 

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

I dont play it anymore because its not fun, however I do logon occasionally to see how the game has not progressed. Indeed,  I have many other fun games to play , and I do play them.

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Obidom

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

 

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

Why do you think game has no monthly sub and lost majority of its player base? 'i am sure because they all went to greener pastures to look for 'fun factor'.

 Sources indicating Lost Playerbase?

and i like how you edited the F2P outta the statement again before I could chastise you :( Spoiling Mah Fun :)

Really? under what rock are you living for all this time? are you telling me game has not lost half of its player base? wow..so according to you there are 200K or more active players right now?

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Really? under what rock are you living for all this time? are you telling me game has not lost half of its player base? wow..so according to you there are 200K or more active players right now?

There were around 100k just before the Nov. Patch. After that nobody knows.

Originally posted by Obidom

 Sources indicating Lost Playerbase?

and i like how you edited the F2P outta the statement again before I could chastise you :( Spoiling Mah Fun :)

Please now. FFXIV sold around 400K+ boxes. If it hasn't lost majority of players then population should be around 300K right? my friend.... a game with that many players does not go free on monthly basis or replaces its lead designer.

I would be very generous if i say game has 100K+ active player base at the moment. That was the estimated number done on FFXIV core before SE took the option to check server population through party window.

Originally posted by MagicBubble

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by MagicBubble
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Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

The problems of FF XIV do not lie in it's "code". It's the gamedesign that needs to be replaced. Yes i said, "replaced" because a few tweaks won't cut it. I predicted it months ago and it seems to happen now: They pretty much have to start from scratch and they know it. Firing the whole team responsible is the final proof. 

Well seeing as how the game is still online and being updated today (literraly today, todays the dec version update) without any of this "starting from scratch" stuff tells me that they aren't doing that at all.

And the whole team was not fired, the original director was demoted to LEAD GAME DESIGNER.

 

yes, enjoy all of the fun new "content"...hahaha - you must have extremely low standards at this point.

not the point, what im saying is that theres nothing to suggest that their going to and start from scratch and replace the whole design.

Yes, replacing the entire core team is no indication that they are trying to "redirect" the game towards being fun. /sarcasm off

Thats a myth, how can you say the repalced the entire core team when the new Lead Game designer is one of the guys from that very core old team that was allegedly "replaced"? that statement is a lie.

Originally posted by MagicBubble

 Did I even say anything at all about code documentation? No, I didnt, what are you rambling on about? Try to think clearly and make some reasonable points.  Clearly there is more to all of this than programming, stop obsessing over 1 single example.

Anyone with experience and some common sense knows its a large time investment to come in and take over an entire project that has MANY different elements, not only programming.  Regarless of the degree of diffuculty, its simply a very time consuming task getting yourself familiar with what is going on and learning all the important details involved.

So please dont tell me that I have no clue, I was simply proposing some thoughts for your consideration - it was not my intent to make your head spin off your shoulders, however amusing. 

  

SE has already achieved the hardest part of piecing together a piece of working software.   I would agree with your assessment if the game was still in early development, but it is not.  The game just needs a few missing elements and tweaks to it's existing game mechanics.  However, if you believe that this should be wow with a final fantasy theme, then I guess it would look like a monumental task.

Originally posted by hehey

Thats a myth, how can you say the repalced the entire core team when the new Lead Game designer is one of the guys on the old team? that statement is a lie.

Director/Producer = new guy.

Co-Director = ex-character animation director

Lead Game Designer = ex-director, his job didn't change much if at all.

Lead Programmer = worked on both XI and XIV from 2005 to 2010 while continuing on XI mainly for 3 months before the switch.

Lead Artist = ex-FFXI artist

Lead UI designer, technical advisor and producer/director are the only completely new personnel in the team, however all have directed other games in the past.

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Obidom

 Yup, I play games to have fun, and guess what *SHOCK HORROR* I actually, you know, have fun in this game!!

 

i know whowuddathunkit!!

It seems that either you dont have fun, or you just dont play?

If you dont have fun then mayhap its worth looking for another game to get your 'Fun factor' from?

Why do you think game has no monthly sub and lost majority of its player base? 'i am sure because they all went to greener pastures to look for 'fun factor'.

 Sources indicating Lost Playerbase?

and i like how you edited the F2P outta the statement again before I could chastise you :( Spoiling Mah Fun :)

Really? under what rock are you living for all this time? are you telling me game has not lost half of its player base? wow..so according to you there are 200K or more active players right now?

 as a 34 year old gamer, who works 40 hours a week while living with my partner, i dont actually spend a massive amount of time playing the game, i log on at weekends (when partner is at work and I ahve time) and then run a load of leves, do some behests at camps and then do some crafting etc)

I dont belong in a LS, have no problem getting PUG to run levels etc so cant say I have noticed a drop in  population